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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 4:17:55 GMT -5
If typical CEOs continually lie, cheat and commit fraud, don’t report their taxes, cheat on their spouses, bribe others to be quiet, throw their so called allies under the bus, are racists, mysogynists and paranoid, then yes, inger. 😎
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 4:18:39 GMT -5
Of course, inger, you may be correct. You’ve met more ceos than me.
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Post by domeplease on Sept 5, 2018 9:57:55 GMT -5
If typical CEOs continually lie, cheat and commit fraud, don’t report their taxes, cheat on their spouses, bribe others to be quiet, throw their so called allies under the bus, are racists, mysogynists and paranoid, then yes, inger. 😎 CHUCKBLADE: Couldn't have SAID it better. BRAVO for speaking: THE TRUTH, THE FACTS & REALITY = All three so sadly lacking in Today's America.
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Post by inger on Sept 5, 2018 10:24:55 GMT -5
If typical CEOs continually lie, cheat and commit fraud, don’t report their taxes, cheat on their spouses, bribe others to be quiet, throw their so called allies under the bus, are racists, mysogynists and paranoid, then yes, inger. 😎 I'm not particularly supportive of, nor dismissive of Trump. At the last moment I decided not to vote in the last election due to illness. I had a particular distaste for Hilary Clinton as a candidate, so had I voted I would have simply added to the margin by which Trump won my home state of MD. I was a bit surprised that he pulled off the victory, to be honest. His strategy was brilliant. The one thing I liked about his victory was that to me it seemed to be a wake up call to life long politicians that simply keep their name in front of people and get re-elected while the people continue to be unhappy with their government. I think Trump's character was quite well known when he was running, but it didn't stop the voters from voting for an alternative candidate. The statement was clear. We need change. We want change. Sometimes, you get what you want, and then you don't want it. It seems no matter who has that horrid job in America, the buzzards of the press will always have their "inside sources" that are revealing the darkest secrets of the office. Frankly, I'm just tired of the way it is. Most of the faults that you've listed for Trump have existed in just about every president we've ever had if you dig deep enough. It seems to be almost a prerequisite of the job. You can't get there if you walk in a straight line. Some of the charges against Trump will prove to be overblown. Some of the past Presidents got away with the same sins because our press didn't report those sort of things before the days of TV, and then the deadly internet... Cheers! I'm going to go back down my rabbit hole now. Shhh. Be vewy quiet. I'm hunting wabbits...What's up doc?...
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Post by domeplease on Sept 5, 2018 11:40:02 GMT -5
IT ONLY GETS WORSE FOR DONALD (STOP LAUGHING TEQUILA; I have told you before it is not Polite to LAUGH at Idiots that are Serial Compulsive Liars who are also Incompetent, Bullies, Racist, Bigots, etc.; but you can GIGGLE). --09-05-18: www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-real-reason-bob-woodwards-book-is-so-damaging-for-trump/ar-BBMSN4T?li=BBnb7Kz But what's truly worrisome for President Trump and his administration is that the portrait Woodward paints of a chaotic, dysfunctional, ill-prepared White House is all strangely familiar. It's the same vision of the White House that Michael Wolff wrote way back in January in "Fire and Fury." It's the same picture that Omarosa Manigault-Newman constructed in her memoir of her year in the White House.
It's the same story that White House reporters at CNN, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal and virtually every other mainstream media outlet has told of the Trump White House.
Sure, Omarosa could be a disgruntled former aide trying to make money while exacting revenge on her enemies. Sure, Michael Wolff could have been misled by a few sources with scores to settle with Trump. Sure, reporters could get a detail or two wrong. Sure, Woodward could have cast a scene or two in ways that are less than favorable to Trump.
But how could all -- and I mean all -- of the reporting on this White House reach a striking similar conclusion? The portraits of Trump drawn by Wolff, Omarosa and Woodward are all eerily similar to one another -- a man hopelessly out of his depth in the job, but entirely incapable of understanding how desperately out of depth he actually is.
A man motivated almost entirely by personal grievance. A man willing to humiliate people who work for him, to play staffers against one another, to scapegoat underlings to keep blame off of himself.
Someone who has so much self-belief that he rarely adequately prepares for situations involving international diplomacy and national security. Top aides who view that their jobs are primarily keeping Trump from causing serious harm, and grousing every step of the way about the man.
And now Bob Woodward -- without question the preeminent political reporter and chronicler of the White House in the last four decades -- has written a book that confirms every bit of the portrayals we've seen about who Trump is, who he surrounds himself and how he conducts his business.
The consistency in those storylines is virtually impossible to explain in any other way than this: It's true. To believe otherwise, you have to convince yourself that not only the entire daily media but also the likes of Wolff and Woodward all got together and agreed on how to portray Trump across tweets, stories and books. Which is, of course, beyond ridiculous.
--09-05-18: www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/michael-moore-plays-his-trump-card-a-new-movie-modern-fascism-and-a-2020-prediction/ar-BBMUdTw?li=BBnbfcL This time out, as Moore, 64, readies his newest documentary, Fahrenheit 11/9, which will kick off the Toronto International Film Festival on Sept. 6, he's not holding back.
"Trump is our Frankenstein and we are Dr. Frankenstein," he declares. "We have helped to create a situation that has allowed us to end up with Trump.
The dumbing down of our society through the media, the lack of education through poor schools, allows for a dumbed-down electorate, and for him to be able to actually get 63 million votes." In the opening moments of his new film, as the comedy curdles into horror, Moore asks bluntly, "How the f--- did this happen?"
Fahrenheit 11/9 — its title reworks that of his biggest hit by referencing the actual date when the 2016 election was called, in the early morning hours — may start with Trump, but it then ranges across a larger panorama, from the Flint, Michigan, water crisis to the growing resistance movement as exemplified by the striking West Virginia school teachers and the Parkland, Florida, students who organized the March for Our Lives in Washington.
"If people think this is Michael Moore's Trump film and that they're going to get two hours of Trump, Trump, Trump, I'm sorry but I'm not going to give you a simplistic film like that," Moore says. "Yes, I will show you some stuff about Trump that you haven't seen, but if you're coming to see the pee tape, you're going to the wrong movie."
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Post by sierchio on Sept 5, 2018 13:51:28 GMT -5
I was gonna touch the Trump thing... but I'm staying far away from it... Let's just say I don't love the guy... but you can't ignore the good things he's doing... and you have to wonder why there's such a witch hunt after him... HINT- it has nothing to do with his politics or his character...
That's all I got to say about that... With politics don't take anything at face value...
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Post by sierchio on Sept 5, 2018 14:00:11 GMT -5
And DoMe... do yourself a favor and start reading more opposing views... you can't just read one side of the issue that you agree with all the time. I could be wrong, but judging by what you post, it seems like you do. And you tend to believe it without seeing the other side, without researching the other side... and that concludes my politics posts for the day
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Post by domeplease on Sept 5, 2018 16:55:29 GMT -5
And DoMe... do yourself a favor and start reading more opposing views... you can't just read one side of the issue that you agree with all the time. I could be wrong, but judging by what you post, it seems like you do. And you tend to believe it without seeing the other side, without researching the other side... and that concludes my politics posts for the day Dear Sierchio: I read anywhere from 4-7 hours per day, both paper, but mostly Digital. I also subscribe to Right-Wing Newsletter and watch Right-Wing Media Shows.
The problem I have with posting Viewpoints/Articles from the Right Wing, is that: They LIE, they use information from apparently another Universe, they lie, they miss-state facts (that are truly not facts), they lie, they use partial facts, they lie, they use half-truths, they lie, etc. etc. etc.
Try this simple exercise: Watch Right Wing Media with your computer/smart phone handy. As they speak Google what they or their Guests said. You might be surprise???!!!
Plus when ONE cuts thru all their LIES & BS what is truly left, is their Social Agenda:
1. They want to BAN ALL Same Sex Marriages 2. The want to Ban ALL Abortions even if Women was raped, incest or her life is in danger if she gives Birth. 3. They want MORE guns & want everyone to be able buy a Silencer for their GUNS. 4. They want Total Religious Freedom so that they can refuse service to Muslims, Gays, Blacks, Hispanics/Latinos and anyone different than them or who has different beliefs, etc. 5. They want to make America WHITE AGAIN. 6. They still want to investigate Hillary & throw her in jail (Lock Her Up...). 7. They want to put in place as many extreme right wing Judges as they can, that will support & uphold their Dark Age Social Agenda. 8. They want even more Tax Cuts for the Rich & Corporations 9. They want even more $$$ for our Military (Wart Mongers) 10.They want better schools for Whites and who cares about the others (minorities)
They know that Donald is a Looney Tune but they are complicit in keeping him in office for two reasons = So they can push thru their Dark Age Social Agenda and for them as individuals to try to remain in power for as long as possible (screw the citizens, screw America for it is 'Their Way or No Way...').
Their articles, publications and media channels are there for the following reasons:
1. To cause their extreme followers to FEAR everything & anyone different (Fear-Talkers = They Are Coming To Take Your Guns, etc. etc. etc.) 2. For a good LAUGH for us EDUCATED ONES...so many times I have doubled-up from LAUGHING at what they report, while saying: How could ANYONE believe this Crap and LIES???!!! I want to thank them ALL for the laughs. For there is nothing better than a good laugh; well...
So, that is WHY I use WP, NEW YORK TIMES, BLOOMBERG, NBC, CBS, CNBC, ABC, 60-MINUTES, WALL ST. JOURNAL, LA TIMES, MSN, ETC. ETC. ETC. as my sources that I also FACT CHECK. When they make an error, they immediately come out with a rebuttal (We are sorry...)
So Sir, PLEASE stop walking around your casa mumbling "They are Coming to TAKE MY GUNS, Etc." That is NOT THE TRUTH or Anywhere near the truth.
Now mind you, I do have many issues with the Liberals too.
I am NOT a Democrat, and for Sure now-days, not a Republican. Instead I am for what is best for ALL CITIZENS & AMERICA.
Believe it or not, I voted for Reagan on his first run for President and most likely would have voted for McCain...but he chose that Crazy Palin as his running Mate.
I am a Futurist that wants to Vault ALL of America into the FUTURE, where all Citizens are treated Equality and All Have Equal Freedoms.
I FEAR Donald for the damage he can do to the World, Global Economy, America, Nature & All the Citizens of the World.
MY GOD SIR, Donald has average over 7 lies per-day since taking office...
How can anyone support and/or defend a Serial Compulsive Liar???
The Defense Rests, for now...
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Post by domeplease on Sept 5, 2018 17:08:16 GMT -5
THE LATEST ON THE INCOMPENTENT SERIAL COMPUSLIVE LIAR= DONALD. I am afraid Donald MIGHT, JUST MIGHT, DO SOMETHING REAL, REAL STUPID to try and Distract/Distort the Public from all of his rapidly brewing legal issues, etc. etc. etc.
09-05-18: www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/i-am-part-of-the-resistance-inside-the-trump-administration/ar-BBMVtbs?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U147DHP
Editor’s note: The opinions in this article are the author’s, as published by our content partner, and do not necessarily represent the views of MSN or Microsoft.
The Times today is taking the rare step of publishing an anonymous Op-Ed essay. We have done so at the request of the author, a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us and whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure. We believe publishing this essay anonymously is the only way to deliver an important perspective to our readers. We invite you to submit a question about the essay or our vetting process here. ______
President Trump is facing a test to his presidency unlike any faced by a modern American leader.
It’s not just that the special counsel looms large. Or that the country is bitterly divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership. Or even that his party might well lose the House to an opposition hellbent on his downfall.
The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.
I would know. I am one of them.
To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous.
But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.
That is why many Trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office.
The root of the problem is the president’s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making.
Although he was elected as a Republican, the president shows little affinity for ideals long espoused by conservatives: free minds, free markets and free people. At best, he has invoked these ideals in scripted settings. At worst, he has attacked them outright.
In addition to his mass-marketing of the notion that the press is the “enemy of the people,” President Trump’s impulses are generally anti-trade and anti-democratic.
Don’t get me wrong. There are bright spots that the near-ceaseless negative coverage of the administration fails to capture: effective deregulation, historic tax reform, a more robust military and more.
But these successes have come despite — not because of — the president’s leadership style, which is impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective.
From the White House to executive branch departments and agencies, senior officials will privately admit their daily disbelief at the commander in chief’s comments and actions. Most are working to insulate their operations from his whims.
Meetings with him veer off topic and off the rails, he engages in repetitive rants, and his impulsiveness results in half-baked, ill-informed and occasionally reckless decisions that have to be walked back.
“There is literally no telling whether he might change his mind from one minute to the next,” a top official complained to me recently, exasperated by an Oval Office meeting at which the president flip-flopped on a major policy decision he’d made only a week earlier.
The erratic behavior would be more concerning if it weren’t for unsung heroes in and around the White House. Some of his aides have been cast as villains by the media. But in private, they have gone to great lengths to keep bad decisions contained to the West Wing, though they are clearly not always successful.
It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that there are adults in the room. We fully recognize what is happening. And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t.
The result is a two-track presidency.
Take foreign policy: In public and in private, President Trump shows a preference for autocrats and dictators, such as President Vladimir Putin of Russia and North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, and displays little genuine appreciation for the ties that bind us to allied, like-minded nations.
Astute observers have noted, though, that the rest of the administration is operating on another track, one where countries like Russia are called out for meddling and punished accordingly, and where allies around the world are engaged as peers rather than ridiculed as rivals.
On Russia, for instance, the president was reluctant to expel so many of Mr. Putin’s spies as punishment for the poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain. He complained for weeks about senior staff members letting him get boxed into further confrontation with Russia, and he expressed frustration that the United States continued to impose sanctions on the country for its malign behavior. But his national security team knew better — such actions had to be taken, to hold Moscow accountable.
This isn’t the work of the so-called deep state. It’s the work of the steady state.
Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over.
The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump has done to the presidency but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us. We have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility.
Senator John McCain put it best in his farewell letter. All Americans should heed his words and break free of the tribalism trap, with the high aim of uniting through our shared values and love of this great nation.
We may no longer have Senator McCain. But we will always have his example — a lodestar for restoring honor to public life and our national dialogue. Mr. Trump may fear such honorable men, but we should revere them.
There is a quiet resistance within the administration of people choosing to put country first. But the real difference will be made by everyday citizens rising above politics, reaching across the aisle and resolving to shed the labels in favor of a single one: Americans.
The writer is a senior official in the Trump administration.
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Post by inger on Sept 5, 2018 17:28:59 GMT -5
I am so grateful for this thread. While I have moments of both agreement and disagreement it’s important that we all get to read (or ignore) so much of this “side” of the story.
We never should want to “oversteer” in either direction. As when we’re in a car, oversteering can also make our government go into a slide and crash...
I’m also happy that all of this can be said on this site without interrupting our real entertainment, which is baseball. It can either be read and responded to or ignored if that is the forum reader’s choice.
Sometimes my mindset will allow me to read these rants. Sometimes I just don’t feel like “knowing” any more than I already know. I refuse to obsess over these issues. Maybe that’s what keeps me from skidding off the rails...or at the least crossing the center line on blind curves...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 18:55:00 GMT -5
Again, I’m not a Democrat. Proudly independent for years. I’ve voted both ways. This is a unique situation in time. I feel that a criminal is sitting in the WH and because of his political views, people tolerate him. I look st him the same way I’d look at Al Capone if he were president. My views on issues are very moderate in the main stream, but now moderates or Ronald Reagan types are considered liberals or worse. Strange times when curious people like Alex Jones are quoted by the WH to make points. The dude will never abide to that kind of garbage.
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Post by utahyank on Sept 5, 2018 20:40:51 GMT -5
Again, I’m not a Democrat. Proudly independent for years. I’ve voted both ways. This is a unique situation in time. I feel that a criminal is sitting in the WH and because of his political views, people tolerate him. I look st him the same way I’d look at Al Capone if he were president. My views on issues are very moderate in the main stream, but now moderates or Ronald Reagan types are considered liberals or worse. Strange times when curious people like Alex Jones are quoted by the WH to make points. The dude will never abide to that kind of garbage. all very well....and the constitutional way is to change government at the ballot box...and after the election, accept the will of the people, even if you feel strongly for the other party....become a party that proposes alternative solutions and mediates...…..instead, even though the people spoke through the ballot box loud and clear, the losers have not been able to accept it, and have become the party of NO....without any coherent message except whatever the administration tries to do...they oppose....and oppose...and oppose that too....
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Post by inger on Sept 5, 2018 20:58:27 GMT -5
Ahh, politics is only about poisoning the opponent anymore anyway. Had Trump lost his faction would still be witch-hunting the Clinton’s as hard as they were before the election.
They used to call it muckraking and mudslinging...now it’s just business as usual...
If even half of the negative things I’ve read about Hill and Bill are true, they’d make any easy target...And we already know about a quarter of it was true from past experience.
Frankly I don’t care who the President puts his pee-pee in...neither Bill, nor Donald, nor JFK nor Tom Jefferson...That one is getting boring...
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 5, 2018 21:26:16 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Sept 5, 2018 21:49:51 GMT -5
Wonderful monologue that shows the true brilliance of Carlin. He was so much more than a comedian. In reality this should completely shut the thread down, for the truth has now been spoken. I thought about the job I walked away from some seven months ago when listening to the later part of this. I also thought about my doctor visit today, and how although my eating habits have been very wrong my A1C had still dropped, and how stress raises blood sugar. Is the American Dream still alive? Perhaps if (when) I prove that I didn’t need those jerks to make a living, then perhaps it is...for me...But what about the rest of America that perhaps can’t figure out where the escape hatch is for them?.. I still worry for myself, and I still worry for the rest of my countrymen. I worry most of all because I can’t do a damned thing except to vote for figurehead rulers...
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