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Post by inger on Oct 27, 2018 12:45:51 GMT -5
That's actually my intention, because hit's tend to move runners along more than one base at a time. I feel they have more value than walks, though walks are still valuable as well...To me, the key is having runners on base WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS, and SOMETHING is generally going to be a hit of some sort...I don't necessarily think this is a truly accurate measurement of performance, but neither is our current OPS, which I believe may be overvaluing power. By adding the extra value for hits the weighting for power is diluted in the formula...and again, not to completely dismiss the value of power, for it is important... BTW, Sheldon Cooper said to send you his love... I won't go into it in detail, because it is pretty clear there isn't interest, but this has been studied extensively. OBP correlates the best to runs scored because it is the literal definition of not making an out and also includes hits, which you're describing. After that, almost equal to OBP is SLG which of course also accounts for hits. The events beyond those statistics are hits/avg, then HRs (obviously also a hit), then walks. So, if the point is that a walk is not as good as a hit, OPS already accounts for that - hits are in both elements of OPS already. Back when I had more time for this stuff, I read up on this quite a bit, because I like this kind of thing. OPS isn't perfect, there are other measurements which are slightly better indications of a team's ability to score runs but all of those are much harder to calculate and the improvement in correlation is very small. Oh, there is interest. I’m just looking for a way to further promote hitting the baseball, making contact...Perhaps I’m going about it the wrong way, but I would like to promote more hits vs. more walks in any way I can... I believe baseball people are beginning to notice it now. After “Money Ball” outed OBP as under-valued, and it was, it has now become slightly over-valued (notice I said slightly). We need to get back to having more contact with the baseball!!! |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 27, 2018 13:31:29 GMT -5
Elvodia is really starting to piss me off. I’m sure they had their reasons but this one looks like a clear miss for Cashman. Happ had better numbers in regular season as a Yankee than Elvodia did as a Red Sox but Nate has really stepped up in the post season. Both guys are going to get paid in off season. |
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Post by kaybli on Oct 27, 2018 13:37:23 GMT -5
Inger is on a crusade to bring batting average back. 
Other things Inger is trying to bring back: -Disco -Floppy Discs -Bell Bottom Pants -Blockbuster Video Stores -Phone Sex Hotlines -Boomboxes -The Macarena -Rotary Phones -8 tracks -Phone Books -VCRs |
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Post by inger on Oct 27, 2018 13:50:01 GMT -5
Inger is on a crusade to bring batting average back. [img alt=" " src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/MGJDDHsrMXMaKUaTXDWm.gif" class="smile"]
Other things Inger is trying to bring back: -Disco -Floppy Discs -Bell Bottom Pants -Blockbuster Video Stores -Phone Sex Hotlines -Boomboxes -The Macarena -Rotary Phones -8 tracks -Phone Books -VCRs Bring 'em back...I still have them all, including the Macarena moves...That's why I stay married...(and don't worry, Ruth and I both have cell phones, I only call her)... When am I gonna take control get a hold of my emotions Why does it only seem to hit me in the middle of the night You told me there's a number I can always dial for assistance I don't want to deal with outside action Only you can give me satisfaction |
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Post by inger on Oct 27, 2018 14:10:08 GMT -5
I’m sure they had their reasons but this one looks like a clear miss for Cashman. Happ had better numbers in regular season as a Yankee than Elvodia did as a Red Sox but Nate has really stepped up in the post season. Both guys are going to get paid in off season. So, just for snits and giggles... I looked up the top ten most similar pitchers to Happ by age... #1 on the list was Mark Portugal. He was really never as good as Happ, and he pitched horribly for one more season beyond age 35. #2 was Al Leiter, who had three more very solid seasons as a starting pitcher, during which he went 38-30 with fine 117+ ERA and made 30 starts or more each season... #3 was Tom Browning, who had been cooked for several seasons at that point and did not pitch beyond 35 #4 was Jamie Moyer, who really was just hitting his stride at 35. For the next five seasons he was a very good pitcher, going 81-39 with a fine 118+ ERA and winning 20 games twice while finishing top 6 in the Cy Young voting three times. The next 5 pitchers are forgettable and irrelevant somewhat like Portugal and Browning. They were Jack Sanford, Bob Walk, Wilson Alvarez, Harvey Haddix, and Dennis Rasmussen, but... #10 was David Wells, who had a fine 76-39 stretch over his next 5 seasons with a 111+ ERA. Moyer and Wells remained very useful well beyond the five seasons I tallied, but since I don't believe anyone is even giving Happ a 5-year deal, I didn't go beyond that. The one point that stands out to me is that of those top ten most similar pitchers on the list, only three were still healthy and effective as full time starters at age 35 and ALL three were effective for at least 3 more seasons. Harvey Haddix and Jack Sanford both stayed on a few more seasons as relievers, with Haddix retiring still effective in that roll at 39... I wasn't warm on signing Happ due to his age before doing this excercise...I'd do three years at this point...But I'd still want to sign a guy that I feel can be an ACE ahead of everyone we have... |
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Post by inger on Oct 27, 2018 14:21:43 GMT -5
Here's Eovaldi's list...
Dave Giusti (974.4)
Jay Tibbs (969.1)
Jhoulys Chacin (968.8)
Charles Hudson (968.3)
John Lannan (966.1)
Luis Leal (964.3)
Bill Laskey (963.9)
Aaron Harang (963.8)
Jake Odorizzi (963.4)
Steve Stone (963.0)
Several failures here, but even on this list, Giusti became a valuable reliever for many seasons after not making the grade as a starter, Chacin is still pitching well this past season at age 30, and Steve Stone had that ONE big year, blowing his arm out in the process, in his early thirties. Nate is a lottery ticket, but he's a lottery ticket where you went to a gypsy and she gave you these numbers, and you're so damned intrigued that you have to buy a ticket...
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Post by inger on Oct 27, 2018 14:53:03 GMT -5
Here’s a little challenge for you:
If you could, would you rather bring back an in-his-prime Mark Teixeira and have him play 1st base for the Yankees for the next five years, or would you take an in-his-prime Don Mattingly for five years.
Not talking about Teixeira’s prime Yankee years, his REAL prime years...
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 27, 2018 15:24:56 GMT -5
Here’s a little challenge for you: If you could, would you rather bring back an in-his-prime Mark Teixeira and have him play 1st base for the Yankees for the next five years, or would you take an in-his-prime Don Mattingly for five years. Not talking about Teixeira’s prime Yankee years, his REAL prime years... Not even close...Donny Baseball...better hitter, better run producer, better baserunner, better defender, better range, better arm, difficult to strike out. Ten times out of ten! |
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 27, 2018 15:29:06 GMT -5
Inger is on a crusade to bring batting average back. [img src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/MGJDDHsrMXMaKUaTXDWm.gif" alt=" " class="smile"]
Other things Inger is trying to bring back: -Disco -Floppy Discs -Bell Bottom Pants -Blockbuster Video Stores -Phone Sex Hotlines -Boomboxes -The Macarena -Rotary Phones -8 tracks -Phone Books -VCRs |
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 27, 2018 15:41:27 GMT -5
The only things I'd like to see again are phone books and batting average. The rest I was never a proponent, even when popular. I prefer seeing great players get a hit a third of the time than strikeout a third of the time. A slight power decrease is the trade off, but it's more entertaining watching a player run to first than walk to the dugout. And, a ball in play means a defender must respond, which means more baseball.
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Post by inger on Oct 27, 2018 16:50:05 GMT -5
Inger is on a crusade to bring batting average back. [img alt=" " src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/MGJDDHsrMXMaKUaTXDWm.gif" class="smile"]
Other things Inger is trying to bring back: -Disco -Floppy Discs -Bell Bottom Pants -Blockbuster Video Stores -Phone Sex Hotlines -Boomboxes -The Macarena -Rotary Phones -8 tracks -Phone Books -VCRs A true review of this list: Disco: HATED it... Floppy Discs: Eh. Neutral. Seldom used em. Suppose CDs are a lot better. Bell Bottom Pants: confess to wearing them back on the day, but the day is over... Block Buster Video Stores: I think the ex wife ands I MIGHT have rented a total of three or four videos, but at the local video stores. Phone Sex Hotlines: Never could understand this concept, to be honest. Never tried it, but I always figured the chick on the other end of the phone would be a Holstein. |
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Post by inger on Oct 27, 2018 16:56:33 GMT -5
Inger is on a crusade to bring batting average back.
Other things Inger is trying to bring back: -Disco -Floppy Discs -Bell Bottom Pants -Blockbuster Video Stores -Phone Sex Hotlines -Boomboxes -The Macarena -Rotary Phones -8 tracks -Phone Books -VCRs Boomboxes: Had one, but it was strictly used in the house. The Macarena: Hated it. A lot. Rotary Phones: ‘Twas all we had at one time. Don’t wanna go back there. 8 Tracks: God, it you had one when I was 17 you were the king. If not, you were a worm. Had a couple. The sound was awful. Phone Books: I learned the trick to ripping them in half and used to be pretty good at it. VCRs: Let’s face it. They were the greatest thing that ever happened to x-rated movies. The day is gone. Life is now x-rated everywhere we go... |
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Post by inger on Oct 27, 2018 17:05:08 GMT -5
BTW: A note about 8-track tapes. Rising Sun, MD, where I lived was home of the infamous Deeds Music Company. A local auto dealer and a couple of his friends, most notably a local phamicist and a local attorney funded the very ambitious project and manufactured and sold millions of cheap, pirated tapes. You could own about any album you wanted for $2.99.
We sold them in the local store I worked for. They sold them all over our county and god knows where else. Those guys were all millionaires even then, back in the 70’s, and that attorney was pretty clever because those three guys got away with everything short of murder in those days...maybe that, too for all I know...
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Post by inger on Oct 27, 2018 17:14:52 GMT -5
Here’s a little challenge for you: If you could, would you rather bring back an in-his-prime Mark Teixeira and have him play 1st base for the Yankees for the next five years, or would you take an in-his-prime Don Mattingly for five years. Not talking about Teixeira’s prime Yankee years, his REAL prime years... Not even close...Donny Baseball...better hitter, better run producer, better baserunner, better defender, better range, better arm, difficult to strike out. Ten times out of ten! So, my point was that they had similar OPS+ numbers when they were in their prime years. Both were very good in the field, though Mattingly is in the stratosphere of first basemen defensively. Mattingly was going to swing aggressively, take 50-60 walks per year, but hit .320. While having a similar OBP, Teixeira was going to hit .280 or so...And yes, Mattingly would be my choice every time, too...They were both going to get on base 275 times or so per year... |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 27, 2018 18:40:08 GMT -5
Here's Eovaldi's list... Dave Giusti (974.4) Jay Tibbs (969.1) Jhoulys Chacin (968.8) Charles Hudson (968.3) John Lannan (966.1) Luis Leal (964.3) Bill Laskey (963.9) Aaron Harang (963.8) Jake Odorizzi (963.4) Steve Stone (963.0) Several failures here, but even on this list, Giusti became a valuable reliever for many seasons after not making the grade as a starter, Chacin is still pitching well this past season at age 30, and Steve Stone had that ONE big year, blowing his arm out in the process, in his early thirties. Nate is a lottery ticket, but he's a lottery ticket where you went to a gypsy and she gave you these numbers, and you're so damned intrigued that you have to buy a ticket... Nice research, inger. I'm weary of signing either pitcher, Happ because of his age and Eovaldi because of his health history. They will still get paid and I imagine Cashman will take a serious look at both. |
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