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Post by inger on Oct 25, 2018 18:47:21 GMT -5
Good sighting on the Baldelli/Cashman brotherhood, Rizz. There really is a strong resemblance. I wouldn’t have spotted this doppelgänger connection, probably because of the beard on Beard-delli...or maybe because of the bald on Bald-Cashman...But yes, it is a good catch. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 25, 2018 18:54:48 GMT -5
Charlie Montoyo is one jovial-looking guy. I think I would enjoy playing for a guy like that. He reminds me of Mr. Williamson, my Little League manager when I was eleven years old. Heckuva good man. Anyway, when I looked up Charlie Montoyo, I saw that he was a former major league player, and I thought to myself "Self, you have never heard of this person." And I thought I was pretty good at remembering names of baseball players. Then I look at his stats, and I see he was one of the greatest players of all time -- career BA of .400, career OPS+ of 160. Then I looked in the left-hand column and saw he only had five lifetime ABs, all of them coming over a few days with the Montreal Expos in 1993. Not quite enough to qualify. So he did make the most of his time, he just didn't get enough of it. As long as he doesn't beat the Yankees, all the best to him. |
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Post by inger on Oct 25, 2018 21:05:37 GMT -5
If only someone would hire John Paciorek “Mr. Three for Three (with 2 walks)” to manage a team, all would be right with the world...
Hard to believe that the 18-year old boy who had a perfect game at the plate for the horrid Astros in 1963 is now 73 years old...
Injury denied him further opportunity...
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 26, 2018 2:12:43 GMT -5
If only someone would hire John Paciorek “Mr. Three for Three (with 2 walks)” to manage a team, all would be right with the world... Hard to believe that the 18-year old boy who had a perfect game at the plate for the horrid Astros in 1963 is now 73 years old... Injury denied him further opportunity... One of the three Paciorek brothers to play in the majors. Good one Inger. Tom of course had a nice career -- 18 seasons, always a decent hitter. Jim had a one-season stint with Milwaukee. The Astros had another statistical fluke guy, the pretty well-known example of HOFer Robin Yount's older brother Larry. In September of 1973, Larry Yount was called in to relieve in a game for his major league debut. His elbow stiffened up while he was taking his warm-ups, he was taken out, and never again got into a major league game, although he pitched a few more seasons in the minors. How frustrating that had to have been. Because he was announced, he was considered as having been in the game, and he gets his name in the Baseball Encyclopedia. So we can still envy him. Plus he went on to become a wealthy real estate investor, so no heart-tugging tragedy there. I remember sometime back in the late seventies or early eighties, some baseball announcers began pronouncing Robin Yount's name "Yunt." I don't know if that is what Yount himself wanted, or if it was just a flight of Tony Kubek's fancy. But soon enough everybody went back to pronouncing it "Yownt." |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 3:24:58 GMT -5
It’s nearly happy hour here in Singapore, pipp. Sure wish I had you and inger here to go down memory lane. Nothing like knowledgeable baseball guys and a few beers on a Friday evening at the watering hole.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 3:32:42 GMT -5
I’m sure hearing a lot of chirping about the Yankees letting Gardner and CC loose, going with Ellsbury as the fourth OFer, signing both Happ and Corbin, resigning Walker and signing either Machado or Harper. Are you guys hearing that stuff also? Also trading Green, Robertson only 50/50 to return, because Holder can take his spot in the pecking order.
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 26, 2018 8:38:27 GMT -5
I’m sure hearing a lot of chirping about the Yankees letting Gardner and CC loose, going with Ellsbury as the fourth OFer, signing both Happ and Corbin, resigning Walker and signing either Machado or Harper. Are you guys hearing that stuff also? Also trading Green, Robertson only 50/50 to return, because Holder can take his spot in the pecking order. They better be careful trading Green, with the way teams use so many relievers now. I don't know why they would bring Walker back, he had like one good month all season. If only Machado was left handed or Harper could play SS. |
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Post by inger on Oct 26, 2018 9:58:51 GMT -5
I’m sure hearing a lot of chirping about the Yankees letting Gardner and CC loose, going with Ellsbury as the fourth OFer, signing both Happ and Corbin, resigning Walker and signing either Machado or Harper. Are you guys hearing that stuff also? Also trading Green, Robertson only 50/50 to return, because Holder can take his spot in the pecking order. They better be careful trading Green, with the way teams use so many relievers now. I don't know why they would bring Walker back, he had like one good month all season. If only Machado was left handed or Harper could play SS. There's the next headline for the NY Post... "MACHADO SAYS HE WILL BAT LEFT HANDED, HARPER VOLUNTEERS TO PLAY SS FOR HIS NEW TEAM" |
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Post by inger on Oct 26, 2018 10:06:58 GMT -5
It’s nearly happy hour here in Singapore, pipp. Sure wish I had you and inger here to go down memory lane. Nothing like knowledgeable baseball guys and a few beers on a Friday evening at the watering hole.
Of course it's a bit easier to become a wealthy real estate investor if you have a brother that might give an interest free loan or two... Every Larry needs his Robin...Hmmm. Wonder if people called Larry "Batman"??? It would indeed be quite cool to be sitting in a Singapore watering hole shootin' the bull...Heck, we could probably talk about those old Astros teams alone for a couple of hours...Interesting years in Houston...I'm not sure what year it was and too rushed at the moment to look it up, but John Bateman led the team with 9 HR one season... I think it might have been '64. Certainly had to be before Jimmy Wynn was a regular on the team... |
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Post by inger on Oct 26, 2018 10:18:31 GMT -5
I’m sure hearing a lot of chirping about the Yankees letting Gardner and CC loose, going with Ellsbury as the fourth OFer, signing both Happ and Corbin, resigning Walker and signing either Machado or Harper. Are you guys hearing that stuff also? Also trading Green, Robertson only 50/50 to return, because Holder can take his spot in the pecking order. That’s all the standard crap we hear this time of year getting regurgitated by people who know just enough that they don’t anything... In the versions I’ve heard, we’re going to replace Walker with Daniel Murphy. One old war horse for another. I love the 50/50 stories, because either way the teller is right... (: Counting on Ellsbury to do anything is suicide... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 26, 2018 11:56:36 GMT -5
It’s nearly happy hour here in Singapore, pipp. Sure wish I had you and inger here to go down memory lane. Nothing like knowledgeable baseball guys and a few beers on a Friday evening at the watering hole.
Of course it's a bit easier to become a wealthy real estate investor if you have a brother that might give an interest free loan or two... Every Larry needs his Robin...Hmmm. Wonder if people called Larry "Batman"??? It would indeed be quite cool to be sitting in a Singapore watering hole shootin' the bull...Heck, we could probably talk about those old Astros teams alone for a couple of hours...Interesting years in Houston...I'm not sure what year it was and too rushed at the moment to look it up, but John Bateman led the team with 9 HR one season... I think it might have been '64. Certainly had to be before Jimmy Wynn was a regular on the team... Chuck, wish I could say Inger and I will be right over to talk about the game back in the day over a few cold ones. I have enjoyed my brief time in Singapore and it could only have been enhanced by a good baseball conversation. Remember, Inger, that any mention of the Houston National League baseball team pre-1965 must refer to them as the Colt .45s. Playing at Colt Stadium. I do remember the catcher John Bateman leading the team in HRs one year with a sad total, and he didn't even have the HR-forbidding Astrodome to blame for it. Those early Colt .45s had at least two knuckleball pitchers, Ken Johnson and Hal "Skinny" Brown. They also had a journeyman relief pitcher named Hal Woodeshick who one year was their mandatory All Star. Bob Aspromonte, Bob Lillis, Al Spangler, Bob Bruce. A guy named Don Nottebart who I vaguely recall pitching a no-hitter. Or maybe it was Ken Johnson. Or both of them, I can't look it up right now. I remember Paul Richards, late of the Orioles, was their GM and he actually dug up a lot of young up and comers like Rusty Staub, Joe Morgan and Jimmy Wynn. I just remembered another expansion team mandatory All Star. A second baseman named Billy Moran for the Angels. Any of you guys remember him? No reason you should. He was no Frank Bolling or Don Blasingame, that's for sure. |
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Post by inger on Oct 26, 2018 14:29:40 GMT -5
Forget Billy Moran? Why, I might as well have forgotten my mom as to forget Billy Moran...If I should ever do such a thing I’m certain I’d be hunted down by the ghost of Joe LaHoud...the spirit of Billy Hoeft...the shadows of Wayne Causey and Ed Charles...and is that an echo of Bob Lillis I just heard.
The memories evoked by those names. They were the kind of players who’s cards we HAD to have, for it was they who made the sound in our bicycle spokes...
But even for they, as lowly as they may have been, they weren’t relegated to bicycle spoke duty unless we had doubles of them in our collections...or coukd trade them to kid that hated Yankees...”Hey, kid! You don’t want that Jake Gibbs? I’ll give you Billy Moran and Ed Charles for him. Heck, I’ll even through in a Sam Bowen”...
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Post by inger on Oct 26, 2018 14:34:08 GMT -5
BTW, Pipps. Yes. Where was my head to not say the Houston Colt 45s? All in all I believe that would still be a better name for the franchise in Houston...After all, Colt 45’s don’t kill people, people kill people...
Do they still make that disgusting Colt 45 Malt Liquor? I know it’s disgusting, even though I never tasted it...Even that sounds better than Astro Liquor would sound...or taste...
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 26, 2018 17:04:50 GMT -5
Forget Billy Moran? Why, I might as well have forgotten my mom as to forget Billy Moran...If I should ever do such a thing I’m certain I’d be hunted down by the ghost of Joe LaHoud...the spirit of Billy Hoeft...the shadows of Wayne Causey and Ed Charles...and is that an echo of Bob Lillis I just heard. The memories evoked by those names. They were the kind of players who’s cards we HAD to have, for it was they who made the sound in our bicycle spokes... But even for they, as lowly as they may have been, they weren’t relegated to bicycle spoke duty unless we had doubles of them in our collections...or coukd trade them to kid that hated Yankees...”Hey, kid! You don’t want that Jake Gibbs? I’ll give you Billy Moran and Ed Charles for him. Heck, I’ll even through in a Sam Bowen”... Billy Hoeft -- you hit on one of my favorite names. Right in there with Johnny Klippstein and Cal McLish. Card trade bait for sure. I am so glad you are not a stranger to Billy Moran. I looked him up after mentioning him and saw he was one of those guys who played in the ill-conceived dual All Star Game arrangement of the late 50s-early 60s. That is probably why I remembered him being in there -- he played on both 1962 All Star games. Like a stupid kid I eagerly watched every second of both. I could never bring myself to put even duplicate cards into bicycle spokes. It seemed like an undeserved indignity, even if it was my fourth copy of Billy Consolo or Eddie Bressoud. They would simply lie unattended in a box, slowly losing their bubble gum fragrance and eventually tossed out by my mother. |
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Post by inger on Oct 26, 2018 18:31:53 GMT -5
I was a card-carrying member of MABCD, (Mothers Against Baseball Card Destruction). I was never a mother, but I was certainly mad as a mother when my mother threw mine out one day when I was at school...
Even those Rookie Cards with multiple players on them and the team photo cards deserved a better death. The cars that used to really piss me off were the checklist cards. What a waste of good cardboard.
Did you ever get a team photo card where the faces weren’t double printed beyond recognition???
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