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Post by inger on Feb 19, 2019 20:30:27 GMT -5
Sounds like the Yanks never seriously considered Machado It certainly looks that way, I wonder if anything, other than the huge price tag, turned them off with Machado? I think we know...Too much dog in him. Too low class. The team doesn’t need that image. Why acquire that kind of baggage when you utilize Wunderlich testing in the draft?... |
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Post by greatfatness on Feb 19, 2019 20:30:49 GMT -5
Sounds like the Yanks never seriously considered Machado It certainly looks that way, I wonder if anything, other than the huge price tag, turned them off with Machado? I think from what I read, the front office and ownership was split on whether it was worth acquiring him at any price, and so with the price being what it is, you're not cutting that check without people aligning in management. Second, his agent didn't want them to make an offer or talk terms when they first met, he wanted to develop the market. That's not how Cashman operates. |
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Post by rizzuto on Feb 19, 2019 23:42:15 GMT -5
Sometimes, the best deals are the ones that are not made. This may be one of those. Glad he’s taking his lack of hustle to San Diego.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 0:38:34 GMT -5
Certainly his perceived lack of hustle is a lot of over hype. Reminds me of the knocks on Cano. Both of those players could be counted on to play every game without the benefit of ‘mental health” days, or sit downs against certain pitchers. Like I say, I wouldn’t give him 10 years, but it wouldn’t be because he didn’t run out a ground ball, or because he made a comment to a reporter. Like it or not, Machado is one of the top 5-6 position players in the game.
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Post by inger on Feb 20, 2019 0:46:49 GMT -5
Certainly his perceived lack of hustle is a lot of over hype. Reminds me of the knocks on Cano. Both of those players could be counted on to play every game without the benefit of ‘mental health” days, or sit downs against certain pitchers. Like I say, I wouldn’t give him 10 years, but it wouldn’t be because he didn’t run out a ground ball, or because he made a comment to a reporter. Like it or not, Machado is one of the top 5-6 position players in the game. DISCLAIMER: The opinion expressed by the writer in the last sentence of the post above is credited to the writer and does not reflect a 100% sampling of the forum... (: Chuck, you’ve been a pretty good sport about the “loss” of Machado since the price and terms were announced. But I still feel you overvalue him and let him skate for personality deficits that were exposed years before the World Series this season. I do agree with the comparisons to Cano, but he has proven to have skeletons in his closet as well, so there’s that to consider...and I was a formed ardent supporter of his. I like to at least try to learn from my errors... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 3:55:06 GMT -5
Inger, I don’t really care about how fans rip players that much.Ive heard Sanchez is lazy, CC was a fat alcoholic, Betances selfish, Bird too sensitive, Tanaka won’t admit when he’s hurt. CC, Judge and Chapman off the top of my head have all expressed the hope that the team sign Machado. If they thought he was such a horrible person, I’m sure their silence would have been deafening. Saying that, we didn’t get him and he signed in a place where it’s unlikely he can hurt us at least in the next couple of seasons, which is fine with me. I don’t think there is much doubt that he is in the top few players in the game.
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Post by greatfatness on Feb 20, 2019 8:24:34 GMT -5
What’s interesting is that despite Machado being the better ball player, Harper is probably going to end up with a bigger deal.
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Feb 20, 2019 9:14:58 GMT -5
What’s interesting is that despite Machado being the better ball player, Harper is probably going to end up with a bigger deal. Is Machado really the better ball player? Im not so sure. Based on Fangraphs measures, Harper has been a 30.7 WAR player over 927 career games and Machado has been a 30.2 career WAR player in 926 games (though baseball reference gives an edge to Machado of about 0.9 WAR per season over 7 years). Machado has been a more consistent year over year while Harper has been more volatile in getting to those numbers. But at the same time Harper has shown that he can be the best player in the game (maybe not named Mike Trout). Harper is one of the great OBP players in the game while Machado is one of the great defenders; they seem to be even in the power and stolen base department. Harper clearly has more upside potential at this stage in their careers - not to mention that is Machado ends up as a SS for San Diego he will be less valuable than he has been in past years as a 3B (hes not the same defensive wizard at short as he is at 3B as we've seen). One additional point is that Harper appears to be a much more marketable star in the game today; especially if he stays East (hes already on the cover of the MLB video game this year and is a major face of Under Armour). It will be those few latter points why Harper will get a bigger deal (if that ends up being true). |
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Post by greatfatness on Feb 20, 2019 9:41:15 GMT -5
I could see that view. Harper’s peak value as a hitter is definitely more than Machado’s when you look historically. I was looking at more recent history and trends for the future. Harper’s peak is higher in terms of potential with the bat but I am doubtful he will ever hit at that level again. And also don’t think his trend as a fielder is encouraging. They’re both good hitters but to me Machado is better overall ball player and more likely to hold his value long term. Not that I wanted to sign either of them.
To your last point, I do think marketing explains much of why he will get the bigger contract.
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Feb 20, 2019 9:49:37 GMT -5
I could see that view. Harper’s peak value as a hitter is definitely more than Machado’s when you look historically. I was looking at more recent history and trends for the future. Harper’s peak is higher in terms of potential with the bat but I am doubtful he will ever hit at that level again. And also don’t think his trend as a fielder is encouraging. They’re both good hitters but to me Machado is better overall ball player and more likely to hold his value long term. Not that I wanted to sign either of them. I think Harper may be destined for first base (at some point), so not sure what they will mean for his defensive trend in long term. |
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Post by domeplease on Feb 20, 2019 11:19:07 GMT -5
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Feb 20, 2019 11:35:18 GMT -5
We finally agree. Glad the Yanks didnt go all in on Machado. He just never got me that excited. No comment on the thought of DoMe on a nude beach in San Diego though... |
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Post by inger on Feb 20, 2019 12:16:53 GMT -5
We finally agree. Glad the Yanks didnt go all in on Machado. He just never got me that excited. No comment on the thought of DoMe on a nude beach in San Diego though... Pictures of the old cartoons in some rather long ago “Playboy” magazines where the Satyrs were chasing bevies of nude girls come to mind... |
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Post by greatfatness on Feb 20, 2019 13:12:07 GMT -5
This explains a lot. Hopefully this will be used to restore Greg Bird’s missing batspeed
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Post by domeplease on Feb 20, 2019 13:24:40 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/projecting-biggest-risers-fallers-for-mlb-starting-rotations-in-2019/ar-BBTNRMg
...As MLB teams continue preparing for 2019, we’ll be looking at how different areas of the field are expected to perform compared to last year. After looking at the league as a whole, we’ll then drill down to the biggest projected risers and fallers. The first area of big-league rosters that will be looked is — you guessed it — starting rotations.
The projected fWAR production and MLB rank (along with the 2018 numbers) are all sourced by FanGraphs. It should also be noted that these projections are just that, and they should be taken with a grain of salt. However, they’re great because it provides an objective opinion on what we could potentially expect to unfold over the following six or seven months.
All The Data
Here’s a look at how every team’s starting rotation is expected to perform in 2019, along with how it compares and contrasts to what they just accomplished. READ MORE...
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