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Post by inger on Jun 15, 2019 19:23:00 GMT -5
Pipps has a thing for women named Jan. Hadn't thought of that Kaybli. You are very observant. That’s how he spotted Spiranac... (: |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 15, 2019 19:26:01 GMT -5
Well, I'm glad I could derail this thread from the US Open to more important matters.
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Post by inger on Jun 15, 2019 19:30:28 GMT -5
Woodland now -11, Rose -9, Koepka and one other at -8...
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 15, 2019 19:54:05 GMT -5
Amazing 43 foot putt to save par for Woodland. He stays on his game.
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Post by inger on Jun 15, 2019 20:17:05 GMT -5
Woodland -11, in good shape on 16 for a birdie try...Still -9 for Rose...Koepka and is it Lesley(?) at -7...
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 15, 2019 20:20:11 GMT -5
Woodland -11, in good shape on 16 for a birdie try...Still -9 for Rose...Koepka and is it Lesley(?) at -7... I think that's Chez Reavie. As Oustuizen goes to 7 under. |
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Post by domeplease on Jun 16, 2019 9:31:31 GMT -5
In ALL my prior Golf Bets I always has Woodland = THE ONE TIME I do not pick him = He is leading going into Day 4. Go Figure.
Tequila, you MIGHT want to pick your corner out = Since you will be a Working Girl soon if the U.S. Open doesn't go our way!!! |
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Post by domeplease on Jun 17, 2019 9:31:15 GMT -5
In ALL my prior Golf Bets I always has Woodland = THE ONE TIME I do not pick him = He is leading going into Day 4. Go Figure.
Tequila, you MIGHT want to pick your corner out = Since you will be a Working Girl soon if the U.S. Open doesn't go our way!!! BRAVO--BRAVO--BRAVO to Woodland. He DESERVED the Win.
Now, I have lost Thousands of $$$ on the Masters & to Compound that Stupidity, I have ALSO lost thousands of $$$ on the U.S. Open.
Tequila: "Sorry, but get your Ass out to the Corner and bring home some $$$, before we go hungry."
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 17, 2019 11:05:34 GMT -5
Sorry you took a hit in the US Open Dome. You are taking it a lot more philosophically than I would.
Yes, Woodland played with nerves of steel and never really made a mess of it at any point. I have to admit that I was hoping either Rose or Koepka would win it because they are known quantities and it would be more historical had they done so.
But afterward, hearing some of Woodland's stories and seeing how much respect the other golfers have for him, I was happy for him. That par save on 17 was off the charts. A valiant effort by Koepka -- this year he was second in the Masters, won the PGA and now second in the US Open.
I am guessing you will throw a few dollars his way for the British.
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 17, 2019 11:41:19 GMT -5
Sorry you took a hit in the US Open Dome. You are taking it a lot more philosophically than I would. Yes, Woodland played with nerves of steel and never really made a mess of it at any point. I have to admit that I was hoping either Rose or Koepka would win it because they are known quantities and it would be more historical had they done so. But afterward, hearing some of Woodland's stories and seeing how much respect the other golfers have for him, I was happy for him. That par save on 17 was off the charts. A valiant effort by Koepka -- this year he was second in the Masters, won the PGA and now second in the US Open. I am guessing you will throw a few dollars his way for the British. Woodland’s three wood from the fairway convinced me he wasn’t going to lose anymore strokes. Koepka should have used a driver on 18. He would have had a four or five iron to the green. He needed an eagle, not sure why he hit a three-wood off the tee, unless the wind was at his back. At one of the ProAms at Pebble, I watched Jack Nicklaus hit that green in two, nearly hit the eagle putt, and tap in for birdie. Jack was over sixty years old at the time. He’s the best ever imo. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 17, 2019 12:14:22 GMT -5
Sorry you took a hit in the US Open Dome. You are taking it a lot more philosophically than I would. Yes, Woodland played with nerves of steel and never really made a mess of it at any point. I have to admit that I was hoping either Rose or Koepka would win it because they are known quantities and it would be more historical had they done so. But afterward, hearing some of Woodland's stories and seeing how much respect the other golfers have for him, I was happy for him. That par save on 17 was off the charts. A valiant effort by Koepka -- this year he was second in the Masters, won the PGA and now second in the US Open. I am guessing you will throw a few dollars his way for the British. Woodland’s three wood from the fairway convinced me he wasn’t going to lose anymore strokes. Koepka should have used a driver on 18. He would have had a four or five iron to the green. He needed an eagle, not sure why he hit a three-wood off the tee, unless the wind was at his back. At one of the ProAms at Pebble, I watched Jack Nicklaus hit that green in two, nearly hit the eagle putt, and tap in for birdie. Jack was over sixty years old at the time. He’s the best ever imo. Good points, Rizz. My very long reply was zapped just as I was applying the final period. The bulk of it was that I would never argue against anyone saying Jack was the greatest ever, although Tiger in his peak years was pretty hard to top. Ben Hogan is also in the conversation, although his overall numbers were derailed by WWW II and his own injuries. For his single-minded fanatical devotion to constantly improving his game, as well as his distant attitude toward fans, he had much in common with Tiger. Sam Snead is also in the conversation for sustained excellence that I don't think is adequately appreciated today. But Jack will always be my favorite. I started following golf when Arnie was, justifiably, the Peoples Choice, and then this fat gruff crewcut kid was displacing him. He took a lot of abuse from fans in his early years until he became the more fashionable and fan-friendly Jack of the 1970s. It's like with Mantle, I'm too old to change my hierarchy at this point. |
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Post by inger on Jun 17, 2019 13:22:49 GMT -5
It’s obvious Pipps that you never saw Rannulph Junuh play... (:
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 17, 2019 13:44:40 GMT -5
Woodland’s three wood from the fairway convinced me he wasn’t going to lose anymore strokes. Koepka should have used a driver on 18. He would have had a four or five iron to the green. He needed an eagle, not sure why he hit a three-wood off the tee, unless the wind was at his back. At one of the ProAms at Pebble, I watched Jack Nicklaus hit that green in two, nearly hit the eagle putt, and tap in for birdie. Jack was over sixty years old at the time. He’s the best ever imo. Good points, Rizz. My very long reply was zapped just as I was applying the final period. The bulk of it was that I would never argue against anyone saying Jack was the greatest ever, although Tiger in his peak years was pretty hard to top. Ben Hogan is also in the conversation, although his overall numbers were derailed by WWW II and his own injuries. For his single-minded fanatical devotion to constantly improving his game, as well as his distant attitude toward fans, he had much in common with Tiger. Sam Snead is also in the conversation for sustained excellence that I don't think is adequately appreciated today. But Jack will always be my favorite. I started following golf when Arnie was, justifiably, the Peoples Choice, and then this fat gruff crewcut kid was displacing him. He took a lot of abuse from fans in his early years until he became the more fashionable and fan-friendly Jack of the 1970s. It's like with Mantle, I'm too old to change my hierarchy at this point. Young Tom Morris, Harry Vardon, Walter Hagen, Bobby Jones, Ben Hogan, Byron Nelson, Sam Sneed, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus, and Tiger Woods...those are the top ten golfers of all time in my opinion. For a Mount Rushmore, I'd have to go with Bobby Jones, Ben Hogan, Jack Nicklaus, and Tiger Woods....but man Nelson is difficult to leave off the mountain (He retired at age 34 to become a rancher). I must respectfully disagree regarding Nicklaus and Woods, though. Nicklaus had the same swing his entire career (actually since age 13), and not coincidently the same golf coach until his death - Jack Grout. Tiger has gone through swing coaches, golf clubs, caddies, etc. like he's gone through waitresses. Also, Nicklaus was a consummate family man. His family traveled with him to nearly every tournament, and he sometimes would fly home after a tournament round to watch his kids' basketball, football, and baseball games! This was a huge reason why Nicklaus sometimes eschewed the press. In fact, I would argue that - early in his career as you mentioned - Jack was not as reluctant with the press, as they were with him. Jack once said, "I may have had to contend with Arnie's fans but never with Arnie." They were always friends, even as rivals. In short, Jack was not consumed with golf, as he was with his family. He was not maniacal about practice and back then golf was not year-round - there was a season. Nicklaus once said, "If you play, you only hit 30-odd full shots during a four-hour round. I can practice for an hour, hit all my clubs, and spend the other three hours fishing." Nicklaus was also not a mad science, golf club tinkerer like Hogan, Palmer, and Trevino. Jack only became a golf course designer because he lost nearly everything he made in golf and endorsements - due to his being an easy touch with family and friends. Many, many bad investments, being overly trusting and far too helpful to people in need. Jack has always been gracious. By comparison, Tiger Woods is a jerk to fans, to kids, has one of the foulest mouths on tour, is notoriously cheap, and universally known as a horrible tipper. Golf defines Tiger as a person and is lost without it; not so with Nicklaus. In fact, Nicklaus would have retired much sooner, had he not been in financial straits from the middle of his career. Nicklaus has 18 majors, 19 second place finishes in majors, and competed against the toughest field of "great golfers" ever. He played his first major as an amateur with Ben Hogan. Hogan said, "I played 36 holes with a kid today who if he knew what he was doing should have won the tournament by ten strokes!" Jack finished second, two strokes behind Palmer, who shot a final round 65! Nicklaus' proudest moment was not winning Augusta in 1986 at the age of 46; it was having his son Jackie as his caddie during it all. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 17, 2019 15:14:18 GMT -5
Good points, Rizz. My very long reply was zapped just as I was applying the final period. The bulk of it was that I would never argue against anyone saying Jack was the greatest ever, although Tiger in his peak years was pretty hard to top. Ben Hogan is also in the conversation, although his overall numbers were derailed by WWW II and his own injuries. For his single-minded fanatical devotion to constantly improving his game, as well as his distant attitude toward fans, he had much in common with Tiger. Sam Snead is also in the conversation for sustained excellence that I don't think is adequately appreciated today. But Jack will always be my favorite. I started following golf when Arnie was, justifiably, the Peoples Choice, and then this fat gruff crewcut kid was displacing him. He took a lot of abuse from fans in his early years until he became the more fashionable and fan-friendly Jack of the 1970s. It's like with Mantle, I'm too old to change my hierarchy at this point. Young Tom Morris, Harry Vardon, Walter Hagen, Bobby Jones, Ben Hogan, Byron Nelson, Sam Sneed, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus, and Tiger Woods...those are the top ten golfers of all time in my opinion. For a Mount Rushmore, I'd have to go with Bobby Jones, Ben Hogan, Jack Nicklaus, and Tiger Woods....but man Nelson is difficult to leave off the mountain (He retired at age 34 to become a rancher). I must respectfully disagree regarding Nicklaus and Woods, though. Nicklaus had the same swing his entire career, and not coincidently the same golf coach until his death - Jack Grout. Tiger has gone through swing coaches, golf clubs, caddies, etc. like he's gone through waitresses. Also, Nicklaus was a consummate family man. His family traveled with him to nearly every tournament, and he sometimes would fly home after a tournament round to watch his kids' basketball, football, and baseball games! This was a huge reason why Nicklaus sometime eschewed the press. In fact, I would argue that - early in his career as you mentioned - Jack was not as reluctant with the press, as they were with him. Jack once said, "I may have had to contend with Arnie's fans but never with Arnie." They were always friends, even as rivals. In short, Jack was not consumed with golf, as he was with his family. He was not maniacal about practice and back then golf was not year-round - there was a season. Nicklaus once said, "If you play, you only hit 30-odd full shots during a four-hour round. I can practice for an hour, hit all my clubs, and spend the other three hours fishing." Nicklaus was also not a mad science, golf club tinkerer like Hogan, Palmer, and Trevino. Jack only became a golf course designer because he lost nearly everything he made in golf and endorsements - due to his being an easy touch with family and friends. Many, many bad investments, being overly trusting and far too helpful to people in need. Jack has always been gracious. By comparison, Tiger Woods is a jerk to fans, to kids, has one of the foulest mouths on tour, is notoriously cheap, and universally known as a horrible tipper. Golf defines Tiger as a person and is lost without it; not so with Nicklaus. In fact, Nicklaus would have retired much sooner, had he not been in financial straits from the middle of his career. Nicklaus has 18 majors, 19 second place finishes in majors, and competed against the toughest field of "great golfers" ever. He played his first major with Ben Hogan. Hogan once said, "I played with a kid today who if he knew what he was doing should have won the tournament by ten strokes!" Nicklaus' proudest moment was not winning Augusta in 1986 at the age of 46; it was having his son Jackie as his caddie during it all. Rizz, I'm not sure we disagree at all. Or if so, only in the most minuscule way. In my original post that was zapped, I mentioned Young Tom Morris as maybe the most forgotten golf superstar ever. He was, at least insofar as his play was concerned, the Tiger Woods of his day. A tragic death at an extremely young age. And Old Tom may have been the first golfer eligible for canonization. Byron Nelson also belongs in the saint category. Maybe Francis Ouimet too. I think my Top Ten of all time would be identical to yours. And my Rushmore too. I might put Hagen before Nelson, but not worth quibbling about. Lord Byron's run of victories -- wasn't it 17 in one year, something like eleven in a row? -- is as untouchable as Cy Young's 511 victories. I do think some of it came in a thinned-out field at the tail end of WW II. Although nobody else was coming close to achieving that, then or ever. It does my heart good to see a mention of Harry Vardon. In some ways he did for golf in the US what Babe Ruth did for baseball in Japan. Brought it to the people. There are a few clips of him on the course which are fun to watch. Amazing that he and his partner on tour, Ted Ray, were both from the little island of Jersey Jack is my favorite golfer that I have personally watched, and pretty much for the reasons you eloquently stated. A class act all the way, from a class family. If Bobby Jones was able to pick up on his ability while I think Jack was still an amateur, that says it all. Jones is probably my favorite historical golfer. The total integrity, the intellect, the ultimately successful but lifelong struggle to control a volcanic temper, the textbook swing, the love of the game, the appreciation of a good cocktail and most importantly the absolute courage in dealing with a horrendous illness for so many years. On the short list of all-time American sportsmen. Somewhere in my second ten would have to be Cary Middlecoff. The dentist. Didn't turn pro until age 26, retired from the tour at age 40, yet is still in the Top Ten all time for PGA tour wins. I remember watching him as a kid and then for many years listening to him as a golf analyst. You know Vijay Singh's record is pretty amazing too. He didn't join the PGA tour until he was 30 years old, yet still racked up 30 tour wins along with three majors. Phil would be in my second ten. Billy Casper too, a wonderful if rather bland tactician forever in the shadow of the Big Three. Which reminds me Gary Player is in that second wave as well. Tom Watson. Lee Trevino. Raymond Floyd perhaps. Gene The Machine Littler. Probably getting too far into the weeds now. I just love talking about the old golfers. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 17, 2019 15:15:22 GMT -5
It’s obvious Pipps that you never saw Rannulph Junuh play... (: I think the Golf Channel was showing that movie yesterday during the US Open! |
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