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Feb 14, 2019 13:52:59 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Feb 14, 2019 13:52:59 GMT -5
Getting back to Kuchar and the caddy, what if he actually gave his regular caddy his 10% of the purse for the win? Just because the guy wasn’t available that doesn’t mean Kuchar didn’t reward him for years of service...Once again, we’re trying to go behind the curtain and pass judgement without all the facts... I’m not going to go there...
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Post by domeplease on Feb 16, 2019 7:48:48 GMT -5
Getting back to Kuchar and the caddy, what if he actually gave his regular caddy his 10% of the purse for the win? Just because the guy wasn’t available that doesn’t mean Kuchar didn’t reward him for years of service...Once again, we’re trying to go behind the curtain and pass judgement without all the facts... I’m not going to go there... 02-15-19: www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/kuchar-apologizes-pledges-dollar50000-to-mayakoba-caddie/ar-BBTEDGD?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=U147DHP LOS ANGELES — Matt Kuchar apologized Friday for what he said were insensitive comments about the caddie he used at the Mayakoba Classic in Mexico last fall and said he would pay the $50,000 the caddie requested. He also said he would make a donation to the tournament to be distributed to charities in the Cancun area. "Golf is a game where we call penalties on ourselves," Kuchar said in a statement released by the PGA Tour. "I should have done that long ago and not let this situation escalate."Kuchar's regular caddie couldn't make the trip to Mexico in November, so he used David Ortiz from El Camaleon Golf Club. Kuchar won for the first time in more than four years and earned $1,296,000. Ortiz received $5,000. Kuchar defended the payment — regular PGA Tour caddies typically get 10 percent from the winner — by saying they had an agreement at the start of the week. In an interview with golf.com, Kuchar said he did not understand why there was such a big buzz on social media. "For a guy who makes $200 a day, a $5,000 week is a really good week," Kuchar said. Ortiz had told the website he didn't expect the full 10 percent as a fulltime caddie, but that he thought it was worth $50,000. He said he sent three emails to Kuchar's agent, Mark Steinberg at Excel Sports Management, and was offered an additional $15,000, which he turned down because he found it unacceptable. Now he's getting his money after Kuchar spent the last two days defending the arrangement."This week, I made comments that were out of touch and insensitive, making a bad situation worse," Kuchar said. "They made it seem like I was marginalizing David Ortiz and his financial situation, which was not my intention. I read them again and cringed. That is not who I am and now what I want to represent."Kuchar, who opened with a 68 on Friday at the Genesis Open, said he would call Ortiz after play Friday, which he said was overdue. "I have made sure he has received the full total that he has requested," Kuchar said.The situation first came to light when PGA Tour Champions player Tom Gillis tweeted in January — as Kuchar was on his way to another victory in the Sony Open — that he paid a local caddie at the Mayakoba Classic only $3,000. Asked about it in Honolulu, Kuchar said it wasn't $3,000 and it wasn't 10 percent, a variance of about $125,000. In the golf.com interview, Kuchar suggest that someone persuaded Ortiz to ask for more. "I was very clear and very upfront. And he said, 'OK.' He had the ability, with bonuses, to make up to $4,000," Kuchar told the website. He said the deal was $1,000 if he missed the cut, $2,000 if he made the cut, $3,000 if he finished in the top 20 and $4,000 if he was in the top 10. Kuchar said the extra $1,000 was a token of gratitude for a great week. "He was in agreement with those terms," Kuchar said. "That's where I struggle. I don't know what happened. Someone must have said, 'You need much more.'" The apology and payment is a big step toward ending a saga that Kuchar said had played out mostly on social media. Even so, it was getting more attention from players on the range than Sergio Garcia damaging five greens and getting disqualified in Saudi Arabia."I never wanted to bring any negativity to the Mayakoba Golf Classic," Kuchar said. He did not mention the size of the donation he was making or what philanthropic causes it would support in Playa del Carmen and Cancun.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 8:05:23 GMT -5
I would have given him $70,000 and two business class around the world tickets with 7 stops and all transfers and hotels paid (around $20,000 value), plus 10k in cash for travel expenses.... but that’s me.
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Post by domeplease on Feb 16, 2019 10:28:51 GMT -5
I would have given him $70,000 and two business class around the world tickets with 7 stops and all transfers and hotels paid (around $20,000 value), plus 10k in cash for travel expenses.... but that’s me. I AGREE!!!
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Feb 16, 2019 11:16:37 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Feb 16, 2019 11:16:37 GMT -5
I would have given him $70,000 and two business class around the world tickets with 7 stops and all transfers and hotels paid (around $20,000 value), plus 10k in cash for travel expenses.... but that’s me. Personally, I would have told him before the tournament started that he would get paid the same amount my regular caddy got. There was no reason for Kuchar to take a discount because his regular caddy was not attending, UNLESS the regular caddy was still getting a cut, which seems illogical. I supported the payout originally on the basis of the “deal is a deal” premise. Ortiz was similarly at fault for having accepted the deal in the first place. Yes, it was a tight-ass offer, and I believe Kuchar knew he had his hand in the cookie jar at that price, but both parties had agreed. Most likely, if Kuchar had finished low no one would have ever found out, nor made a big issue of the deal...and Ortiz would have had a great experience while adding a bump to his bank account. So it’s good that Kuchar won and drew attention to the circumstances. The next golfer that Considers playing con man will think twice now. I would assume both parties are now happy with the end result...
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Post by domeplease on Feb 20, 2019 13:15:52 GMT -5
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Feb 20, 2019 13:27:21 GMT -5
Outside of 2016 the USA showing in the Ryder Cup has been really disappointing in recent years. In 2020, Whistling Straits is the host course. I played there last August and it was absolutely stunning. Hoping the US team can bounce back from the embarrassment last year.
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Feb 20, 2019 13:40:46 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Feb 20, 2019 13:40:46 GMT -5
Outside of 2016 the USA showing in the Ryder Cup has been really disappointing in recent years. In 2020, Whistling Straits is the host course. I played there last August and it was absolutely stunning. Hoping the US team can bounce back from the embarrassment last year. Mich, you get to play some terrific and very challenging venues. Do you post a handicap? What’s your best round, favorite course and so on?... I was definitely never past the duffer stage. I think the lowest handicap I ever posted was 14. It would definitely be 36 if I tried today...
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Feb 20, 2019 13:52:40 GMT -5
Outside of 2016 the USA showing in the Ryder Cup has been really disappointing in recent years. In 2020, Whistling Straits is the host course. I played there last August and it was absolutely stunning. Hoping the US team can bounce back from the embarrassment last year. Mich, you get to play some terrific and very challenging venues. Do you post a handicap? What’s your best round, favorite course and so on?... I was definitely never past the duffer stage. I think the lowest handicap I ever posted was 14. It would definitely be 36 if I tried today... I dont carry an official USGA handicap but I have been keeping all of my scores in an app on my phone dating back to August 2014 and it says I am a 14.3 handicap. This has probably fallen 4-5 strokes over that time and I think at my lowest it was around 13.0 (cant remember if I got into the 12s once). Some of my latest rounds have been bad blowing it up a little bit...always to me this time of year after the long winter layoff. My all time low round is an 80 which I only shot one time. Still chasing the 70s. 3 buddies and I (all guys I went to Loyola with, 2 of which I also went to high school with) have gone on an annual golf trip starting in 2012. I have managed to sprinkle in a few one-off golf weekends to different destinations or have convinced the wife to let me go play while we have been on vacation lol. Our list of trips in order have been Pinehurst, Kiawah Island, Hawaii (one of the guys was living their for work in 2014), Scottsdale, Southern Cali, Myrtle Beach, and Whistling Straits. This year is that St. George, Utah trip I mentioned in a past post. My wife and I are going to visit some friends in Raleigh in June and I am going to play some golf with the guy (and probably some solo too). We are currently building a house in NJ and hoping to have kids soon so trying to get it in while I can! It doesnt escape me for a second that I have been pretty darn fortunate.
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Post by pippsheadache on Feb 20, 2019 16:16:55 GMT -5
I dont carry an official USGA handicap but I have been keeping all of my scores in an app on my phone dating back to August 2014 and it says I am a 14.3 handicap. This has probably fallen 4-5 strokes over that time and I think at my lowest it was around 13.0 (cant remember if I got into the 12s once). Some of my latest rounds have been bad blowing it up a little bit...always to me this time of year after the long winter layoff. My all time low round is an 80 which I only shot one time. Still chasing the 70s. 3 buddies and I (all guys I went to Loyola with, 2 of which I also went to high school with) have gone on an annual golf trip starting in 2012. I have managed to sprinkle in a few one-off golf weekends to different destinations or have convinced the wife to let me go play while we have been on vacation lol. Our list of trips in order have been Pinehurst, Kiawah Island, Hawaii (one of the guys was living their for work in 2014), Scottsdale, Southern Cali, Myrtle Beach, and Whistling Straits. This year is that St. George, Utah trip I mentioned in a past post. My wife and I are going to visit some friends in Raleigh in June and I am going to play some golf with the guy (and probably some solo too). We are currently building a house in NJ and hoping to have kids soon so trying to get it in while I can! It doesnt escape me for a second that I have been pretty darn fortunate. Jeez Joe, sounds like you are methodically running down the Golf Digest list of Top 100 public courses. Pinehurst, Whistling Straits, Scottsdale -- I am guessing the Ocean Course in Kiawah -- did you check out Harbour Town in Hilton Head while you were there? A good friend of mine is set to play there in a few weeks. Was Hawaii either Kapalua or the Prince Course? And is Shadow Creek on your agenda for when you get to Vegas? I am guessing yes. Since you are apparently in New Jersey, seems like Bethpage Black in NY is a natural for you. My nephew belongs to Oak Hill near Rochester and has invited me to play, but at this point in life I am trying to limit the opportunities to embarrass myself. I did go to the PGA Championship there a few years ago. And I am never the guy yelling "get in the hole."
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Feb 20, 2019 16:25:30 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Feb 20, 2019 16:25:30 GMT -5
So right now you’re at about where I was in my peak years. I never got as low as you, with my best being 85 (without cheating, mulligans, miscounting and other things I’ve seen “gentlemen” do on the golf course. I did once get back to back birdies on #7 and #8 with a near birdie par on #9 to finish the front side at 39, but I finished with an 86 that day after having had a blowup sometime early on the back 9. Actually, I just recalled that I shot 39 for nine one other time on the back side, and once was at 39 after nine when the skies opened up and ended my day early...Really disappointing.
I never touched a golf club until I was 39 years old, so you have a chance to surpass my old skill level if life doesn’t get in the way. I was never a real accurate hitter, though my six-handicap buddy that I learned from was complimentary of my tee to green skills. I lost a lot of shots around the green, and to me...I never felt like I hit enough fairways or greens...Long and a bit wild, very gutsy. I was a risk taker, and wouldn’t want to play any other way...
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Post by pippsheadache on Feb 20, 2019 16:27:14 GMT -5
BTW, I meant earlier to note on here the passing of one of golf's greats, Gene Littler, a few days ago. Inger at least is old enough to remember him. A golfer's golfer with what Gene Sarazen called "the perfect swing," thus his nickname "Gene the Machine." One of several top-tier golfers from San Diego, along with his boyhood pal Billy Casper -- maybe the most under-rated top-tier golfer of all time -- and of course Phil Mickelson and LPGA legend Mickey Wright.
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Feb 20, 2019 17:13:31 GMT -5
Inger, I am not afraid to take a mulligan here and there. My buddies and I are golf cheats by any stretch but we know we arent great players either haha.
Pipps, I have a funny story about Oak Hill I will post when I log back on tonight.
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Post by inger on Feb 20, 2019 17:19:13 GMT -5
BTW, I meant earlier to note on here the passing of one of golf's greats, Gene Littler, a few days ago. Inger at least is old enough to remember him. A golfer's golfer with what Gene Sarazen called "the perfect swing," thus his nickname "Gene the Machine." One of several top-tier golfers from San Diego, along with his boyhood pal Billy Casper -- maybe the most under-rated top-tier golfer of all time -- and of course Phil Mickelson and LPGA legend Mickey Wright. I recall the name, but had no interest in golf at that time...But the name was one that was often on the sports pages in the newspaper and the sports broadcasts on TV at night...So proof enough that he had some star power and was near the top of leader boards frequently... You know who I regret never having gotten to see play? Moe Norman. That had to be a trip. Weird set up and swing, odd personality quirks, a self taught golfer who is the still the post-humous sen-sei of Natural Golf, which is still sold to beginners. I understand he was incredibly shy and felt bullied on the PGA tour, so played primarily in Canada. Two neat stories...Once a caddy told him that he could reach the hole with a driver and nine iron, so he hit his nine iron off the tee and then hit his driver onto the the green for his second shot. One another occasion, instead of hitting short of a water hazard he couldn't carry, he bounced his shot off a bridge to carry the hazard...
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Post by pippsheadache on Feb 20, 2019 19:25:16 GMT -5
Inger, I am not afraid to take a mulligan here and there. My buddies and I are golf cheats by any stretch but we know we arent great players either haha. Pipps, I have a funny story about Oak Hill I will post when I log back on tonight. I think mulligans have been around since at least the 16th century. I don't think there has ever been a time when gambling and playing to the limits of the rules (and maybe just a bit beyond the limits) was not a part of golf. I look forward to your Oak Hill story. Although I've done nothing more than be a spectator there, I enjoyed the course, plus the cheapest PGA tickets and hospitality tent I ever experienced. Also, it's very close to the home of one of my favorite historical golfers, the amazing Walter Hagen.
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