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Post by kaybli on Feb 4, 2022 18:38:25 GMT -5
The best burger I've had was probably at Peter Luger's though my brother swears by one they serve at 4 Charles. I've been meaning to try it but it's impossible to get a reservation unless you're booking a month in advance.
Kaybli, while I never had a burger at Peter Luger, I have had steaks there that were off the charts. And the ambiance alone makes it worth the trip to Brooklyn. We needed our repeated Brooklyn fix when we lived in NYC. A world unto itself. I've been to Lugers at least 10, 11 times over the years. Usually get the porterhouse of course but once or twice came for lunch just to eat the burger. We found a place in Manhattan, Wolfgang's on 41st in Times Square, that's 90 percent of the quality of Lugers but without the hassle of going to Brooklyn or having to make a reservation weeks in advance. Its operated by the former head waiter of Lugers and the menu is basically the same. I really want to try 4 Charles, but again making a reservation there is pretty tough.
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Post by pippsheadache on Feb 4, 2022 18:56:50 GMT -5
Kaybli, while I never had a burger at Peter Luger, I have had steaks there that were off the charts. And the ambiance alone makes it worth the trip to Brooklyn. We needed our repeated Brooklyn fix when we lived in NYC. A world unto itself. I've been to Lugers at least 10, 11 times over the years. Usually get the porterhouse of course but once or twice came for lunch just to eat the burger. We found a place in Manhattan, Wolfgang's on 41st in Times Square, that's 90 percent of the quality of Lugers but without the hassle of going to Brooklyn or having to make a reservation weeks in advance. Its operated by the former head waiter of Lugers and the menu is basically the same. I really want to try 4 Charles, but again making a reservation there is pretty tough.
Some old-time steak places I remember from our time in NYC -- I think most are still around -- The Old Homestead in the Meat Packing District, which I believe is the oldest steakhouse in the US; PJ Clarke's on the East Side, where a scene from "Annie Hall" was filmed (and where Buddy Holly proposed to his wife); Gage and Tollner in Brooklyn, which was a beautiful place; and Keen's, an old classic where my brother and I would go before a Rangers' game (with the clay pipes on the ceiling.) Those are all very old school; do you know those? |
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Post by kaybli on Feb 4, 2022 19:05:08 GMT -5
I've been to Lugers at least 10, 11 times over the years. Usually get the porterhouse of course but once or twice came for lunch just to eat the burger. We found a place in Manhattan, Wolfgang's on 41st in Times Square, that's 90 percent of the quality of Lugers but without the hassle of going to Brooklyn or having to make a reservation weeks in advance. Its operated by the former head waiter of Lugers and the menu is basically the same. I really want to try 4 Charles, but again making a reservation there is pretty tough.
Some old-time steak places I remember from our time in NYC -- I think most are still around -- The Old Homestead in the Meat Packing District, which I believe is the oldest steakhouse in the US; PJ Clarke's on the East Side, where a scene from "Annie Hall" was filmed (and where Buddy Holly proposed to his wife); Gage and Tollner in Brooklyn, which was a beautiful place; and Keen's, an old classic where my brother and I would go before a Rangers' game (with the clay pipes on the ceiling.) Those are all very old school; do you know those? Yes, I've been to Old Homestead and Keen's. Here's some more Manhattan steak houses I've been to:
-Club A
-Sparks
-Quality Meats
-Del Frisco's
-Strip House
-BLT Prime
-Wolfgang's
-Porter House
-Bowery Meat Company
-Delmonico's
I need to try some more Brooklyn joints.
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Post by pippsheadache on Feb 4, 2022 20:16:10 GMT -5
How did I forget Sparks? That's legendary. John Gotti ordered a hit there back in the 80s. There was another mob hit at Umberto's House of Clams in Little Italy. They were very proud of the bullet holes in the wall.
Delmonico's I've been to. Never been to the Del Frisco in NYC, but have been to the one in Philly.
Another old steak place in NYC is Donahue's on the Upper East Side. It's a small family-owned place. You're about thirty years too young to fit the demographic.
I remember as a kid after a Yankees game my parents taking me and my brother to a Manhattan steak place called The Cattleman. That place was crazy -- waiters shooting cap guns, giant longhorn skulls and rifles everywhere, restaurant sing-a-longs with the piano player. But the best part was that they gave stagecoach rides around the city. Somehow I can't see that working in today's Manhattan.
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Post by rizzuto on Feb 4, 2022 20:24:41 GMT -5
Rizz, I should have known a culinary scholar like you would do some research on this. There are so many great burgers in this world it seems fatuous to narrow the honors down to one. But I truly did think that the burgers I had at The Cowboy Club were the best I ever had. I went four times over the course of a month -- I rarely make repeat visits to any restaurant during a short stay, but these were addictive. I had to force myself NOT to go. The Cowboy Club (previously the Oak Creek Tavern) got the name because the Cowboy Artists of America was founded there, established by a wonderful local artist -- and genuine dogie-roping cowpoke-- named Joe Beeler. One of my dearest friends ever was curator at the National Cowboy and Western Heritage Museum in Oklahoma City, and Joe was one of his pals. I had a small cattle-on-the-range painting Joe did that was unfortunately ruined when we had our house flood six years ago. So I felt an obligation to check the place out. Inger had mentioned eating cactus awhile back -- we did have an order of cactus fries there, along with a dip also derived from the prickly pear cactus. It was good, and not terribly adventurous. I think most anyone would enjoy it. My favorite chain burger is the California cult classic In'N'Out. We head off for Phoenix in a few days, and what used to be the furthest east In'N'Out is in Scottsdale, so we are tingling with anticipation for that. Not that anybody needs much incentive to go to San Diego, but your burger place gives me one more. Fatuous? Multiple visits assured acute empiricism to the task, which resulted in an informed opinion more reliable than mere subjectivity. I applaud you, Sir! There are two food items I refuse to touch: okra and nopales, which taste remarkably alike. There are now In N' Out Burgers in Texas, but they just are missing something - those in California are better for some reason. Double-Double Animal Style is my preference with a vanilla shake. The fries leave much to be desired, though. Foster's Freeze has one of my favorite shakes anywhere. I swear they use an entire carton of ice cream in one large shake. Here's an image of Hodad's burgers:   |
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Post by pippsheadache on Feb 4, 2022 20:37:57 GMT -5
Mmmm, I'm about to eat dinner and those Hodads are distracting me. Nice pic.
Double Animal style? I missed that variant, or maybe they still only had single Animal style when I was a regular. In deference to carb counting, my wife will stick with the protein burger, which defeats the whole purpose in my opinion.
The quality-conscious Snyder family long resisted offers to expand, but I think it's third generation now, and they appear to be more aggressive. Maybe that explains the situation in Texas.
EDIT: I just realized I misread your post. It was a double double burger, served Animal style. Mea culpa.
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Post by rizzuto on Feb 4, 2022 20:43:05 GMT -5
Mmmm, I'm about to eat dinner and those Hodads are distracting me. Nice pic. Double Animal style? I missed that variant, or maybe they still only had single Animal style when I was a regular. In deference to carb counting, my wife will stick with the protein burger, which defeats the whole purpose in my opinion. The quality-conscious Snyder family long resisted offers to expand, but I think it's third generation now, and they appear to be more aggressive. Maybe that explains the situation in Texas. EDIT: I just realized I misread your post. It was a double double burger, served Animal style. Mea culpa. For those who have never gone off the main menu at In N Out Burger, here is a link to an explanation of the double-double animal style: dinnerthendessert.com/in-n-out-cheeseburger/ |
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Post by pippsheadache on Feb 4, 2022 20:46:26 GMT -5
Rizz, I remember years ago reading about Brian and Carl Wilson getting fat on Foster's Freeze's Big Slushies.
That place is definitely not for calorie counters.
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Post by inger on Feb 4, 2022 22:16:04 GMT -5
You make me seem so tight. It’s a simple matter of negotiation. Mine will be plain so I assume a price reduction of 50 cents per condiment and .75 for the lettuce. We have a deal?… |
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Post by rizzuto on Feb 5, 2022 14:30:25 GMT -5
Considered the oldest restaurant in the world, the St. Peter Stiftskulinarium in Austria opened in 803 and served tafelspitz (boiled beef with minced apple and horseradish). Among the famous to dine there are Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and Clint Eastwood.
The oldest restaurant in the United States reportedly is located in Newport, Rhode Island called The White Horse Tavern, which a pirate named William Mayes opened in 1673.
Pipps, I’m putting these on your future travel itinerary, unless you have already dined at each, which would surprise none of us!
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Post by rizzuto on Feb 5, 2022 14:32:39 GMT -5
You make me seem so tight. It’s a simple matter of negotiation. Mine will be plain so I assume a price reduction of 50 cents per condiment and .75 for the lettuce. We have a deal?… Being that they would have to grill your burger three times as long, you just might have to pay full price anyway.  |
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Post by domeplease on Feb 5, 2022 14:56:39 GMT -5
Rizz, I should have known a culinary scholar like you would do some research on this. There are so many great burgers in this world it seems fatuous to narrow the honors down to one. But I truly did think that the burgers I had at The Cowboy Club were the best I ever had. I went four times over the course of a month -- I rarely make repeat visits to any restaurant during a short stay, but these were addictive. I had to force myself NOT to go. The Cowboy Club (previously the Oak Creek Tavern) got the name because the Cowboy Artists of America was founded there, established by a wonderful local artist -- and genuine dogie-roping cowpoke-- named Joe Beeler. One of my dearest friends ever was curator at the National Cowboy and Western Heritage Museum in Oklahoma City, and Joe was one of his pals. I had a small cattle-on-the-range painting Joe did that was unfortunately ruined when we had our house flood six years ago. So I felt an obligation to check the place out. Inger had mentioned eating cactus awhile back -- we did have an order of cactus fries there, along with a dip also derived from the prickly pear cactus. It was good, and not terribly adventurous. I think most anyone would enjoy it. My favorite chain burger is the California cult classic In'N'Out. We head off for Phoenix in a few days, and what used to be the furthest east In'N'Out is in Scottsdale, so we are tingling with anticipation for that. Not that anybody needs much incentive to go to San Diego, but your burger place gives me one more. Fatuous? Multiple visits assured acute empiricism to the task, which resulted in an informed opinion more reliable than mere subjectivity. I applaud you, Sir! There are two food items I refuse to touch: okra and nopales, which taste remarkably alike. There are now In N' Out Burgers in Texas, but they just are missing something - those in California are better for some reason. Double-Double Animal Style is my preference with a vanilla shake. The fries leave much to be desired, though. Foster's Freeze has one of my favorite shakes anywhere. I swear they use an entire carton of ice cream in one large shake. Here's an image of Hodad's burgers: GOD those Hodads look so DAMN GOOD. So good that I might just giove up sex for those Burgers...
NAH, jusyt kidding you all. You see, one can always get a Hodads, BUT one CANNOT always get Sex.
However if I could get Sex while also getting those three Hodads = A FOURSOME (and I am not talking about Golf...)
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Post by pippsheadache on Feb 5, 2022 16:45:37 GMT -5
Considered the oldest restaurant in the world, the St. Peter Stiftskulinarium in Austria opened in 803 and served tafelspitz (boiled beef with minced apple and horseradish). Among the famous to dine there are Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and Clint Eastwood. The oldest restaurant in the United States reportedly is located in Newport, Rhode Island called The White Horse Tavern, which a pirate named William Mayes opened in 1673. Pipps, I’m putting these on your future travel itinerary, unless you have already dined at each, which would surprise none of us! Ah, sitting here on our sun-splashed patio having my afternoon G&T on what sadly is our last night in beautiful Sedona. But we're off to one of our favorite places in the US tomorrow, The Biltmore in Phoenix, to ease the pain. We'll muddle through somehow. I'm afraid I've never been to St. Peter Schicklegruber von Spaetzelmeister in Austria. I've been to Mozart's birthplace in Salzburg, and to the Estates Theater in Prague where he conducted the premiere of "Don Giovanni," but alas have not experienced tafelspitz, although it sounds very good. I think German food gets somewhat of a bad rap. It's not French or Italian, but on a cold winter's day it gives you the strength to carry on. Now I have been to the White Horse twice and loved it. Great food, great atmosphere. I've been to Newport many times, both for business and pleasure (well it's always a pleasure.) The mansions get to be cloying very quickly, but the cliff-walk, the boating activities, and the town and restaurants are among my favorite things in New England. Don't know if you've been there, but unless you have a friend with a yacht, maybe the most fun thing in Newport is the International Tennis Hall of Fame. The setting alone, in an elegant old Monte Carlo-style Casino, makes it worth the visit. Great exhibits and a well-presented history of the sport. As HOFs go, it's right near the top. I had forgotten that the White Horse was the oldest restaurant in the US, so now I'm congratulating myself for going there. Somewhat similar in style and era, but far inferior in both food and management, is the more famous Longfellow's Wayside Inn west of Boston. It claims to be the oldest Inn in America (it's also a hotel). It's been awhile since I was there, but they definitely had some work to do. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Feb 5, 2022 17:53:38 GMT -5
Oh, I meant to mention my Yankee connection to Newport. Back in 2006, after a business lunch, I was strolling around the town and went past a tacky souvenir shop. In the window they were a displaying a T-shirt that had that stupid meme from the era of a bratty-looking kid peeing, but this time the target was a Yankee cap.
I know it's not worthy of attention, but after two years of living in Boston and taking abuse from Red Sox fans, I decided to contact the Yankees' legal department to inform them of what appeared to be a copyright violation.
They actually responded quickly to my email. I don't know exactly what action they took, but I do know that a few months later I was back in Newport to check on that shop. Not a peeing kid in sight. Maybe they had just sold out, but I don't think so. My good deed for the day.
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Post by kaybli on Feb 5, 2022 17:59:28 GMT -5
Oh, I meant to mention my Yankee connection to Newport. Back in 2006, after a business lunch, I was strolling around the town and went past a tacky souvenir shop. In the window they were a displaying a T-shirt that had that stupid meme from the era of a bratty-looking kid peeing, but this time the target was a Yankee cap. I know it's not worthy of attention, but after two years of living in Boston and taking abuse from Red Sox fans, I decided to contact the Yankees' legal department to inform them of what appeared to be a copyright violation. They actually responded quickly to my email. I don't know exactly what action they took, but I do know that a few months later I was back in Newport to check on that shop. Not a peeing kid in sight. Maybe they had just sold out, but I don't think so. My good deed for the day.  |
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