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Post by greatfatness on Feb 26, 2019 17:47:24 GMT -5
Based on everything Cashman has said I don’t think this has altered their approach to free agents at all. On the other hand, they have significantly invested in analytics between the time they signed him and today. So they might well make different decisions (they would not for example have traded for Luke Voit back then) but I think that has a lot more to do with the maturity of Cashman’s analytics team and the culture of the front office than being burned by Ellsbury not turning out the way they had hoped. Possibly, but I suspect the analytics team tells them that taking a player from another team with very high salary and long contracts rarely works. Which is why they won't sign those type of players (and have not for a while for the most part).
I think the majors has decided this generally which is why so few teams bid on these type of contracts. There are exceptions, but they are rare.
I don’t think that’s true at all. And I don’t think the facts support that it is rare and definitely not more rare than it previously has been. On the other hand, it goes without saying that if you can develop your own talent that’s better than paying for someone else’s. That’s not a new idea. They did it in the late 90s as well. There wasn’t an epiphany about that. The reason they spent all the money they did the last two times the Yankees dumped significant money on free agents is that the crop of minor leaguers anticipated to co tribute failed. Otherwise, if Judge, Sanchez, Andujar or Torres had similarly failed they would have gone out to the market to fill that need. When internal development fails, the business has to pay a premium to acquire it. It always has been preferable to develop it and it won’t stop becoming an option to acquire it. What’s changed is the circumstances because of the great recent success in player development, not the strategy. If Mason Williams or Slade Heatcott develop differently into the players they thought they were drafting maybe they don’t sign Ellsbury. |
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Post by noetsi on Feb 26, 2019 18:02:53 GMT -5
I think the Arod renewal, the 2nd contract is a better sign of yankee decision making. One made not by the professional, but by the Steinbrenner family (or those they appointed). I suspect that a lot of the free agency decisions by the Yankees that went bad were not made by baseball professionals.
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Post by greatfatness on Feb 26, 2019 18:55:49 GMT -5
I think the Arod renewal, the 2nd contract is a better sign of yankee decision making. One made not by the professional, but by the Steinbrenner family (or those they appointed). I suspect that a lot of the free agency decisions by the Yankees that went bad were not made by baseball professionals. Well it is well established that decision was made by Hank and just as clear that he’s not involved in the management of the team anymore. |
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Post by noetsi on Feb 26, 2019 19:06:04 GMT -5
I think the Arod renewal, the 2nd contract is a better sign of yankee decision making. One made not by the professional, but by the Steinbrenner family (or those they appointed). I suspect that a lot of the free agency decisions by the Yankees that went bad were not made by baseball professionals. Well it is well established that decision was made by Hank and just as clear that he’s not involved in the management of the team anymore. I think there were a lot of those decisions in the past. And I think that its not coincidental we make fewer of them now. |
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Post by greatfatness on Feb 26, 2019 19:43:18 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Feb 26, 2019 19:47:11 GMT -5
Well, I hope he forces them to put him on the MLB squad as soon as possible. He has nothing left to prove at Scranton. |
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Post by greatfatness on Feb 26, 2019 19:49:24 GMT -5
Well, I hope he forces them to put him on the MLB squad as soon as possible. He has nothing left to prove at Scranton. Really just health and being able to play regularly. Hopefully this doesn’t cause Clint to push Gardner down the stairs when he’s not looking. |
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Post by kaybli on Feb 26, 2019 19:52:50 GMT -5
Well, I hope he forces them to put him on the MLB squad as soon as possible. He has nothing left to prove at Scranton. Really just health and being able to play regularly. Hopefully this doesn’t cause Clint to push Gardner down the stairs when he’s not looking.  |
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Post by noetsi on Feb 26, 2019 21:03:27 GMT -5
I guess if he pushes him down the steps when he is looking he has potential  |
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Post by chiyankee on Feb 26, 2019 21:06:24 GMT -5
I think the Arod renewal, the 2nd contract is a better sign of yankee decision making. One made not by the professional, but by the Steinbrenner family (or those they appointed). I suspect that a lot of the free agency decisions by the Yankees that went bad were not made by baseball professionals. A major turning point in Yankee history. |
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Post by chiyankee on Feb 26, 2019 21:18:10 GMT -5
Well, I hope he forces them to put him on the MLB squad as soon as possible. He has nothing left to prove at Scranton. We can blame Frazier starting at triple a on the recent trend of teams carrying 13 pitchers, one less position player available for the roster. |
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Post by inger on Feb 26, 2019 22:29:17 GMT -5
Well, I hope he forces them to put him on the MLB squad as soon as possible. He has nothing left to prove at Scranton. We can blame Frazier starting at triple a on the recent trend of teams carrying 13 pitchers, one less position player available for the roster. And we could blame Bird going to AAA on the twelfth pitcher, and Higgy on the 11th pitcher. I miss those days of 4 regular starting pitchers and a six man pen that included a swing man... |
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Post by greatfatness on Feb 27, 2019 5:23:55 GMT -5
Well, I hope he forces them to put him on the MLB squad as soon as possible. He has nothing left to prove at Scranton. We can blame Frazier starting at triple a on the recent trend of teams carrying 13 pitchers, one less position player available for the roster. I think with all the time he's missed you want him playing every day. I'd rather have him in the lineup at SWB than on the bench in NY. I'm sure Frazier would rather have the major league paycheck and lifestyle rather than riding a bus in the IL though. |
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Feb 27, 2019 7:50:42 GMT -5
I think the Arod renewal, the 2nd contract is a better sign of yankee decision making. One made not by the professional, but by the Steinbrenner family (or those they appointed). I suspect that a lot of the free agency decisions by the Yankees that went bad were not made by baseball professionals. That was 11 years ago... |
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Post by inger on Feb 27, 2019 10:59:59 GMT -5
I think the Arod renewal, the 2nd contract is a better sign of yankee decision making. One made not by the professional, but by the Steinbrenner family (or those they appointed). I suspect that a lot of the free agency decisions by the Yankees that went bad were not made by baseball professionals. That was 11 years ago... Yes, but he hasn't quite gotten that ground into a fine powder yet...  |
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