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Post by inger on Jun 15, 2019 21:48:20 GMT -5
I don’t think they’re trading him. I think he’s their DH. I think Frazier is getting traded and Gardner goes back to being a backup as planned. wouldn't they get more for Frazier if they let him develop more? They would risk injury. Deal him while he’s looking good, at least with the bat. and he hasn’t bitched up a play in the OF in two weeks, so hurry...
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 15, 2019 22:31:29 GMT -5
Please not for Madison Bumgarner.
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Post by inger on Jun 15, 2019 22:46:12 GMT -5
Please not for Madison Bumgarner. I agree... Scary move if you give up a strong player...I’d take Bumgarner, given the state of our pitching staff, but he wouldn’t net Frazier back...
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Post by inger on Jun 15, 2019 23:01:20 GMT -5
Please not for Madison Bumgarner. I think the Giants would want some younger players. I’d be tempted to allow Rony (not Devi) García to go and an outfielder from A ball not named Dermis García. I think Mike Ford is a fantastic chip right now, but with his .333 average and .420 OBP, I want more than Bumgarner for him.
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Post by kaybli on Jun 16, 2019 2:28:25 GMT -5
OK folks build your lineups! Here's mine:
3B LaMahieu (R)
RF Judge (R) SS Gregorius (L) LF Stanton (R) C Sanchez (R) DH Encarnacion (R) 1B Voit (R) 2B Torres (R)
CF Hicks (S)
Bench: Gardner, Urshela, Romine
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Post by inger on Jun 16, 2019 7:52:08 GMT -5
OK folks build your lineups! Here's mine:
3B LaMahieu (R)
RF Judge (R) SS Gregorius (L) LF Stanton (R) C Sanchez (R) DH Encarnacion (R) 1B Voit (R) 2B Torres (R)
CF Hicks (S)
Bench: Gardner, Urshela, Romine
I still like Gardner in the lineup vs. right-handed power pitchers, though with EE’s lack of foot speed he may get to replace him on the bases frequently...
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Post by greatfatness on Jun 16, 2019 8:59:55 GMT -5
Please not for Madison Bumgarner. I think the Giants would want some younger players. I’d be tempted to allow Rony (not Devi) García to go and an outfielder from A ball not named Dermis García. I think Mike Ford is a fantastic chip right now, but with his .333 average and .420 OBP, I want more than Bumgarner for him. I would bet the league doesn’t value Mike Ford as highly as you do. He’s old for AAA and didn’t look like a major leaguer when we were forced to promote him. I don’t see a team trading for him unless they also need an emergency backup to the backup 1B.
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Post by greatfatness on Jun 16, 2019 9:00:49 GMT -5
Please not for Madison Bumgarner. I agree... Scary move if you give up a strong player...I’d take Bumgarner, given the state of our pitching staff, but he wouldn’t net Frazier back... I think the Giants will get more than Frazier for him, if not from the Yankees than someone else.
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Post by greatfatness on Jun 16, 2019 9:04:38 GMT -5
I don’t think they’re trading him. I think he’s their DH. I think Frazier is getting traded and Gardner goes back to being a backup as planned. wouldn't they get more for Frazier if they let him develop more? Maybe, if you believe he’s capable of becoming a competent OF. More importantly that means that they’re not using him now to address a current pressing need for the major league team. Which would mean they’re trading someone else instead, perhaps someone of more value to the team long term than Frazier. This seems pretty obvious to me. They traded for a guy who can’t field a position but who mashes at the plate. That was Clint’s role on the team. They probably made this deal in part because the price was so low but also because it makes it easy to say goodbye to Frazier. I think he signed his ticket out of town a few weeks ago when he couldn’t man up after shitting the bed in the field and his teammates had to speak for him. That’s not the way this team operates.
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Post by domeplease on Jun 16, 2019 9:23:23 GMT -5
WOW!!! WHY???
www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/edwin-encarnacion-trade-grades-yankees-pile-on-power-mariners-add-long-term-asset/ar-AACWCKn Yankees: B-
The first question that comes to mind: How many DHs do the Yankees need? Giancarlo Stanton is nearing a return from the injured list and Aaron Judge may be back shortly after Stanton is activated. Those guys figure to need a lot of at-bats in the role as manager Aaron Boone tries to keep his top four outfielders healthy and sharp. That doesn't even include DH days for catcher Gary Sanchez.
Encarnacion, 36, started 45 games at first base for the M's, his most at the position since 2016, but Luke Voit is entrenched there and DJ LeMahieu has played it in his role as a super utilityman. There would seem to be little need for Encarnacion to spell Voit when LeMahieu, a better fielder who is also carrying an .804 OPS, is already available one or two days a week.
One other issue: Encarnacion bats right-handed. The Yanks, on paper at least, could use a left-handed stick for the corner infield spots. Only Brett Gardner, Aaron Hicks, Didi Gregorius and Mike Tauchman swing from the left side (and Tauchman is a candidate to be removed from the roster to make room for Encarnacion). Kendrys Morales was a lefty first base/DH option, but he failed to hit before going on the injured list this week with a calf strain. There's a lot of time to address that area, but right now the lineup leans far to the right.
Encarnacion won't come cheaply, either, even if the Mariners kick in half of the $15 million or so in guaranteed money still owed to Encarnacion, as The Athletic's Ken Rosenthal reported. Much of the Mariners' contribution might, in fact, come from the Rays, who reportedly still owe the M's $2.5 million of the $5 million they agreed to take on as part of the aforementioned three-team trade.
And, as Baseball Twitter gently pointed out Saturday night, Encarnacion doesn't pitch. The Yankees need pitching. That's another move, involving other players, for another day.
The Yankees probably aren't worrying about any of those things right now because they just rented a player who was leading the American League with 21 home runs and had a .241/.356/.531 slash line entering Saturday's games. READ MORE...
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Post by chiyankee on Jun 16, 2019 9:40:41 GMT -5
I learned about this trade during last night's game and was very surprised, since I don't think anyone saw this coming. The Yanks didn't give up much for him and he can hit HR's and draw walks, but he has no versatility defensively and is another right handed bat on a team could use another lefty or two. This also means Stanton will be playing a lot of LF and who knows how his legs will hold up playing in the field everyday. The Yankees hit a lot of HR's and they will even more now, but they will be worse defensively and they still need at least one more starting pitcher.
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Post by domeplease on Jun 16, 2019 9:59:24 GMT -5
WOW!!! WHY???
www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/edwin-encarnacion-trade-grades-yankees-pile-on-power-mariners-add-long-term-asset/ar-AACWCKn Yankees: B-
The first question that comes to mind: How many DHs do the Yankees need? Giancarlo Stanton is nearing a return from the injured list and Aaron Judge may be back shortly after Stanton is activated. Those guys figure to need a lot of at-bats in the role as manager Aaron Boone tries to keep his top four outfielders healthy and sharp. That doesn't even include DH days for catcher Gary Sanchez.
Encarnacion, 36, started 45 games at first base for the M's, his most at the position since 2016, but Luke Voit is entrenched there and DJ LeMahieu has played it in his role as a super utilityman. There would seem to be little need for Encarnacion to spell Voit when LeMahieu, a better fielder who is also carrying an .804 OPS, is already available one or two days a week.
One other issue: Encarnacion bats right-handed. The Yanks, on paper at least, could use a left-handed stick for the corner infield spots. Only Brett Gardner, Aaron Hicks, Didi Gregorius and Mike Tauchman swing from the left side (and Tauchman is a candidate to be removed from the roster to make room for Encarnacion). Kendrys Morales was a lefty first base/DH option, but he failed to hit before going on the injured list this week with a calf strain. There's a lot of time to address that area, but right now the lineup leans far to the right.
Encarnacion won't come cheaply, either, even if the Mariners kick in half of the $15 million or so in guaranteed money still owed to Encarnacion, as The Athletic's Ken Rosenthal reported. Much of the Mariners' contribution might, in fact, come from the Rays, who reportedly still owe the M's $2.5 million of the $5 million they agreed to take on as part of the aforementioned three-team trade.
And, as Baseball Twitter gently pointed out Saturday night, Encarnacion doesn't pitch. The Yankees need pitching. That's another move, involving other players, for another day.
The Yankees probably aren't worrying about any of those things right now because they just rented a player who was leading the American League with 21 home runs and had a .241/.356/.531 slash line entering Saturday's games. READ MORE...
bleacherreport.com/articles/2840837-edwin-encarnacion-is-mlbs-most-underappreciated-power-hitter-of-a-generation?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral
Edwin Encarnacion can hit a baseball.
He's proved that by smashing 32 or more home runs in every completed season since 2012. This year, at age 36, he's cleared the fence an American League-leading 21 times in 65 games for the Seattle Mariners, which puts him on pace for roughly 48 homers.
That's...let's do the math...a lot. It'd also be a career high.
Over the winter, Encarnacion was dealt from the Cleveland Indians to the Mariners in a three-team swap that involved the Tampa Bay Rays and was largely about dumping salary for the Tribe. Before that, he spent significant time with the Cincinnati Reds and Toronto Blue Jays.
Wherever he's gone, he's raked.
Among active players, his 401 dingers leave him behind only the Los Angeles Angels' Albert Pujols (644 home runs) and the Detroit Tigers' Miguel Cabrera (468 home runs).
Between 2012 and Wednesday, he's hit an MLB-leading 284 home runs, with Nelson Cruz (265) and Mike Trout (253) checking in at Nos. 2 and 3, respectively. During the same stretch, he leads both leagues with 813 RBI. Cruz is second with 716. Pujols is fourth (688), Cabrera is fifth (678) and Trout is sixth (676).
Pujols. Cabrera. Trout. Those are Hall of Fame candidates, if not Cooperstown shoo-ins. Encarnacion is squarely in their midst, even if he was grossly underrated as far back as 2014 and is rarely—if ever—name-dropped as their worthy peer.
READ MORE...
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Post by greatfatness on Jun 16, 2019 10:11:42 GMT -5
I learned about this trade during last night's game and was very surprised, since I don't think anyone saw this coming. The Yanks didn't give up much for him and he can hit HR's and draw walks, but he has no versatility defensively and is another right handed bat on a team could use another lefty or two. This also means Stanton will be playing a lot of LF and who knows how his legs will hold up playing in the field everyday. The Yankees hit a lot of HR's and they will even more now, but they will be worse defensively and they still need at least one more starting pitcher. Seems this was done because it makes it really easy to trade Frazier who has a similar offensive and defensive profile. That and the price was really low. If Cashman had interest in Frazier this serials his ability to consider that.
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Post by kaybli on Jun 16, 2019 10:32:24 GMT -5
I think Mike Ford is a fantastic chip right now, but with his .333 average and .420 OBP, I want more than Bumgarner for him. LOL, whats with your overestimated love of Ford inger? I thought you were joking at first. Offer him straight up for Bumgarner and the Giants would laugh at you. Ford is not a top prospect by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 16, 2019 11:12:34 GMT -5
I think Mike Ford is a fantastic chip right now, but with his .333 average and .420 OBP, I want more than Bumgarner for him. LOL, whats with your overestimated love of Ford inger? I thought you were joking at first. Offer him straight up for Bumgarner and the Giants would laugh at you. Ford is not a top prospect by any stretch of the imagination. Inger has him confused with Whitey Ford. I make those cross-generational mistakes myself. Hey Inger, remember Disco Dan Ford, the OFer with the Orioles and several other teams? That nickname forever brands the era he played in.
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