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Post by greatfatness on Nov 7, 2019 15:55:44 GMT -5
Man, he was there during some dark days. Compared to the guy he replaced, Bob Geren, he wasn't so bad. Brian Dorsett, Don Slaught -- I have bad memories of those teams. Maybe after this thread we could do one for worst Yankee catchers of all time. Jimmy Leyritz Leyritz is a great example of someone who had an enormous delta between how good he was and how good he thought he was. |
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Post by kaybli on Nov 7, 2019 16:51:08 GMT -5
Man, he was there during some dark days. Compared to the guy he replaced, Bob Geren, he wasn't so bad. Brian Dorsett, Don Slaught -- I have bad memories of those teams. Maybe after this thread we could do one for worst Yankee catchers of all time. Jimmy Leyritz Wil Nieves. |
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Post by inger on Nov 7, 2019 17:16:07 GMT -5
Chris “Stewie” Stewart... First in the heart of Joe Girardi. Last in the (offensive) catcher ratings... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Nov 7, 2019 17:20:02 GMT -5
Sal Fasano (although MrG liked him.)
Juan Espino, for those of you old enough to remember he 1980s.
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Post by pippsheadache on Nov 7, 2019 17:29:07 GMT -5
Leyritz is a great example of someone who had an enormous delta between how good he was and how good he thought he was. What a train wreck his life turned into. I remember being at a game at Silver Stadium in Rochester back in the early 90s. The Yankees then AAA team was the Columbus Clippers and they were in town. to play the Orioles AAA team. I went down to the bullpen area where Jim Leyritz was warming up a pitcher name Kevin Mmahat(that's not a typo.) Leyritz was simultaneously hitting on any decent-looking girl in the area and exchanging wisecracks with the guys they were with. It was pretty entertaining, although you could see what a genuine smartass he was even then. He did hit some big post season home runs, though, and not just the one off Mark Wohlers. Eight post-season homers in 61 ABs, nothing to sneeze at. |
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Post by inger on Nov 7, 2019 17:32:51 GMT -5
Sal Fasano (although MrG liked him.) Juan Espino, for those of you old enough to remember he 1980s. Sal Fasano with the Mario Brothers mustache. Juan Espino... Didn’t he play Epstein on Welcome Back Kotter?... (: Brad Gulden. Since he was following Munson, my eyes welled up a couple of times watching him behind the plate. They welled up when he was batting, too. I’m not sure how much of that was for Munson, though... |
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Post by inger on Nov 7, 2019 17:45:20 GMT -5
Leyritz is a great example of someone who had an enormous delta between how good he was and how good he thought he was. What a train wreck his life turned into. I remember being at a game at Silver Stadium in Rochester back in the early 90s. The Yankees then AAA team was the Columbus Clippers and they were in town. to play the Orioles AAA team. I went down to the bullpen area where Jim Leyritz was warming up a pitcher name Kevin Mmahat(that's not a typo.) Leyritz was simultaneously hitting on any decent-looking girl in the area and exchanging wisecracks with the guys they were with. It was pretty entertaining, although you could see what a genuine smartass he was even then. He did hit some big post season home runs, though, and not just the one off Mark Wohlers. Eight post-season homers in 61 ABs, nothing to sneeze at. I liked Leyritz back in the day. Versatility. Pop. Patience. Fair BA, Good OBP/SLG. I won’t be too critical of the catching since it was usually in a third string-type situation...But he did have a strong arm. Not remembering if he could control the running game at all with it, though... |
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Post by kaybli on Nov 7, 2019 17:54:21 GMT -5
Chris “Stewie” Stewart... First in the heart of Joe Girardi. Last in the (offensive) catcher ratings... That time period after Posada and before Sanchez was an interesting time for Yankee catchers. |
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Post by inger on Nov 7, 2019 18:16:06 GMT -5
Chris “Stewie” Stewart... First in the heart of Joe Girardi. Last in the (offensive) catcher ratings... That time period after Posada and before Sanchez was an interesting time for Yankee catchers. Interesting? That’s a good word for it, I suppose. The Holocaust was interesting for Jewish people and the settling of the American West was interesting for Native Americans in much the same way... |
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Post by inger on Nov 7, 2019 22:56:53 GMT -5
For Fatness, and the rest of you (and especially me)... When I went back and broke down the numbers for Matt Nokes, I took Wynegar out of all equations because he had finished last in the 8-man rankings so I could use the same 1-8 point scoring system. Here is what I found.
Nokes .249 BA, his .304 OPB were each last in the group (16 points).
His SLG. of .437 was 6th and his OPS of 103+ was 8th (14 points). The thirty point total was 30, which was much higher than that of the 21 point negative that Wynegar had totaled on offense. Therefore he is 9th out of 9 in offensive performance in the total group (but only scoring 8 due to the removal of Wynegar.
His defensive rankings:
Range (sorry, I lost the number here) was 6th.
CS percentage was -3, which was 8th.
Field Pct. -1, or 6th
PB @.930/ 6th
Pick-offs @.018 was 7th
The total of 33 at this point was tied for 7th With Schang. One point ahead of Posada.
8 points for offense, 7 points for defense = 15
When adding the 8 points he would be charged with because he had the fewest innings caught, that’s 23.
In the perspective of the total list, he finishes 9th, three points behind the still 8th place Wynegar.
Nonetheless, he served well. No shame at the bottom of this list...
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Post by inger on Nov 7, 2019 23:01:02 GMT -5
Do you guys think that the biggest emphasis should be on offense or defense at catcher?
What percentage out of 100 would you put on the one you prefer from the position?
Everyone knows that I’m into leather, right? (:
I’m thinking 65% defense is the most important at catcher. The bat still retains a sizable role...And like at most positions, the bigger the bat the better. As long as the fielder is preventing runs at an above average rate...
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Post by sierchio on Nov 8, 2019 11:52:15 GMT -5
Who can forget our lil teddy tear Jose Molina?? And those who wanted him to start over Posada... I'd sacrifice defense at catcher for offense anyday... which I guess is why I was always fine with Sanchez and Posada... my only concern is the wear and tear taking them out of the lineup. SSS but Gary HAS hit better on days he DH'd..
As long as he's NOT allowing runs at an above average rate I'm okay with him... if he's below average on D, that's not cool , but if he's league average... give me the stick
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Post by greatfatness on Nov 8, 2019 12:38:12 GMT -5
For Fatness, and the rest of you (and especially me)... When I went back and broke down the numbers for Matt Nokes, I took Wynegar out of all equations because he had finished last in the 8-man rankings so I could use the same 1-8 point scoring system. Here is what I found. Nokes .249 BA, his .304 OPB were each last in the group (16 points). His SLG. of .437 was 6th and his OPS of 103+ was 8th (14 points). The thirty point total was 30, which was much higher than that of the 21 point negative that Wynegar had totaled on offense. Therefore he is 9th out of 9 in offensive performance in the total group (but only scoring 8 due to the removal of Wynegar. His defensive rankings: Range (sorry, I lost the number here) was 6th. CS percentage was -3, which was 8th. Field Pct. -1, or 6th PB @.930/ 6th Pick-offs @.018 was 7th The total of 33 at this point was tied for 7th With Schang. One point ahead of Posada. 8 points for offense, 7 points for defense = 15 When adding the 8 points he would be charged with because he had the fewest innings caught, that’s 23. In the perspective of the total list, he finishes 9th, three points behind the still 8th place Wynegar. Nonetheless, he served well. No shame at the bottom of this list... I was just joking, Inger.  |
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Post by pippsheadache on Nov 8, 2019 14:20:22 GMT -5
Who can forget our lil teddy tear Jose Molina?? And those who wanted him to start over Posada... I'd sacrifice defense at catcher for offense anyday... which I guess is why I was always fine with Sanchez and Posada... my only concern is the wear and tear taking them out of the lineup. SSS but Gary HAS hit better on days he DH'd.. As long as he's NOT allowing runs at an above average rate I'm okay with him... if he's below average on D, that's not cool , but if he's league average... give me the stick I had forgotten that Jose Molina was with the Yankees for three years (2007-2009) and that in 2008 he actually got into 100 games due to injuries to Posada. Chad Moeller got into 41 games and a washed-up Pudge Rodriguez played in 33. Jorge was only in 51 games that year. Phew that was an old team. Out of the nine everyday players, only two -- Robby Cano at 25 and Melky Cabrera at 23 -- were under 32 years old. Guys like Xavier Nady and Wilson Betamit saw significant playing time. Morgan Ensberg, Cody Ransom, Justin Christian and Richie Sexson all had plenty of action. The third-most starts for a pitcher went to Darrell Rasner. But somehow they managed to go 89-73, even though they did not make the post-season. |
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Post by sierchio on Nov 8, 2019 16:51:49 GMT -5
And then following all that failure, the off season happen and we got 2009
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