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Post by inger on Aug 1, 2019 22:56:12 GMT -5
Its been 9 years since we were in a WS inger. Maybe its time to focus on today. As Lord Keynes said in the long run we will all be dead. Its hard for me to believe Atlanta found 3 relief pitchers and we found zero if we tried. I don't believe it was impossible for us to get someone better than Green or Cessa in relief. Maybe I am wrong. Tampa up 8-4 in the 8th It has been ten years, and what is your evidence that Cashman did not try? Some of the offers made to various teams and their outrageous counters have been reported in print. Such discussion and negotiation presupposes attempts/effort. Therefore, you are wrong. But as Yankee fans we have a birthright to being in the World Series, right? I mean, ten years? TEN years? So what, the odds are one in 15 years, and most teams aren't fortunate to do that on a consistent basis. But, we cry because the Yankees are the Yankees. We have all the same advantages the Yankees had in the 20's-30s-40s-50's-60's, right? Uh, no... We no longer play in one division leagues with only one champion. We no longer have a clear advantage in income. We no longer have idiot, cash strapped, patsy owners like we had a various times in the past. I'm only telling you this because if I tell Russ he'll bend it like Beckham...Like Gumby...He'll stretch it like Stretch Armstrong. Plus, he said right in this thread he was through with the subject and was going to move on. He'll need Metamucil because movin on ain't easy for that lad... |
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Post by noetsi on Aug 2, 2019 0:18:19 GMT -5
I have not seen any evidence that we made an offer for Bauer or the other pitchers traded which was better than (or even equal to) what other teams offered and were turned down - although I would like to. What Cashman has said he talked a lot but they never got close to a deal with anyone. Boston has 3 world series in that period inger? How do you think they managed that? With financial resources significantly less than the Yankees (the richest franchise in the US if not the world_. Maybe by trading for elite players? This is of their 2018 WS team "As noted in the intro, the Red Sox received more production from trades during the regular season than by any other means. Three of their four postseason starters were acquired in trades as was their closer and, on some days, three-fourths of their infield. " www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/world-series-2018-how-the-red-sox-built-their-al-champion-roster-through-trades-free-agency-and-the-draft/In fairness we traded for starters too at times. We just did not trade for very good ones, like Paxton. Which I believe, although I know no one else, is tied to our unwillingness to trade elite players. You are wrong we don't have a clear advantage in income. "The New York Yankees are the most valuable team ($4.6 billion) and had local revenue of $712 million last year, the most in MLB and more than the bottom six teams (Miami Marlins, Tampa Bay Rays, Oakland Athletics, Kansas City Royals, Cincinnati Reds and Baltimore Orioles) had combined. The Dodgers ($3.3 billion), Boston Red Sox ($3.2 billion), Chicago Cubs ($3.1 billion) and San Francisco Giants ($3 billion) round out the list of teams worth at least $3 billion." www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/04/10/baseball-team-values-2019-yankees-lead-league-at-46-billion/#1a3c73fd69b2 The steinbrenners have made it clear recently they would pay more to have a championship "Yankees owner Hal Steinbrenner would consider boosting payroll above the third luxury tax level in an effort to help New York win its first World Series in a decade." www.northjersey.com/sports/So the Steinbrenners share my view that the Yankees not winning a championship in a decade is not very good. |
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Post by bluemarlin on Aug 2, 2019 0:35:48 GMT -5
So the logic is I guess that all teams with good players treat the Yankees differently than every other team even though teams like Houston have had better success than us recently and the Yankees have less prospects to trade than other teams. (I posted what each team who traded had to trade in terms of prospects the other day)So they ask more from the Yankees, who have less to offer, than everyone else including teams like Houston. I have not seen any evidence that is true - although I would like to. Cashman claims its true, which is of course convenient for him. I have not seen confirmation of what he claims. Boston has 3 world series in that period inger? How do you think they managed that? With financial resources significantly less than the Yankees (the richest franchise in the US if not the world_. Maybe by trading for elite players? This is of their 2018 WS team "As noted in the intro, the Red Sox received more production from trades during the regular season than by any other means. Three of their four postseason starters were acquired in trades as was their closer and, on some days, three-fourths of their infield. " www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/world-series-2018-how-the-red-sox-built-their-al-champion-roster-through-trades-free-agency-and-the-draft/In fairness we traded for starters too at times. We just did not trade for very good ones, like Paxton. Which I believe, although I know no one else, is tied to our unwillingness to trade elite players. You are wrong we don't have a clear advantage in income. "The New York Yankees are the most valuable team ($4.6 billion) and had local revenue of $712 million last year, the most in MLB and more than the bottom six teams (Miami Marlins, Tampa Bay Rays, Oakland Athletics, Kansas City Royals, Cincinnati Reds and Baltimore Orioles) had combined. The Dodgers ($3.3 billion), Boston Red Sox ($3.2 billion), Chicago Cubs ($3.1 billion) and San Francisco Giants ($3 billion) round out the list of teams worth at least $3 billion." www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/04/10/baseball-team-values-2019-yankees-lead-league-at-46-billion/#1a3c73fd69b2 The steinbrenners have made it clear recently they would pay more to have a championship "Yankees owner Hal Steinbrenner would consider boosting payroll above the third luxury tax level in an effort to help New York win its first World Series in a decade." www.northjersey.com/sports/ If the Yankees had made the better judgment to sign Patrick Corbin rather than J Happ, and then Dallas Keuchel mid-season, this trade deadline thing wouldn't have mattered one bit. That's the bottom line. Ownership didn't want to spend the extra $25 mil. It would have cut too much into their $350M profit. |
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Post by noetsi on Aug 2, 2019 0:42:28 GMT -5
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Post by greatfatness on Aug 2, 2019 10:08:31 GMT -5
I agree getting Stroman from the Jays was probably the Yanks best chance to land a front line starting pitcher but will we ever know what the price would have been? Did the Yanks have to offer more than Garcia? If so, how much more? What I do know is that with CC being out at least a couple more weeks, Stroman would have been a big help. I agree. But I would not have traded Garcia for Stroman. There’s a good chance next season Garcia will be as effective as Stroman and then cost controlled for several years to go along with Severino, German, Montgomery. We could have a young and very good rotation for several years. |
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Post by inger on Aug 2, 2019 12:42:18 GMT -5
I agree getting Stroman from the Jays was probably the Yanks best chance to land a front line starting pitcher but will we ever know what the price would have been? Did the Yanks have to offer more than Garcia? If so, how much more? What I do know is that with CC being out at least a couple more weeks, Stroman would have been a big help. I agree. But I would not have traded Garcia for Stroman. There’s a good chance next season Garcia will be as effective as Stroman and then cost controlled for several years to go along with Severino, German, Montgomery. We could have a young and very good rotation for several years. Stroman has not shown that he can consistently pitch at a high level year to year yet, either. He’s have been a good get, but Cashman owes us no “evidence” of his exploration of the trade mart. In fact. giving us an explanation could be harmful to the organization moving forward. How would YOU like to be maybe 10-23 years old and hear that your boss had tried to send you to another complaint six times over the past couple weeks and wasn’t able to cement a deal? Players don’t need to hear that crap...And to think that we are owed that explanation is folly... |
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Post by rizzuto on Aug 2, 2019 15:52:49 GMT -5
I have not seen any evidence that we made an offer for Bauer or the other pitchers traded which was better than (or even equal to) what other teams offered and were turned down - although I would like to. What Cashman has said he talked a lot but they never got close to a deal with anyone. Boston has 3 world series in that period inger? How do you think they managed that? With financial resources significantly less than the Yankees (the richest franchise in the US if not the world_. Maybe by trading for elite players? This is of their 2018 WS team "As noted in the intro, the Red Sox received more production from trades during the regular season than by any other means. Three of their four postseason starters were acquired in trades as was their closer and, on some days, three-fourths of their infield. " www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/world-series-2018-how-the-red-sox-built-their-al-champion-roster-through-trades-free-agency-and-the-draft/In fairness we traded for starters too at times. We just did not trade for very good ones, like Paxton. Which I believe, although I know no one else, is tied to our unwillingness to trade elite players. You are wrong we don't have a clear advantage in income. "The New York Yankees are the most valuable team ($4.6 billion) and had local revenue of $712 million last year, the most in MLB and more than the bottom six teams (Miami Marlins, Tampa Bay Rays, Oakland Athletics, Kansas City Royals, Cincinnati Reds and Baltimore Orioles) had combined. The Dodgers ($3.3 billion), Boston Red Sox ($3.2 billion), Chicago Cubs ($3.1 billion) and San Francisco Giants ($3 billion) round out the list of teams worth at least $3 billion." www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/04/10/baseball-team-values-2019-yankees-lead-league-at-46-billion/#1a3c73fd69b2 The steinbrenners have made it clear recently they would pay more to have a championship "Yankees owner Hal Steinbrenner would consider boosting payroll above the third luxury tax level in an effort to help New York win its first World Series in a decade." www.northjersey.com/sports/So the Steinbrenners share my view that the Yankees not winning a championship in a decade is not very good. Thank you for providing links and information other than your own feelings. Interestingly, though, the first link actually does not back up your assertion, ideally. According to the article, of the total WAR for the 2018 Red Sox, nearly twice that of trades was produced from free agency, the draft, international free agency, and other. If you want to say their SINGLE largest category, then it would be accurate to list trades; however, the article was clear that, comparatively, the 2018 Red Sox - as comprised - finished second in use of free agency, third in the draft, eighth in trades, and eleventh in international free agency. The third link is to a sports page. I’m not sure which article or information we are supposed to read or to which you’d like us to refer? I do agree that the Yankees have no disadvantage in revenue and do not spend proportionally as much as some other franchises. |
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