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Post by noetsi on Aug 14, 2019 7:50:14 GMT -5
It would make sense that disease killed a lot of bison. Their recovery was amazingly fast, where did the disease go once the killing stopped?
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Post by inger on Aug 14, 2019 10:16:13 GMT -5
Sixteen Forts in Colorado. I’ve thought about making the journey of 150-200 miles from here to Bent’s Fort, out near the Kansas border. I see the outer walls appear to be of adobe, but I also see a strong grove of trees behind the fort in photos. But who? Who outside of this thread said that fortifications had to be built of wood anyway? Material to make adobe was certainly readily available, and fireproof. Would anyone not an idiot choose a flammable material over a flammable one for a fort?. More fractured history lessons... In the end, the soldiers and all the pioneers could not defeat the natives hand to hand on anything near to a consistent basis once the natives saw the mode of attack a few times. The war was won by the buffalo hunters, killing and wasting millions of American Bison to starve the natives out and deprive them of warm clothing and bedding. Only when they were weakened and their numbers reduced through this horrible and cruel mode of attack was this land “won”. It was as horrible as any one culture ever treated another in World history, equal to any of those that our country points fingers at that occurred elsewhere. And it occurred right on the heels of the atrocity of slavery, proving that slavery did nothing to teach our society about equality of human beings. Screw forts! They were used to control people, White or otherwise to accomplish the goals of the political/military complex, such as it was (please include railroads)... Check this out. I think you’ll find it interesting: What really happened to the bison? www.tsln.com/news/a-unique-study-of-bison-populations/Are we also then to believe that the old photos of bison skulls are from not only kills made by the hunters, but also skulls harvested from rotting buffalo found on the prairie, as well? Could be...The shooters being paid by the body count, surely they might cheat. I do believe that there would have been particular herds targeted to have a greater impact on the people that were being targeted. I would say it to be reasonable that two things were going on here. On mass kill conducted by nature, and another by man... |
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Post by utahyank on Aug 14, 2019 10:32:24 GMT -5
Are we also then to believe that the old photos of bison skulls are from not only kills made by the hunters, but also skulls harvested from rotting buffalo found on the prairie, as well? Could be...The shooters being paid by the body count, surely they might cheat. I do believe that there would have been particular herds targeted to have a greater impact on the people that were being targeted. I would say it to be reasonable that two things were going on here. On mass kill conducted by nature, and another by man... I believe you have captured it well....there must have been factors beyond only the shooters....as to the old photos of piles of skulls....those are not of recent kills, are they?....and the size of the heap suggest that, indeed, these might have been from a valley littered with bones from a disease kill, similar to that described by an early mountain man....interesting... |
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Post by noetsi on Aug 14, 2019 10:32:54 GMT -5
Certainly there is historic evidence that the government deliberately killed buffalo to starve Native Americans.
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Post by inger on Aug 14, 2019 10:39:56 GMT -5
Certainly there is historic evidence that the government deliberately killed buffalo to starve Native Americans. It was a good, though horrific strategy. As they say, “ War is Hell”... |
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Post by rizzuto on Aug 14, 2019 11:10:01 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Aug 14, 2019 11:43:32 GMT -5
Such a beautiful and powerful animal. (Disgusting up close actually, with shedding coats and cow-like slobbering). I’ve seen a pickup truck that was over turned by one near where I lived my first foray into Colorado.
Would like to have that house back now... there will soon be an alternative HWY near there to go north to Denver. The land has already skyrocketed in value, and I had 10 acres.
Could sell out and buy a house elsewhere, pay cash and have $$$$ left over. Wasn’t meant to be, I suppose. Life had other plans at the time.
I know where there are 2 white buffalo out here, domesticated of course. Interesting to see them...They’re in a herd of about 100...
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Post by noetsi on Aug 14, 2019 14:24:43 GMT -5
Certainly there is historic evidence that the government deliberately killed buffalo to starve Native Americans. It was a good, though horrific strategy. As they say, “ War is Hell”... Sherman was one of the ones fighting them although I think it was Sheridan who burned down the Shenandoah who was most know for this policy. |
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Post by noetsi on Aug 14, 2019 14:27:15 GMT -5
I was thinking of some of the classic Westerns. One of the best was Gunsmoke. But for reasons I never understood they made the lead a deputy marshal although he clearly served as the town marshal. Deputy Marshals dealt with federal law not state law generally and were most used in the Indian territories (modern Oklahoma primarily) where local law was scarce.
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Post by utahyank on Aug 14, 2019 14:54:30 GMT -5
It was a good, though horrific strategy. As they say, “ War is Hell”... Sherman was one of the ones fighting them although I think it was Sheridan who burned down the Shenandoah who was most know for this policy. this is puzzling history.....Do you mean "burned down Savannah"?....if so that was Sherman..... Sheridan was instrumental in the post-war Indian battles in the West....I did not know Sherman fought after the Civil War ended, but maybe he did... |
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Post by rizzuto on Aug 14, 2019 15:05:14 GMT -5
I was thinking of some of the classic Westerns. One of the best was Gunsmoke. But for reasons I never understood they made the lead a deputy marshal although he clearly served as the town marshal. Deputy Marshals dealt with federal law not state law generally and were most used in the Indian territories (modern Oklahoma primarily) where local law was scarce. Matt Dillion’s character was a United States Marshall. Festus was a Deputy Marshall. Marshalls hired their own deputies. He needed a deputy because he was always out of town, which is why at the beginning of most episodes Matt was either leaving Dodge or just coming back. |
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Post by utahyank on Aug 14, 2019 15:08:37 GMT -5
I was thinking of some of the classic Westerns. One of the best was Gunsmoke. But for reasons I never understood they made the lead a deputy marshal although he clearly served as the town marshal. Deputy Marshals dealt with federal law not state law generally and were most used in the Indian territories (modern Oklahoma primarily) where local law was scarce. Matt Dillion’s character was a United States Marshall. Festus was a Deputy Marshall. Marshalls hired their own deputies. He needed a deputy because he was always out of town, which is why at the beginning of most episodes Matt was either leaving Dodge or just coming back. was the guy who walked with a limp a Deputy Marshall as well?...or just called a deputy? |
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Post by noetsi on Aug 14, 2019 15:11:25 GMT -5
Sherman was one of the ones fighting them although I think it was Sheridan who burned down the Shenandoah who was most know for this policy. this is puzzling history.....Do you mean "burned down Savannah"?....if so that was Sherman..... Sheridan was instrumental in the post-war Indian battles in the West....I did not know Sherman fought after the Civil War ended, but maybe he did... Sherman who made the quote (sort of its not quite what he said, but it was what he was quoted as saying) that inger referenced commanded the US army for a time after the Civil War when it was primarily fighting indians. Sheridan burned out the Shenandoah valley in 1864. |
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Post by utahyank on Aug 14, 2019 15:13:44 GMT -5
this is puzzling history.....Do you mean "burned down Savannah"?....if so that was Sherman..... Sheridan was instrumental in the post-war Indian battles in the West....I did not know Sherman fought after the Civil War ended, but maybe he did... Sherman who made the quote (sort of its not quite what he said, but it was what he was quoted as saying) that inger referenced commanded the US army for a time after the Civil War when it was primarily fighting indians. Sheridan burned out the Shenandoah valley in 1864. ahhhhh….OK.... |
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Post by rizzuto on Aug 14, 2019 15:15:44 GMT -5
Matt Dillion’s character was a United States Marshall. Festus was a Deputy Marshall. Marshalls hired their own deputies. He needed a deputy because he was always out of town, which is why at the beginning of most episodes Matt was either leaving Dodge or just coming back. was the guy who walked with a limp a Deputy Marshall as well?...or just called a deputy? Chester was more of an aide de camp. Only deputized and wore a badge on specific occasions. |
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