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Post by inger on Aug 29, 2019 10:36:43 GMT -5
They were 2-4 against teams with winning records. Yea too bad overall they are 37-25 (.597) against teams with winning records. Best in baseball. Yes, but that is only for the entire season to date and represents a sample of 62 games. Everyone knows that statistics must be adjusted to small samples and recent trends, especially when noetsi has pre-declared a “test”. Didn’t you notice the patch with the test pattern on it on all player’s sleeves during that series?... |
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Post by kaybli on Aug 29, 2019 10:41:37 GMT -5
Yea too bad overall they are 37-25 (.597) against teams with winning records. Best in baseball. Yes, but that is only for the entire season to date and represents a sample of 62 games. Everyone knows that statistics must be adjusted to small samples and recent trends, especially when noetsi has pre-declared a “test”. Didn’t you notice the patch with the test pattern on it on all player’s sleeves during that series?... Whatever fits his narrative. I can't wait for his response. Or he just won't respond like he always does when proven wrong.
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Post by noetsi on Aug 29, 2019 11:03:16 GMT -5
Proven wrong means I was wrong about us being 2-4 I guess  |
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Post by kaybli on Aug 29, 2019 11:09:24 GMT -5
Proven wrong means I was wrong about us being 2-4 I guess Small sample size like you always say. Why not go with the whole season? |
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Post by inger on Aug 29, 2019 11:38:44 GMT -5
They were 2-4 against teams with winning records. One can argue that Oakland at home was a special case. Thanks for the permission to say this: Oakland at home was a special case... It actually wasn’t though. What it was more of the Yanks hitting Oakland at a time when Oakland was hot. Add in a few hard hit balls by Yankee players being right to a fielder, a couple odd bounces and an unfortunate call or two by the umps (unintentional, not going there), and the story is complete. Rather than using that series of an example of how we can’t win in the post season, I’d look at the odds and say that the next time those loud Yankee outs may find holes, the bounces may go the other way, and the Yanks might get the close calls. It’s also quite likely that the Yankees might be the hotter team entering the next series. For most of the year, the team has been blazing hot... |
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Post by greatfatness on Aug 29, 2019 15:59:59 GMT -5
Yes, but that is only for the entire season to date and represents a sample of 62 games. Everyone knows that statistics must be adjusted to small samples and recent trends, especially when noetsi has pre-declared a “test”. Didn’t you notice the patch with the test pattern on it on all player’s sleeves during that series?... Whatever fits his narrative. I can't wait for his response.
I can wait. Like forever, ideally. The eeyore routine is tedious. |
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Post by inger on Aug 29, 2019 16:33:14 GMT -5
Whatever fits his narrative. I can't wait for his response.
I can wait. Like forever, ideally. The eeyore routine is tedious. He’s very good at Poohsticks, though... |
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Post by noetsi on Aug 29, 2019 17:43:09 GMT -5
There are two models:
1) Look at overall season.
2) Look at the recent past.
The problem I have is that people chose each of these to maximize their argument. So if the Yankees did well in the season, but bad recently, they rely on the season, and if they did well recently, but poorly in the season they stress recent events.
This is even more obvious with particular players. Personally I think you should go with the overall season most often. But record against winning teams is a different phenomenon than winning against play off bound teams. My comments tend to be about how we match up against play off bound teams. Bringing up those who simply have winning records does not address this.
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Post by rizzuto on Aug 29, 2019 18:47:49 GMT -5
There are two models: 1) Look at overall season. 2) Look at the recent past. The problem I have is that people chose each of these to maximize their argument. So if the Yankees did well in the season, but bad recently, they rely on the season, and if they did well recently, but poorly in the season they stress recent events. This is even more obvious with particular players. Personally I think you should go with the overall season most often. But record against winning teams is a different phenomenon than winning against play off bound teams. My comments tend to be about how we match up against play off bound teams. Bringing up those who simply have winning records does not address this. It’s been quite sometime since the Yankees have had a poor season. Simply because an individual player has had a subpar season does not mean he is not pitching well during an individual game or even a stretch of games. Of course, one would have to pay attention to see the difference. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 29, 2019 19:02:17 GMT -5
There are two models: 1) Look at overall season. 2) Look at the recent past. The problem I have is that people chose each of these to maximize their argument. So if the Yankees did well in the season, but bad recently, they rely on the season, and if they did well recently, but poorly in the season they stress recent events. This is even more obvious with particular players. Personally I think you should go with the overall season most often. But record against winning teams is a different phenomenon than winning against play off bound teams. My comments tend to be about how we match up against play off bound teams. Bringing up those who simply have winning records does not address this. It’s been quite sometime since the Yankees have had a poor season. Simply because an individual player has had a subpar season does not mean the are not pitching well during an individual game or a stretch of games. Of course, one would have to pay attention to see the difference. Yep. 1992 to be exact if you're looking for a poor season from the Yankees. Much further back than ANY other team can claim. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 29, 2019 19:13:18 GMT -5
There are two models: 1) Look at overall season. 2) Look at the recent past. The problem I have is that people chose each of these to maximize their argument. So if the Yankees did well in the season, but bad recently, they rely on the season, and if they did well recently, but poorly in the season they stress recent events. This is even more obvious with particular players. Personally I think you should go with the overall season most often. But record against winning teams is a different phenomenon than winning against play off bound teams. My comments tend to be about how we match up against play off bound teams. Bringing up those who simply have winning records does not address this. Your premise is ridiculous. There are six teams in the American League besides the Yankees with a winning record. Every one of them has a realistic chance to be a playoff team. There is no meaningful distinction between a team with a winning record and a playoff bound team. |
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Post by kaybli on Aug 29, 2019 19:41:55 GMT -5
There are two models: 1) Look at overall season. 2) Look at the recent past. The problem I have is that people chose each of these to maximize their argument. So if the Yankees did well in the season, but bad recently, they rely on the season, and if they did well recently, but poorly in the season they stress recent events. This is even more obvious with particular players. Personally I think you should go with the overall season most often. But record against winning teams is a different phenomenon than winning against play off bound teams. My comments tend to be about how we match up against play off bound teams. Bringing up those who simply have winning records does not address this. Your premise is ridiculous. There are six teams in the American League besides the Yankees with a winning record. Every one of them has a realistic chance to be a playoff team. There is no meaningful distinction between a team with a winning record and a playoff bound team.  |
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Post by inger on Aug 29, 2019 19:43:23 GMT -5
There are two models: 1) Look at overall season. 2) Look at the recent past. The problem I have is that people chose each of these to maximize their argument. So if the Yankees did well in the season, but bad recently, they rely on the season, and if they did well recently, but poorly in the season they stress recent events. This is even more obvious with particular players. Personally I think you should go with the overall season most often. But record against winning teams is a different phenomenon than winning against play off bound teams. My comments tend to be about how we match up against play off bound teams. Bringing up those who simply have winning records does not address this. Your premise is ridiculous. There are six teams in the American League besides the Yankees with a winning record. Every one of them has a realistic chance to be a playoff team. There is no meaningful distinction between a team with a winning record and a playoff bound team. I would say that there may be a sliver of accuracy in what he said. To research we would have to pay special attention to early season games to see if we happened to accumulate a portion of that record by say, playing Seattle early in the season before they fell of the map, or even some other upstart team that happened to be 6-5 or 11-9 before regressing to their expectations. Since the overall sample is 62 games it has been acquired over a lengthy period of time so if what I’ve written has occurred it should have only a minimal effect on the winning percentage, and then would still be superseded by his own suppositions made in his latest post. What I’m saying is that he’s still wrong, but has achieved his goal of contrarian commentary provoking response by taking advantage of our base instincts. But he is ATTEMPTING to become more positive. He has some more work to do... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 29, 2019 19:52:28 GMT -5
That record against teams with winning records refers to teams who currently have winning records, not teams that at one time in April had a winning record. So while I admire your chivalrous effort to find a speck of rationality in the argument, I'm afraid we can't give credit for even a sliver of a point. But the generous instinct is admirable.
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Post by chiyankee on Aug 29, 2019 19:59:18 GMT -5
There are two models: 1) Look at overall season. 2) Look at the recent past. And once the playoffs start, they are both irrelevant. |
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