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Post by utahyank on Aug 30, 2019 0:52:00 GMT -5
I take no issue with anything you’ve said here. We all learn in many different ways. I like the comparison to the water cooler conversations, but they too are now often dominated by numbers on a world that has a spread sheet for everything and a camera that is aimed at us more than any of us would like. As the world changes we can resist with all of our might, but the change will come. Unfortunately I don’t recall the incident with the Red Sox game that you recall. My thought is sort of that numbers can be used to prove a pint or to refute one. The discussion you’ve joined here was about the possibility of a team’s ability to overcome odds and make a comeback. The point being used to refute that was supportive of what you were saying to a greater degree. A sort of support of the Berraism “It ain’t over until it’s over”. I’ll admit to being a bit foggy as to what has made you reluctant to post, but I hope it’s something you can overcome. Simple disagreement can also occur at the water cooler with a fight breaking out or someone quitting or losing their job. If I was a part of the hurtful issue, I’d like to be able to review that with you. If not, perhaps we should all hear the issue so we can understand better. Feel free to PM me if I can be of help... oh no, inger …..no problem with you or anyone else......I think I expressed my thoughts pretty well, so evidently those thoughts don't resonate......have you not noticed the interaction here that goes like this.... Poster 1: expresses an observation about something baseball related.... Posters(s) in response......take cudgel in hand to knock some sense into this poor fool's head....the numbers are the cudgel, and they are wielded vigorously..... that is what this board is, is it not?....or so it seems to me.....but I am only a guest here, so I will retire now because I perceive I am alone in feeling this way....carry on....regards.... |
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Post by inger on Aug 30, 2019 0:56:07 GMT -5
I see some of that, perhaps a lot. I don’t know that it’s the entire personality of the entire forum. Perhaps I’ve failed to see it? I’d have to give that some thought...
It is a rather small group of people, but seemingly a decently differentiated demographic...
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Post by greatfatness on Aug 30, 2019 9:52:22 GMT -5
in regard to the "we are all learning" comment.....I had thought this site was like the old water cooler or coffee shop discussions we had in the "old" days (pre-internet and pre-sabermetrics) in which everyone had their opinions and biases....and it showed in their conversation.... I know I am the odd one here, but the arguments based on numbers takes a lot of the fun out of baseball for me...I rarely post anymore, because of a rather simple example that is innocuous in a single instance, but in a repeating pattern makes me reluctant to share an observation or opinion..…..I watched some Red Sox games earlier this season where there were some poor performances by their relievers and on-camera frustrations toward their manager, which I commented on....what I got in return, rather than the conversation I had hoped for, was a kind of challenge to what I had observed, and a bunch of numbers to refute that.....gee whiz.... What has prompted me to finally unload on this is the pure fun of watching four college football games tonight....good and bad play, but the emphasis was on the fun of watching athletic plays....that is what I have always loved about baseball....the watching of the playing of the game and it's players....football has not gotten to the point of announcers telling the launch angle of the quarterback passes, or the exit velocity, or some other frivolous stat.... I do mute the TV often just because the announcers of the baseball games feel they must show their understanding of the depths of the most minute of stats.... Now, I'm not finding fault with anyone here...most of you love the numbers, and feel this is the cudgel you can use to knock the head of anyone who ventures an opinion that can be refuted by the use of numbers...…..I guess I am alone in this, but I hope it might create some discussion....a discussion that does not disintegrate into a bunch of numbers.....is there anyone out there in is space that relates at all to these comments...and thinks it is perfectly OK to have an opinion that may not be consistent with numbers that can be thrown against them?...if not, regards to all, and best wishes.... I hear you. I enjoy intelligent analysis of sports through thoughtful analysis of statistics as well as qualitative observation. Not everyone does and not everyone needs to care about that at all. The sport is after all merely entertainment. There’s a belief suggested at times that when someone uses or cites statistics that trumps other observations. However, it isn’t uncommon at all that the statistics being cited don’t stand for the conclusion someone is claiming they mean. That happens in this forum pretty often, sometimes behind the logical fallacy that the poster has some expertise or background in numbers. I find that repeated pattern to be pretty tedious. This has been an incredible season just to watch and enjoy. Some of the tangential quasi-statistical debate is at best irrelevant if not detracting from the actual joy of the frivolous entertainment value of the sport. We are lucky to be fans of a team this young, resilient and exciting. Whether they win or not this year won’t change that for me. |
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Post by utahyank on Aug 30, 2019 10:02:00 GMT -5
ahhhh….a thoughtful and satisfying response....thanks....what a wonderful season to watch these players step up as one after another are injured...your beautiful phrase "the actual joy of the frivolous entertainment value of the sport"......yes...
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Post by inger on Aug 30, 2019 11:52:13 GMT -5
ahhhh….a thoughtful and satisfying response....thanks....what a wonderful season to watch these players step up as one after another are injured...your beautiful phrase "the actual joy of the frivolous entertainment value of the sport"......yes... Great Fatness to the rescue here. I get his post completely and it helps me translate Utah’s into more resonant terms. I’m a bit thick at times... |
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