|
|
Post by sierchio on Sept 26, 2019 8:39:51 GMT -5
It's funny... when a player (German) is already on the team.. and they do jackass shit like this... it hurts more and you don't want them on the team anymore.. but when we trade for someone (Chapman) who also had the domestic abuse.. it's like yeah he's a scumbag but welcome to the team. I don't know if that makes sense... but that's how it feels to me.. like I'm more pissed off about this incident with German than I was with the whole trading for Chapman thing.
|
|
|
|
Post by kaybli on Sept 26, 2019 8:43:41 GMT -5
It's funny... when a player (German) is already on the team.. and they do jackass shit like this... it hurts more and you don't want them on the team anymore.. but when we trade for someone (Chapman) who also had the domestic abuse.. it's like yeah he's a scumbag but welcome to the team. I don't know if that makes sense... but that's how it feels to me.. like I'm more pissed off about this incident with German than I was with the whole trading for Chapman thing. I would have been fine not getting Chapman back. But he’s here so nothing to do but accept it and root for him. |
|
|
|
Post by greatfatness on Sept 26, 2019 9:23:03 GMT -5
I didn’t realize until reading the article at the Athletic this morning that this incident apparently happened at the home German shares with his girlfriend and that she’s the mother of his children.
“The incident at the center of the investigation is said to have taken place at the residence where he and his girlfriend live. There is currently no police report as the allegations were reported directly to MLB. The team has not released a statement since the initial investigation was announced on Sept. 19; the league announced the extension to Germán’s time on administrative leave only with a tweet from its communications account. No further details on the investigation, the allegations or the status of Germán’s girlfriend and their children were released.
Germán is not currently suspended and could face further missed time next season pending the results of the investigation. Suspensions under MLB’s domestic violence policy have not been uniform in length and are on a case-by-case basis.“
|
|
|
|
Post by inger on Sept 26, 2019 10:17:52 GMT -5
I didn’t realize until reading the article at the Athletic this morning that this incident apparently happened at the home German shares with his girlfriend and that she’s the mother of his children. “The incident at the center of the investigation is said to have taken place at the residence where he and his girlfriend live. There is currently no police report as the allegations were reported directly to MLB. The team has not released a statement since the initial investigation was announced on Sept. 19; the league announced the extension to Germán’s time on administrative leave only with a tweet from its communications account. No further details on the investigation, the allegations or the status of Germán’s girlfriend and their children were released. Germán is not currently suspended and could face further missed time next season pending the results of the investigation. Suspensions under MLB’s domestic violence policy have not been uniform in length and are on a case-by-case basis.“ It’s like MLB has tribal rights like Native Americans. No need white man’s law. We do our own law. I don’t like that aspect of this deal... |
|
|
|
Post by greatfatness on Sept 26, 2019 10:35:33 GMT -5
I didn’t realize until reading the article at the Athletic this morning that this incident apparently happened at the home German shares with his girlfriend and that she’s the mother of his children. “The incident at the center of the investigation is said to have taken place at the residence where he and his girlfriend live. There is currently no police report as the allegations were reported directly to MLB. The team has not released a statement since the initial investigation was announced on Sept. 19; the league announced the extension to Germán’s time on administrative leave only with a tweet from its communications account. No further details on the investigation, the allegations or the status of Germán’s girlfriend and their children were released. Germán is not currently suspended and could face further missed time next season pending the results of the investigation. Suspensions under MLB’s domestic violence policy have not been uniform in length and are on a case-by-case basis.“ It’s like MLB has tribal rights like Native Americans. No need white man’s law. We do our own law. I don’t like that aspect of this deal... Well it isn’t any different than any other company. If I did something that violated my employer’s policies and the law, I can be held accountable by my employer or the law or both. If MLB determines he violated the law, the police can investigate but you can’t prosecute someone without evidence which usually involves a victim who is willing to testify. We don’t know the facts yet but it isn’t uncommon for a victim of domestic violence to want the behavior to stop but also not want their spouse to be criminalized. In any event the fact that the MLBPA is aligned with MLB on this so far says a lot in my opinion. If this were trivial or mere allegation I doubt the union would tolerate a player being placed on leave like this. That’s not a good sign for anyone who wants to believe this is not a big deal. |
|
|
|
Post by inger on Sept 26, 2019 10:44:36 GMT -5
It’s like MLB has tribal rights like Native Americans. No need white man’s law. We do our own law. I don’t like that aspect of this deal... Well it isn’t any different than any other company. If I did something that violated my employer’s policies and the law, I can be held accountable by my employer or the law or both. If MLB determines he violated the law, the police can investigate but you can’t prosecute someone without evidence which usually involves a victim who is willing to testify. We don’t know the facts yet but it isn’t uncommon for a victim of domestic violence to want the behavior to stop but also not want their spouse to be criminalized. In any event the fact that the MLBPA is aligned with MLB on this so far says a lot in my opinion. If this were trivial or mere allegation I doubt the union would tolerate a player being placed on leave like this. That’s not a good sign for anyone who wants to believe this is not a big deal. Excellent points. One of the societal problems has indeed been, girl gets beaten, cops come in arrest/trial now impending, girl recanted story, asshole that beat her is set free. In this scenario, by keeping the issue “in house”, the tribal rules prevail. Asshole is therefore punished. Even if the punishment is less severe than that of the law, at the very least then at least there are some sort of consequences...I “get it” now. Thanks. I was hoping you’d help out... |
|
|
|
Post by noetsi on Sept 26, 2019 15:40:23 GMT -5
This is not a legal investigation. They don't have to prove anything.
|
|
|
|
Post by inger on Sept 26, 2019 17:35:46 GMT -5
This is not a legal investigation. They don't have to prove anything. I think they have to approach with some sort of due diligence, lest they become the target of a future lawsuit. Maybe they don’t need proof, but they’d better be pretty certain of what they’re doing... |
|
|
|
Post by greatfatness on Sept 26, 2019 18:41:44 GMT -5
This is not a legal investigation. They don't have to prove anything. I think they have to approach with some sort of due diligence, lest they become the target of a future lawsuit. Maybe they don’t need proof, but they’d better be pretty certain of what they’re doing... Of course they have to prove something. The MLBPA isn’t going to allow the league to interrupt the career of one of its members arbitrarily. That’s an absurd suggestion that they don’t have to prove anything because it isn’t a legal proceeding. If they don’t prove something they’re going to have a legal proceeding. And to date the MLBPA and MLB seem to be aligned that there’s something of concern already demonstrated to their mutual satisfaction. |
|
|
|
Post by noetsi on Sept 26, 2019 20:23:16 GMT -5
I meant prove in a legal sense (as in a trial where one has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt). The standard of what they have to provide and how they get it is almost certainly far lower than that.
But I worded it poorly because prove has many meanings.
|
|
|
|
Post by inger on Sept 26, 2019 21:35:13 GMT -5
I meant prove in a legal sense (as in a trial where one has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt). The standard of what they have to provide and how they get it is almost certainly far lower than that. But I worded it poorly because prove has many meanings. I thought maybe you had a hard swig of something 86 proof before you typed it... |
|
|
|
Post by noetsi on Sept 27, 2019 10:08:20 GMT -5
Sadly or not I don't drink  |
|
|
|
Post by inger on Sept 27, 2019 13:19:39 GMT -5
Sadly or not I don't drink Nothing sad about that. About a half dozen beers a year for me...some years... in many years, it’s zero... |
|
|
|
Post by chiyankee on Sept 27, 2019 13:23:19 GMT -5
Sadly or not I don't drink Nothing sad about that. About a half dozen beers a year for me...some years... in many years, it’s zero... Right and life is easier when you wake up in the morning with a clear head. |
|
|
|
Post by rizzuto on Sept 27, 2019 15:33:01 GMT -5
Sadly or not I don't drink Nothing sad about that. About a half dozen beers a year for me...some years... in many years, it’s zero... Same with me. If not for social situations, it would be zero. Even then, I have to be in the right mood and interested in something specific. Sarah bought every bottle of spirits in the house. She liked the occasional cocktail and to entertain family and friends. I cook with alcohol much more often than I actually drink it. |
|
