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Post by inger on Jan 22, 2019 17:02:32 GMT -5
We weren’t supposed to get d ow last night, but we wound up on the fringes of the blizzard and got about an inch accompanied by sustained 65 MPH winds. North of Colorado Springs where I lived about 15 years ago they got 6-8 inches with similar winds.
Amazing how many organizations are closed and even roads that are closed over what would be a minimal amount of snow some places. We did get 18” or so in some of the mountainous areas... we didn’t really even get snow in the mountains out here last year, so the beautiful snow caps are wonderful to see again. The reservoirs will welcome the runoff in the spring.
I had to cancel an appointment because it was in the Springs...
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Post by inger on Jan 23, 2019 20:56:53 GMT -5
Random thought: Greatest New York Yankee who compiled most of his career numbers with other franchise(s), yet still contributed nicely to the Yankees. Confusing parameters? Perhaps, but to give an example, I’m going to go with Johnny Mize as a position player, Catfish Hunter for a SP, with Mike Mussina also on the staff. Does Randy Johnson belong? Was he good enough as a Yankee?...
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 23, 2019 21:27:59 GMT -5
Random thought: Greatest New York Yankee who compiled most of his career numbers with other franchise(s), yet still contributed nicely to the Yankees. Confusing parameters? Perhaps, but to give an example, I’m going to go with Johnny Mize as a position player, Catfish Hunter for a SP, with Mike Mussina also on the staff. Does Randy Johnson belong? Was he good enough as a Yankee?... Well, there is Reggie Jackson. Rickey Henderson. Johnny Mize is a good selection as well. Have to think about the pitchers. Mussina did pitch more for Baltimore, although not by much. Catfish had a few good seasons, to be sure, but I don't think he gave the Yanks what they expected. Did Gossage have most of his career with other teams? Seems like it (too lazy to look it up.) David Cone, Jimmy Key, Roger Clemens. I would not include Randy Johnson. Although obviously one of the all-time greats, his two years with the Yanks he had an adjusted ERA of exactly 100, although his W-L was good and he was old when the Yanks got him. Still he pitched better when he went back to Arizona. Back in the day -- Bobby Shantz and Enos Slaughter come to mind. Good topic, and I am sure I am leaving out a lot of them. |
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Post by inger on Jan 23, 2019 21:33:56 GMT -5
Random thought: Greatest New York Yankee who compiled most of his career numbers with other franchise(s), yet still contributed nicely to the Yankees. Confusing parameters? Perhaps, but to give an example, I’m going to go with Johnny Mize as a position player, Catfish Hunter for a SP, with Mike Mussina also on the staff. Does Randy Johnson belong? Was he good enough as a Yankee?... Well, there is Reggie Jackson. Rickey Henderson. Johnny Mize is a good selection as well. Have to think about the pitchers. Mussina did pitch more for Baltimore, although not by much. Catfish had a few good seasons, to be sure, but I don't think he gave the Yanks what they expected. Did Gossage have most of his career with other teams? Seems like it (too lazy to look it up.) David Cone, Jimmy Key, Roger Clemens. I would not include Randy Johnson. Although obviously one of the all-time greats, his two years with the Yanks he had an adjusted ERA of exactly 100, although his W-L was good and he was old when the Yanks got him. Still he pitched better when he went back to Arizona. Back in the day -- Bobby Shantz and Enos Slaughter come to mind. Good topic, and I am sure I am leaving out a lot of them. Nice contributions, Slaughter was also top of mind for me... I agree that Catfish fell short, but I blame over working him in first season in NY for wearing him out. If he had been protected a bit instead of trying to justify the free agent contract all in one season he may have been able to win 20 again in year two... and who knows if his arm might have lasted a season or two more beyond that...I don’t want to name his first season manager, but I believe that gentleman had a reputation for running starting pitchers into the ground... |
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Post by inger on Jan 23, 2019 22:08:01 GMT -5
A bit of a correction, as the man I didn’t want to name didn’t take over managing from Bill Virdon until the final third of the season, but I’m sure he rode Catfish down the stretch run. Catfish was also worked hard the season before coming to NY, as he pitched 318 innings that season (remarkably did not lead the league) and then followed by leading the league with 328 innings. That’s a lot of work. I can’t fault the Catfish for falling apart...I doubt he got an oil change or even a pit stop in those two seasons...the tires simply wore out...
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Post by inger on Jan 23, 2019 22:22:23 GMT -5
Of course, I had to check:
After Billy Martin (okay, I named him) in 1975 Catfish Hunter went 8-4 in his final 12 starts, completing all but one of those starts in which he won in “only” 7 innings. I’m not sure why Catfish missed a start before his final start of the season, but Martin took advantage of the extta redt he got by pitching him all 10 innings of a 3-2 won vs. Baltimore even though by then the Yanks were out of the race.
All told he worked 104 innings in those twelve starts. He pitched remarkably, with a solid 2.25 ERA and a .201 BA against during that failed stretch run (3rd place).
For the record, that was 8.67 innings per start. A modern day manager would be horse-whipped if he did that...br]
For the record, Virdon was much easier on Hunter, pitching him “only” 8.3 innings per start... (:
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Post by domeplease on Jan 24, 2019 19:23:34 GMT -5
No grade on any of the papers I had.. it was some writing "portfolio" thing so the graded copies weren't in there.. LOL about the 1939 thing... Maybe I was trying to see if the teacher would fact check it LMAO Sierchio: Haven't seen any Posts from you recently??? Are you OK? Hope all is well for you. Always liked you! Tequila gives her best... |
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Post by inger on Jan 24, 2019 20:22:24 GMT -5
No grade on any of the papers I had.. it was some writing "portfolio" thing so the graded copies weren't in there.. LOL about the 1939 thing... Maybe I was trying to see if the teacher would fact check it LMAO Sierchio: Haven't seen any Posts from you recently??? Are you OK? Hope all is well for you. Always liked you! Tequila gives her best... I PM’d with him. He’s got some personal issues he’s dealing with, but he’s staying clean and working hard to get life in order. Man just needs to catch a break... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 24, 2019 20:47:48 GMT -5
Of course, I had to check: After Billy Martin (okay, I named him) in 1975 Catfish Hunter went 8-4 in his final 12 starts, completing all but one of those starts in which he won in “only” 7 innings. I’m not sure why Catfish missed a start before his final start of the season, but Martin took advantage of the extta redt he got by pitching him all 10 innings of a 3-2 won vs. Baltimore even though by then the Yanks were out of the race. All told he worked 104 innings in those twelve starts. He pitched remarkably, with a solid 2.25 ERA and a .201 BA against during that failed stretch run (3rd place). For the record, that was 8.67 innings per start. A modern day manager would be horse-whipped if he did that...br] For the record, Virdon was much easier on Hunter, pitching him “only” 8.3 innings per start... (: Catfish Hunter is surely among my favorite pitchers ever. I was a fan even before the Yankees acquired him. Yes, he did the plowhorse regimen for years and years, mostly in Oakland, before his arm started giving out in his early 30s. He had a few returns to glory after the great years, but after that first outstanding season with the Yanks when he went 23-14 with THIRTY complete games, he was only 40-39 for them the rest of the way, with steadily declining performances. Some people sneer at the concept of pitching to the scoreboard, but they never saw Catfish Hunter. I suppose that being overworked as he was, if his team (and he played on lots of good ones) got him a nice total of runs, he wasn't afraid to let the opponent hit the ball if it saved some wear and tear on his arm. Jeez, another workhorse named Christy Mathewson used to preach that same philosophy over a century ago, admittedly in the deadball era. His career adjusted ERA of 104 sure doesn't jump out at you, but nobody who watched him in his prime would have claimed he was only a slightly above average pitcher. The pitcher he most reminded me of, both in being worked to death and in his overall approach to pitch selection, was Robin Roberts. Robby had six consecutive years of over 300 innings, followed by slacking off to 297 innings, before it caught up with him. His adjusted ERA was a bit better at 113, but he was unquestionably one of the four or five greatest pitchers from the post World War II era into the early 60s. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 24, 2019 20:59:00 GMT -5
Oh yeah Inger, a few more for your category that I can't believe I didn't think of yesterday. Tommy John for sure -- saw him on the MLB network today -- he is carrying some serious girth these days. Another favorite of mine, I remember Sports Illustrated articles on him when he broke in as a highly-touted prospect for Cleveland, along with another highly-touted prospect named Tommie Agee (who was traded to the White Sox along with TJ.) Tommy John had 17 seasons where he had double digit win totals, and three more where he won nine games. Pretty reliable, I would say. How ironic that he was the first to undergo Tommy John Surgery. (Okay, a lame old baseball joke in the footsteps of its predecessor, how ironic that Lou Gehrig died from Lou Gehrig's Disease.)
Wade Boggs was another in your category. I am sure you recall when Yankee fans used to taunt him about Margo Adams.
You could say Jason Giambi; he only played about 40 percent of his total games for the Yanks. Did Chuck Knoblauch contribute enough to the Yankees to qualify? Not sure on that one. For that matter, the much-ridiculed Johnny Damon, with his manifest shortcomings, did give the Yankees some decent contributions. Bobby Abreu?
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Post by inger on Jan 24, 2019 22:03:57 GMT -5
Well Pipps, I sure got lucky here because I had the initial thought and fed out a couple of examples and you’ve put a lot of thought into the subject and did most of the mental labor.
Those are some very good examples of some of the guys I was thinking of. My initial thought was more about the kind of guys like Mize and Slaughter that came aboard in the twilight of their careers to contribute, but the category was certainly expandable to include the likes of the guys you mentioned.
There were some other players we acquired with the hope they’d contribute, like Don Gullet and the aforementioned Randy Johnson, Andy Messerschmidt...
Another plus contributor was Cecil Fielder, and did you mention Daryl Strawberry? The short term memory is getting bad. I have to read the start of my own posts before I finish them to try to keep from repeating them.
There were surely many more of these type of players. I think the Yankees have been the single team that has utilized pitchers from other franchises rather than developing their own on a regular basis...
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 27, 2019 9:35:47 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Jan 27, 2019 10:28:37 GMT -5
One of Lasorda's best outings... (:
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Post by chiyankee on Jan 27, 2019 10:56:43 GMT -5
One of Lasorda's best outings... (: Yeah, Tommy's MLB career didn't last long, great footage though. |
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Post by inger on Jan 27, 2019 11:17:53 GMT -5
26 appearances including 6 starts. 58 innings, 0-4 mid six ERA. As a manager , he’d have never used himself on a game. The anti Pete Rose (left handed compliment).
His angry, profane rants as a manager may reveal a lack of emotional control that made it hard for him to perform as a pitcher where a cooloer head may prevail, but his other personality traits made him a successful manager...
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