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Post by inger on Jul 25, 2023 14:45:23 GMT -5
We finally got a picture of young inger! 
Inger says:
"A young inger sighting. Age 26. Only about 160 pounds of prime meat. This was the first year I bowled with my dad, who is on the right. I’m the longish haired dude in the center holding the pins…
Interesting how the bowling alley and/or photographer spelled Industrial… 😂
Well before we win the league. There was an evil empire called the “Elkton Men’s Club” that were highly motivated and thought to be unbeatable, it would take us a few seasons, but once we got them we had our foot on their throats for three years. Of course that made us the unbeatable and evil team… 🤓"
Looking good inger! Bowling champion and lady killer!
You look a bit like Bobby Orr in that picture Inger. And that's a compliment. I’m sure Bobby will appreciate it. He couldn’t hold my glove in CF, but I can’t even skate a lick, so there’s that. 🤓… |
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 25, 2023 18:09:25 GMT -5
BillyBones -- Definitely nobody was up to Rizzuto's standard until Jeter, who all-around has to be the greatest Yankee SS ever. In fact the only SS in history I might take over Jeter is Honus Wagner, taking into account the entire package. McDougald was good, but as you noted earlier moved all around. Kubek was very good when they finally settled on him at short -- a very smooth, rangy SS who also hit well before his spinal injury that came from a touch football game when he was in the military. Just too short of a career. I hear you on Doerr. Look at those Red Sox lineups from the late 40s-early 50s. Two HOFers in Doerr and Williams. Vern Stephens, an eight-time All Star who hit for power -- unheard of for a SS in those days. Johnny Pesky, a career .307 hitter at third. Billy Goodman, another career .300 hitter, playing first and third. Walt Dropo, a Rookie of the Year in 1950. Dom DiMaggio, who finished just under .300 and was an outstanding defensive player. They even had a couple of very good starting pitchers in Mel Parnell and Ellis Kinder, but they seemed to get injured a lot and the rest of the staff was a crapshoot -- Mickey McDermott, Willard Nixon, Chuck Stobbs -- names I know you would remember. But the Yankees always beat them! You probably remember Gene Bearden of Cleveland, who had the one great rookie season in 1948 when he won 20 games and did nothing afterward. You probably also remember when ex-Yankee third baseman Red Rolfe was managing the Tigers. Thanks for throwing all those names out there, it's a real education Mel Parnell - Louisiana boy, born and raised in New Orleans! |
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Post by Bronx boy 123 on Jul 25, 2023 20:02:45 GMT -5
First, I have to mention that many of the old time HOF players started out when they were 18-21 years old, but back then very few baseball players were going to college first and then playing MLB...So we are dealing with a phenomenon that is only maybe 25-30 years old where there are a large number of players that are not only going to college, but finishing college before starting their careers...therefore they are reaching MLB later than the young players of "yesteryear"... There was another phenomenon that got some players off to late starts, and that was when the blacks were first allowed to play baseball. So quite a few of those fellows from the late 40's and early 50's...and even to an extent into the early 60's had to prove themselves in the negro leagues and since the integration was not instantaneous, many of them had longer stays in the minor leagues than whites. The Yankees were one of the last teams to integrate when they called Elston Howard up to the major leagues in 1955 when he was 26. To be fair to the Yankees, Howard did have a two year stay in the military in addition to having been a player for the KC Monarchs when he was only 19... And Jackie Robinson was 28 when he got the opportunity to break the color barrier...So there's a Hall of Famer for you right there...Maybe the one Hall of Famer with the latest start of all...I'm not sure...Hoyt Wilhelm may have been older...I'll have to check...Yep...just checked. Wilhelm was indeed 29, and he turned 30 on June 26 of his rookie season... So, oddly enough in spite of the college situation, I'm finding examples from many years back... |
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Post by Bronx boy 123 on Jul 25, 2023 20:04:42 GMT -5
You look a bit like Bobby Orr in that picture Inger. And that's a compliment. I’m sure Bobby will appreciate it. He couldn’t hold my glove in CF, but I can’t even skate a lick, so there’s that. 🤓… Boone needs a kick in the Ass New coaches abd rid us of the losers Like Stanton ,Donaldson |
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Post by Bronxboy 123 on Jul 25, 2023 20:05:59 GMT -5
First, I have to mention that many of the old time HOF players started out when they were 18-21 years old, but back then very few baseball players were going to college first and then playing MLB...So we are dealing with a phenomenon that is only maybe 25-30 years old where there are a large number of players that are not only going to college, but finishing college before starting their careers...therefore they are reaching MLB later than the young players of "yesteryear"... There was another phenomenon that got some players off to late starts, and that was when the blacks were first allowed to play baseball. So quite a few of those fellows from the late 40's and early 50's...and even to an extent into the early 60's had to prove themselves in the negro leagues and since the integration was not instantaneous, many of them had longer stays in the minor leagues than whites. The Yankees were one of the last teams to integrate when they called Elston Howard up to the major leagues in 1955 when he was 26. To be fair to the Yankees, Howard did have a two year stay in the military in addition to having been a player for the KC Monarchs when he was only 19... And Jackie Robinson was 28 when he got the opportunity to break the color barrier...So there's a Hall of Famer for you right there...Maybe the one Hall of Famer with the latest start of all...I'm not sure...Hoyt Wilhelm may have been older...I'll have to check...Yep...just checked. Wilhelm was indeed 29, and he turned 30 on June 26 of his rookie season... So, oddly enough in spite of the college situation, I'm finding examples from many years back... |
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 25, 2023 21:01:02 GMT -5
I may be wrong, but you may have to log in to use the quote function. |
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Post by Guest kaybli on Jul 26, 2023 1:01:58 GMT -5
I may be wrong, but you may have to log in to use the quote function. No, guests can use the quote function. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 26, 2023 6:35:04 GMT -5
I may be wrong, but you may have to log in to use the quote function. No, guests can use the quote function. What did you do with the real Kay!   |
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Post by thedevil on Jul 26, 2023 6:47:25 GMT -5
No, guests can use the quote function. What did you do with the real Kay! Bwahahahahahah! |
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Post by inger on Jul 26, 2023 9:07:42 GMT -5
What did you do with the real Kay! Bwahahahahahah! 😂😂😂 I’m becoming a fan… 👿 👿 👿 Csnt wait until You have 666 posts… 😂😂😂 |
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Post by BillyBones on Jul 26, 2023 12:30:05 GMT -5
BillyBones -- Definitely nobody was up to Rizzuto's standard until Jeter, who all-around has to be the greatest Yankee SS ever. In fact the only SS in history I might take over Jeter is Honus Wagner, taking into account the entire package. McDougald was good, but as you noted earlier moved all around. Kubek was very good when they finally settled on him at short -- a very smooth, rangy SS who also hit well before his spinal injury that came from a touch football game when he was in the military. Just too short of a career. I hear you on Doerr. Look at those Red Sox lineups from the late 40s-early 50s. Two HOFers in Doerr and Williams. Vern Stephens, an eight-time All Star who hit for power -- unheard of for a SS in those days. Johnny Pesky, a career .307 hitter at third. Billy Goodman, another career .300 hitter, playing first and third. Walt Dropo, a Rookie of the Year in 1950. Dom DiMaggio, who finished just under .300 and was an outstanding defensive player. They even had a couple of very good starting pitchers in Mel Parnell and Ellis Kinder, but they seemed to get injured a lot and the rest of the staff was a crapshoot -- Mickey McDermott, Willard Nixon, Chuck Stobbs -- names I know you would remember. But the Yankees always beat them! You probably remember Gene Bearden of Cleveland, who had the one great rookie season in 1948 when he won 20 games and did nothing afterward. You probably also remember when ex-Yankee third baseman Red Rolfe was managing the Tigers. Thanks for throwing all those names out there, it's a real education Mel Parnell - Louisiana boy, born and raised in New Orleans! Yeah, Mel Parnell was good. Among the best lefty's in the AL then, I thought. There was another Red Sox pitcher about then from New Orleans. I happen to remember his home town because of a story I read. I am talking about Jack Kramer. He never developed like it looked he might. Another pretty good pitcher for the Red Sox was Dave Ferris. They took a pretty good Cardinals team to the 7th game of the WS in 46, as I'm sure you know. As I recall the Cardinals had a little lefty named Harry Brecheen, who gave the Sox fits in that Series. The WS was THE sporting event of the year back then. Pro Football and Basketball were small stuff. Radios were on blaring the game wherever you went. The bad thing for kids was the agony of going to school, and not having a radio. |
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Post by BillyBones on Jul 26, 2023 12:44:40 GMT -5
Sorry for being so mouthy, but the mention by pipps of Ellis Kinder, among others, created one of my favorite memories. I am going from recall, but in 1949 the Yankees and Red Sox finished tied for the pennant. There was a one game playoff and Casey started Vic Raschi, and the Red Sox starter was Ellis Kinder. We (friends) were surprised, because, while Ellis could be good, he had not pitched well lately. It was a tough game. Raschi was his bulldog self, I think Page finished the game. I remember the score being 5-3 Yankees. Maybe someone knows if a rumor that floated after that game was true. The rumor was that Kinder had gotten hard into the bottle that year, and gotten drunk the night before, not expecting to start. At any rate, the Beaners did a lot of crying as they came up short to the Yankees once again.
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Post by pippsheadache on Jul 26, 2023 15:21:05 GMT -5
Sorry for being so mouthy, but the mention by pipps of Ellis Kinder, among others, created one of my favorite memories. I am going from recall, but in 1949 the Yankees and Red Sox finished tied for the pennant. There was a one game playoff and Casey started Vic Raschi, and the Red Sox starter was Ellis Kinder. We (friends) were surprised, because, while Ellis could be good, he had not pitched well lately. It was a tough game. Raschi was his bulldog self, I think Page finished the game. I remember the score being 5-3 Yankees. Maybe someone knows if a rumor that floated after that game was true. The rumor was that Kinder had gotten hard into the bottle that year, and gotten drunk the night before, not expecting to start. At any rate, the Beaners did a lot of crying as they came up short to the Yankees once again. Your memory is amazing BillyBones. You have it nailed with the score and the pitchers. One correction: the game was not a playoff. It was the final game of the regular 1949 season. Boston came into Yankee Stadium for a season-ending two game series leading the Yankees by one game. So they needed to take one of those two games to win the pennant. In the first of those two games, Mel Parnell faced off against Allie Reynolds. Boston took a 1-0 lead into the third when Reynolds completely lost it. After one out, he loaded the bases with walks before allowing a single to Bobby Doerr to make it 2-0. Casey Stengel, in his first year as Yankee manager, brought in Joe Page. Page proceeded to walk the first two batters he faced to make it 4-0. I'd have been going crazy but I wasn't quite born yet. The Yanks struck back for two in their half of the fourth and two more in the fifth. Joe Dobson replaced Parnell in that inning. The score stayed tied until the bottom of the eighth, when Johnny Lindell hit a solo HR to give the Yankees a 5-4 lead. Page finished off the game, going 6 2/3 innings of scoreless relief. So it all came down to the last game, Raschi versus Kinder. The Yankees jumped off to a 5-0 lead -- Kinder worked seven innings-- and took that lead into the ninth. Boston struck back with three runs and brought the tying run to the plate, but Casey stuck with Raschi -- could you imagine that today? -- and he managed to hold on. Kinder, like Page, was known for his excessive drinking, so he may well have tied one on the night before. He was also a very affable and popular guy who was much loved by his teammates and the fans. He never got to the majors until he was 31 -- I assume that's where his nickname "Old Folks" came from. As you remember, the great Joe McCarthy was managing Boston by then. It was the second consecutive year Boston lost the pennant on the last day, losing a playoff to Cleveland in 1948. The fans and press in Boston were grumbling that he had lost his touch, and indeed he was fired midway through the 1950 season, replaced by Steve O'Neill. I am just lapping up your recollections, so keep them coming. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jul 26, 2023 16:01:05 GMT -5
Mel Parnell - Louisiana boy, born and raised in New Orleans! Yeah, Mel Parnell was good. Among the best lefty's in the AL then, I thought. There was another Red Sox pitcher about then from New Orleans. I happen to remember his home town because of a story I read. I am talking about Jack Kramer. He never developed like it looked he might. Another pretty good pitcher for the Red Sox was Dave Ferris. They took a pretty good Cardinals team to the 7th game of the WS in 46, as I'm sure you know. As I recall the Cardinals had a little lefty named Harry Brecheen, who gave the Sox fits in that Series. The WS was THE sporting event of the year back then. Pro Football and Basketball were small stuff. Radios were on blaring the game wherever you went. The bad thing for kids was the agony of going to school, and not having a radio. You will never slip a Louisiana boy past Rizzuto. His extensive staff is on duty 24/7 looking for references. When you mentioned Dave Ferris, I was wondering if he was related to Boo Ferris. When I looked him up I discovered that they are one and the same. I had never heard him referred to as anything other than Boo. He came up at age 23 and went 46-16 his first two seasons. He injured his shoulder in his third year and never won a game after the age of 26. Ferris and Tex Hughson were Boston's two big pitchers in 1946. You are correct, Harry "The Cat" Brecheen beat Boston three times in that Series. Brecheen was one of the all-time best World Series pitchers, going 4-1 in seven games with a 0.83 ERA. He was a fine pitcher who finished with a 133-92 record and an ERA+ of 133. One of the best screwballs ever, and a brilliant defensive pitcher. Anytime I heard a reference to him he was referred to as Harry "The Cat" as if that was his proper name. Same with Harry "The Hat" Walker. I recall Brecheen as the long-time Orioles pitching coach. He developed pitchers like Billy O'Dell, Jim Palmer, Dave McNally, Milt Pappas, Steve Barber, Jack Fisher, Chuck Estrada, Wally Bunker and Tom Phoebus. Robin Roberts credited Brecheen with reviving his career after he was considered washed up. But after awhile Baltimore became concerned with the high number of pitching injuries they were sustaining and fired Brecheen in 1967 after 14 years. Parnell was one of the top southpaws in the AL in the 1950s. Ford and Pierce were the best, but Parnell might be third. I had his 1957 baseball card, but have no memory of seeing him pitch. Looks like he retired after the 56 season but still got a card in 57. I do remember him broadcasting Red Sox games in the mid to late 60s along with Ned Martin and Ken Coleman, who were there forever. |
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Post by inger on Jul 27, 2023 7:36:20 GMT -5
Up bright and early today to enjoy the thrill of having a tooth pulled. It’s one of those teeth that has struggled for years. Been drill and filled and tapped, has a screw in it. The nerve is dying, it got infected a while back and I had to have meds.
It wasn’t easy finding a dentist in this valley with an opening on his schedule, so this guy is about 20 miles away from here. He must hardly ever get out of his office, he’s older and doesn’t look healthy in the sense that he’s very “soft” and even “mushy” looking. It’s almost like I’m going to have the Sta-Puff marshmallow man yanking my tooth out.
I hate giving up in a tooth, but I’ve fought for this one long enough. Twenty years ago I’d have said let’s fix this thing, but at dang near 70, it’s too much money, and just seems like it’s time to let go…
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