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Post by rizzuto on Oct 28, 2019 21:34:45 GMT -5
I generally was pleased with Rothschild initially in his Yankee tenure, but instances this and last season have tempered any reaction of incredulity regarding his departure. Some posters mentioned tipping pitches last season with Severino and this season with Paxton. But, I also recall similar problems at times with Betances, Tanaka, and German. Luckily, Carlos Beltran has occasionally provided intel to the Yankees.
Additionally, Loaisiga and Green had their glove positions tweaked at AAA in order to recover the spin rate on their fastballs. Hale and Cortes always appear sharper with their pitching mechanics after being sent down. Why the erosion? Such adjustments should be recognized and implemented at the big league level. And, in some circumstances, the stint at AAA was very short yet a solution found upon return....nevertheless evidently unavailable in the Bronx.
Lastly, it seemed apparent to me that the Astros and the Rays pitching staffs have taken better advantage of the high strike the last few years. And, this includes utilizing breaking balls at the top of the zone. Too many home runs this season and last season were on fastballs waist high away, as well as a pattern of ball fours on doubled-up breaking balls low and low/away that never sniff the strike zone. Patterns with little to no variation or modification. Did anyone notice that when Happ went back to his old pattern with more fastballs attacking the top of the zone, he began to recover last year’s form? Too many of these anecdotal concerns fall under the purview of the pitching coach. Good time for a change in my estimation.
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Post by inger on Oct 28, 2019 21:49:56 GMT -5
I generally was pleased with Rothschild initially in his Yankee tenure, but instances this and last season have tempered any reaction of incredulity regarding his departure. Some posters mentioned tipping pitches last season with Severino and this season with Paxton. But, I also recall similar problems at times with Betances, Tanaka, and German. Luckily, Carlos Beltran has occasionally provided intel to the Yankees. Additionally, Loaisiga and Green had their glove positions tweaked at AAA in order to recover the spin rate on their fastballs. Hale and Cortes always appear sharper with their pitching mechanics after being sent down. Why the erosion? Such adjustments should be recognized and implemented at the big league level. And, in some circumstances, the stint at AAA was very short yet a solution found upon return....nevertheless evidently unavailable in the Bronx. Lastly, it seemed apparent to me that the Astros and the Rays pitching staffs have taken better advantage of the high strike the last few years. And, this includes utilizing breaking balls at the top of the zone. Too many home runs this season and last season were on fastballs waist high away, as well as a pattern of ball fours on doubled-up breaking balls low and low/away that never sniff the strike zone. Patterns with little to no variation or modification. Did anyone notice that when Happ went back to his old pattern with more fastballs attacking the top of the zone, he began to recover last year’s form? Too many of these anecdotal concerns fall under the purview of the pitching coach. Good time for a change in my estimation. Thoroughly stated and in line with my memories and observations... |
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Post by inger on Oct 28, 2019 21:57:51 GMT -5
He was complaining that the Yankees wanted him to throw it for a strike even when he was behind in the count... he might have the same % of sliders thrown this year, but he only used them ahead in the count, as a put away pitch, out of the zone... www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2019/5/23/18635027/sonny-gray-cincinnati-reds-new-york-yankees-baseball-savant-slider-movement-fastball-spin-rate That sounds like a load of crap to me. The times I saw him pitch he'd get ahead in the count 0-2 or 1-2 and then start nibbling. Next thing you know it's 3-2 and he's walking the guy (because, you know, you don't want to throw a strike when you're behind in the count) or he'd get hammered. It was maddening to watch. The nibbling was maddening and atrociously so. I know Gray has always been a high pitch count guy, so I assumed that to be why. He just seemed horribly bat shy during his time in NY. Was that his idea, or Rothschild’s. I blamed Gray until reading Rizzuto’s post and having my memory jogged. We saw quite a bit of that style of pitching from other members of the staff in 2018 and 2019. The one thing we know is that sometimes when you’re assembling a puzzle there’s a piece missing. Or if by chance the last piece happens to not fit, you’re just not going to get there. The Yanks apparently either bought a defective puzzle or tried to assemble it incorrectly. That happens. Gray is where he belongs now. It’s over... |
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Post by kaybli on Oct 29, 2019 2:28:52 GMT -5
I generally was pleased with Rothschild initially in his Yankee tenure, but instances this and last season have tempered any reaction of incredulity regarding his departure. Some posters mentioned tipping pitches last season with Severino and this season with Paxton. But, I also recall similar problems at times with Betances, Tanaka, and German. Luckily, Carlos Beltran has occasionally provided intel to the Yankees. Additionally, Loaisiga and Green had their glove positions tweaked at AAA in order to recover the spin rate on their fastballs. Hale and Cortes always appear sharper with their pitching mechanics after being sent down. Why the erosion? Such adjustments should be recognized and implemented at the big league level. And, in some circumstances, the stint at AAA was very short yet a solution found upon return....nevertheless evidently unavailable in the Bronx. Lastly, it seemed apparent to me that the Astros and the Rays pitching staffs have taken better advantage of the high strike the last few years. And, this includes utilizing breaking balls at the top of the zone. Too many home runs this season and last season were on fastballs waist high away, as well as a pattern of ball fours on doubled-up breaking balls low and low/away that never sniff the strike zone. Patterns with little to no variation or modification. Did anyone notice that when Happ went back to his old pattern with more fastballs attacking the top of the zone, he began to recover last year’s form? Too many of these anecdotal concerns fall under the purview of the pitching coach. Good time for a change in my estimation. Excellent post. |
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Post by greatfatness on Oct 29, 2019 4:06:42 GMT -5
I don’t know Sonny Gray well enough to judge his character and haven’t looked at his social media account. He certainly struggled to pitch in NY, and maybe to fit in socially. Sometimes good people disagree or dislike certain aspects of management and need to move on. Overall, I think of myself as a pretty decent guy. I’d rather not have people dredge up things I said or did as a teen or in my early twenties. They weren’t perfect things. When we take a man at his lowest measure in his worst times, we often see things that are offensive or disappointing. People do make changes as they live. When it’s done right, living is learning. I hope Gray succeeds and continues to grow as a human being. The same with Rothschild, who incidentally is the same age as me. The need to have to continue to strive to remain relevant in life is fine with me, and likely with him, too. If it is, he’ll grab another job and do so. I’m not going to stand up and defend Gray, nor condemn Rothschild. Relationships go awry. Sometimes one person in the relationship is more at fault than the other. More often, they both are... PS: The only thing I saw Tweeted by Gray was a reply he sent someone that read: 1. You didn’t finish college. 2. You are black. That’s it. I didn’t see the Tweet he was replying to or commenting on, so with that small amount of information, I’m baffled as to what went on...Do I care about the rest of the incident? Maybe. On a minimalistic level... It was pretty well covered at the time that the way he handled that within the clubhouse was not respected by his teammates and the front office. Since you and I aren’t public figures the comparison to our lives doesn’t hold. For these guys, as public figures they are accountable to being asked about their personal lives. And when they do, how they handle (or don’t) it impacts their teammates. It was pretty clear from what Cashman said at the time that Gray left them with an imperative to get him out of the clubhouse and that decision was driven by more than just his mediocre pitching. Add to that the way he’s since pointed the finger at others for his own performance and it paints a picture of someone who doesn’t own his own performance and actions. That’s not what makes this team successful. But there is probably more to the story than we are being told so far. And Rizzutto covers it pretty well in his post I think. I also think it is possible that Hal and Cash are somewhat throwing him under the bus for the Verlander situation and others where pitchers are going elsewhere and succeeding in a way they didn’t with the Yankees, like Lance Lynn for example. Cash hired a new organizational pitching coach last season for the minors and they very well may want to have a consistent approach throughout the system, which might not mesh with how Larry does things, and at this point he’s probably a pretty finished product. |
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Post by greatfatness on Oct 29, 2019 6:12:31 GMT -5
From Lindsay Adler’s article at The Atlantic Larry Rothschild’s firing highlights a radical overhaul of the Yankees’ pitching development infrastructure theathletic.com/1331317/2019/10/28/larry-rothschilds-firing-highlights-a-radical-overhaul-of-the-yankees-pitching-development-infrastructure/“Although Rothschild is the only announced change to the major league pitching staff, his dismissal comes as the organization is turning over nearly their entire pitching development infrastructure. In a radical overhauling of their minor league coaching system, the Yankees fired the pitching coaches at nearly all of their affiliate levels. The changes throughout the organization have been taking place over the course of the season. Danny Borrell, who spent 11 seasons working in the Yankees minor league system and the last five as their lead pitching coordinator, left to become the pitching coach at Georgia Tech. The Yankees then hired Sam Briend as their new director of pitching, a role that would have overseen Borrell. He was previously the director of player development at Driveline Baseball. The Yankees also recently dismissed Scott Aldred, who was the pitching coordinator at the high-minors level. Other changes include: Tim Norton, pitching coach for the Double A Trenton Thunder; Gabe Luckert, pitching coach for the Low A Charleston RiverDogs; and Justin Pope, pitching coach for the Gulf Coast Yankees. Tommy Phelps, the pitching coach for the Triple A RailRiders, was retained. It should be expected that the Yankees finally turn fully “new school” in their hiring process for a new pitching coach. Their analytics department is one of the most extensive in the major leagues and they have invested heavily in the new pitching technology that assists pitchers in pitch design and in refining their mechanics. Briend will likely have significant influence as the Yankees go through the process of hiring a new major league pitching coach. Some teams in the major leagues are now carrying two primary pitching coaches on their staffs now. Across town, the Mets replaced pitching coach Dave Eiland in June with 82-year-old Phil Regan and 37-year-old Jeremy Accardo as a pitching strategist. The Braves employ pitching coach Rick Kranitz and bullpen coach Marty Reed. The Yankees have done well with the double-barreled approach from hitting coach Marcus Thames and assistant hitting coach P.J. Pilittere.” |
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Post by greatfatness on Oct 30, 2019 5:52:08 GMT -5
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Post by sierchio on Oct 30, 2019 6:40:51 GMT -5
I've said several times I like Coney's insights into pitching. He seems like a good communicator and seems like he'd be a good teacher/mentor. Plus, he can teach the relief crew how to keep busy in the bullpen.. LOL. I don't know how well that would all translate into an actual pitching coach gig, but I like what he has to say during his commentary on the YES Network. I selfishly wouldn't want him to get the PC job bc I'd miss him on YES... I'll never forget "Ian Kennedy got jerked off in the bullpen"
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Post by greatfatness on Oct 30, 2019 9:27:10 GMT -5
I've said several times I like Coney's insights into pitching. He seems like a good communicator and seems like he'd be a good teacher/mentor. Plus, he can teach the relief crew how to keep busy in the bullpen.. LOL. I don't know how well that would all translate into an actual pitching coach gig, but I like what he has to say during his commentary on the YES Network. I selfishly wouldn't want him to get the PC job bc I'd miss him on YES... I'll never forget "Ian Kennedy got jerked off in the bullpen" I’ll be surprised if they went this route. I think the team benefits more from having him as a broadcaster than a pitching coach and they are more likely looking for someone like Briend who already thinks somewhat the way they’re trying to rebuild the entire system. |
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Post by sierchio on Oct 30, 2019 10:39:31 GMT -5
I agree I don't think it's the direction they'll take... but Coney is the man, so I wouldn't fault them. I don't know anything about this Briend character...
What about that rumor A-Rod is interviewing for the Mets???? Just a rumor??
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Post by inger on Oct 30, 2019 10:44:02 GMT -5
I agree I don't think it's the direction they'll take... but Coney is the man, so I wouldn't fault them. I don't know anything about this Briend character... What about that rumor A-Rod is interviewing for the Mets???? Just a rumor?? More like a prayer. Anything to get him away from the Yankees... |
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Post by greatfatness on Oct 30, 2019 11:28:00 GMT -5
I agree I don't think it's the direction they'll take... but Coney is the man, so I wouldn't fault them. I don't know anything about this Briend character... What about that rumor A-Rod is interviewing for the Mets???? Just a rumor?? I hope the Mets hire Rodriguez. That clown and that organization are made for each other - both wish they were something they’re not and try way to hard to pretend. A person, an ownership and and an organization each lacking in authentic character of their own. Perfect match. Briend is the guy the Yanks hired from Driveline to be the minor league pitching coordinator. They are at the forefront of the current explosion of expertise tied to pitching mechanics. I expect their next pitching coach to be someone from that arena, not a traditional major league retread. |
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Post by greatfatness on Oct 30, 2019 11:29:28 GMT -5
Two college coaches being interviewed.
9:09 am: The Yankees are also set to interview Arkansas pitching coach Matt Hobbs today, reports Kendall Rogers of D1Baseball (via Twitter). Hobbs was Johnson’s replacement in Fayetteville. Like Fetter, he’s a young, technologically-savvy coach from a major college program. Rogers adds that he expects the Yankees to continue looking into candidates from the amateur ranks.
7:58 am: The Yankees have interviewed University of Michigan pitching coach Chris Fetter in their search to fill the same position, reports Jeff Passan of ESPN (via Twitter). Fetter has drawn “significant interest” from other MLB clubs, including the crosstown Mets, Passan adds, although it’s unclear if he has formally interviewed with any other organization.
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Post by kaybli on Oct 30, 2019 11:45:31 GMT -5
I agree I don't think it's the direction they'll take... but Coney is the man, so I wouldn't fault them. I don't know anything about this Briend character... What about that rumor A-Rod is interviewing for the Mets???? Just a rumor?? I hope the Mets hire Rodriguez. That clown and that organization are made for each other - both wish they were something they’re not and try way to hard to pretend. A person, an ownership and and an organization each lacking in authentic character of their own. Perfect match.  Please hire A-Rod. That would be so great. |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 30, 2019 16:21:47 GMT -5
I hope the Mets hire Rodriguez. That clown and that organization are made for each other - both wish they were something they’re not and try way to hard to pretend. A person, an ownership and and an organization each lacking in authentic character of their own. Perfect match. Please hire A-Rod. That would be so great. At least it would get him off those ESPN Sunday Night broadcasts. |
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Please hire A-Rod. That would be so great. 