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Post by inger on Feb 10, 2020 21:15:57 GMT -5
Nobody in the United States has ever been convicted of a crime for failing a drug test though... unless maybe if they were in a car accident and they drew blood... but yeah, he'd actually have to be caught with the drugs... just sayin... People on the US have lost jobs due to drug testing. I witnessed some drivers being sent out for random testing and never coming back. In one particular case the guy claimed that he had no idea why, but he just was unable to produce urine. Once he failed to produce (though he was alone in a rest room with his cup) he was let go For failing to produce proof of his sobriety at the scheduled testing time...Seemed he probably did his job and cooperated as well or better than any other driver we had, too. I guess the hose on his truck worked better than his hose did... |
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Post by greatfatness on Feb 10, 2020 21:18:08 GMT -5
Nobody in the United States has ever been convicted of a crime for failing a drug test though... unless maybe if they were in a car accident and they drew blood... but yeah, he'd actually have to be caught with the drugs... just sayin... He did more than fail a drug test. He purchased illegal drugs and committed fraud to cover it up. Absolutely people have been convicted for that. They’re just not famous and wealthy. |
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Post by inger on Feb 10, 2020 21:22:27 GMT -5
Nobody in the United States has ever been convicted of a crime for failing a drug test though... unless maybe if they were in a car accident and they drew blood... but yeah, he'd actually have to be caught with the drugs... just sayin... He did more than fail a drug test. He purchased illegal drugs and committed fraud to cover it up. Absolutely people have been convicted for that. They’re just not famous and wealthy. Since a cousin of his was revealed to be his source, a deeper search might have even implicated A-Rod in trafficking if the drugs were changing hands from Yuri to A-Rod to someone like Cano. (“Here Robbie, this is what I use. Try them out, let me know what you think. I can hook you up)”... |
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Post by greatfatness on Feb 11, 2020 13:11:55 GMT -5
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Post by sierchio on Feb 11, 2020 14:23:18 GMT -5
Nobody in the United States has ever been convicted of a crime for failing a drug test though... unless maybe if they were in a car accident and they drew blood... but yeah, he'd actually have to be caught with the drugs... just sayin... He did more than fail a drug test. He purchased illegal drugs and committed fraud to cover it up. Absolutely people have been convicted for that. They’re just not famous and wealthy. I know you're a lawyer and all... but I think I might have more experience with this... I've NEVER heard of ANYONE getting an illegal drug charge, when they weren't caught IN POSSESSION of the drugs.. |
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Post by rizzuto on Feb 11, 2020 16:01:38 GMT -5
He did more than fail a drug test. He purchased illegal drugs and committed fraud to cover it up. Absolutely people have been convicted for that. They’re just not famous and wealthy. I know you're a lawyer and all... but I think I might have more experience with this... I've NEVER heard of ANYONE getting an illegal drug charge, when they weren't caught IN POSSESSION of the drugs.. Would “under the influence” be considered an illegal drug change? With DUI/DWI, it is a “guilty until proven innocent” scenario. Often the money from DUIs is the largest source of revenue to municipalities, so even passing a breathalyzer (under a 0.08) can get you arrested. Most of the time, it’s your word against a single officer, who inevitably lies in his report and on the stand. Occasionally, there isn’t even a driving violation issued. (If you’re thinking this happened to me, you’re correct. And, I don’t even drink. Still cost me over 20 grand trying to defend myself and I still lost.) Same for illegal searches of automobiles because an officer “smelled marijuana,” even though none was found and no one was under the influence. Criminals with badges. |
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Post by greatfatness on Feb 11, 2020 16:18:12 GMT -5
He did more than fail a drug test. He purchased illegal drugs and committed fraud to cover it up. Absolutely people have been convicted for that. They’re just not famous and wealthy. I know you're a lawyer and all... but I think I might have more experience with this... I've NEVER heard of ANYONE getting an illegal drug charge, when they weren't caught IN POSSESSION of the drugs.. Criminal law isn’t my area of expertise but I am quite confident you can be prosecuted federally and in most states on drug charges without physically being arrested in possession at that moment. Putting that aside, do you think it is debatable that Alex Rodriguez trafficked in, purchased and used illegal drugs? I wasn’t making a legal argument, just a factual one. I think the point holds up just fine as a legal argument but as a factual one it seems irrefutable to me that he’s been treated differently than the average person. |
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Post by inger on Feb 11, 2020 16:25:41 GMT -5
I know you're a lawyer and all... but I think I might have more experience with this... I've NEVER heard of ANYONE getting an illegal drug charge, when they weren't caught IN POSSESSION of the drugs.. Criminal law isn’t my area of expertise but I am quite confident you can be prosecuted federally and in most states on drug charges without physically being arrested in possession at that moment. Putting that aside, do you think it is debatable that Alex Rodriguez trafficked in, purchased and used illegal drugs? I wasn’t making a legal argument, just a factual one. I think the point holds up just fine as a legal argument but as a factual one it seems irrefutable to me that he’s been treated differently than the average person. . If the charge was that he’s an entitled dirt bag, that holds up very well... |
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Post by greatfatness on Feb 11, 2020 16:26:07 GMT -5
I guess we should have seen this coming. |
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Post by inger on Feb 11, 2020 16:29:44 GMT -5
I guess we should have seen this coming. Life gets more bizarre every day. “I only got one batter out of nine out”. “Wanna be a nude model”?... |
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Post by Renfield on Feb 11, 2020 17:42:50 GMT -5
Life gets more bizarre every day. “I only got one batter out of nine out”. “Wanna be a nude model”?... Well, the Astros had already de-pantsed him. Why not? |
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Post by sierchio on Feb 11, 2020 17:47:59 GMT -5
I know you're a lawyer and all... but I think I might have more experience with this... I've NEVER heard of ANYONE getting an illegal drug charge, when they weren't caught IN POSSESSION of the drugs.. Criminal law isn’t my area of expertise but I am quite confident you can be prosecuted federally and in most states on drug charges without physically being arrested in possession at that moment. Putting that aside, do you think it is debatable that Alex Rodriguez trafficked in, purchased and used illegal drugs? I wasn’t making a legal argument, just a factual one. I think the point holds up just fine as a legal argument but as a factual one it seems irrefutable to me that he’s been treated differently than the average person. Oh no, he def. was juiced up. I thought you brought up him being treated differently by not having legal ramifications. In that sense, I don't think he was treated differently than any other person. MMA athletes get bused for elevated test and steroids and all those performance enhancers all that time and if anything, I think A-Rod got treated differently than the average athlete... as in he got way more bad publicity... |
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Post by sierchio on Feb 11, 2020 17:50:06 GMT -5
I know you're a lawyer and all... but I think I might have more experience with this... I've NEVER heard of ANYONE getting an illegal drug charge, when they weren't caught IN POSSESSION of the drugs.. Criminal law isn’t my area of expertise but I am quite confident you can be prosecuted federally and in most states on drug charges without physically being arrested in possession at that moment. Putting that aside, do you think it is debatable that Alex Rodriguez trafficked in, purchased and used illegal drugs? I wasn’t making a legal argument, just a factual one. I think the point holds up just fine as a legal argument but as a factual one it seems irrefutable to me that he’s been treated differently than the average person. I thought you said something about legal ramifications. Yeah, obviously A-Rod was juiced up. No doubt about that. I think he WAS treated differently than other athletes that got caught w/ performance enhancers, as in there was a bigger deal made out of it. In MMA, fighters fail drug tests all the time.... and A-Rod was def treated way worse than they are. |
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Post by noetsi on Feb 11, 2020 18:15:20 GMT -5
"A 1994 Department of Justice study showed that 36 percent of federal drug inmates are "low-level offenders" with "minimal criminal histories" but serve an average of almost six years in prison." Speaking of juvenile crime "Drug violations are growing at a much faster rate than other offenses and comprise a higher % of all arrests. Total drug violations rose on average 5.8% per year (28.1% over 6-year period) vs. 1.5% per year growth in total juvenile arrests (7.0% over 6-year period). Drug violations now represent 10.0% of all arrests vs. 8.3% in 1990. Interestingly, the increase in drug violations is due to an increase in drug possession, not drug sale, offenses. Drug possession arrests increased 108% over the 6-year period whereas drug sale arrests declined 43% over the same period." web.stanford.edu/class/e297c/poverty_prejudice/citypoverty/california.htmThat article is older. I think it is true that in the nineties at least users went to jail. It is hard to get recent data. |
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Post by sierchio on Feb 11, 2020 19:21:47 GMT -5
Yes, users go to jail... when they're physically caught with drugs, it's called possession lol. That's not what I was trying to say man...
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