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Post by greatfatness on Jan 7, 2020 17:38:22 GMT -5
Somehow I doubt that Houston and Boston were the only teams doing something like this. Much as I like seeing Boston get hit with this, I'm going to be cautious about getting too judgmental. Boston's scheme seems to involve too many moving parts to be effective, but it was at least more subtle than Houston's. The Cora connection makes this credible. But I also agree and if tomorrow it is reported the Yankees did this I will only be slightly surprised. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 7, 2020 17:58:41 GMT -5
Agree on Cora. Maybe because you live in Boston and have a better feel for it, but you were sure on to this guy before I was.
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Post by inger on Jan 7, 2020 18:01:05 GMT -5
Agree on Cora. Maybe because you live in Boston and have a better feel for it, but you were sure on to this guy before I was. It has to be tough growing up named for a baby kangaroo...and looking a bit like one at the same time.., |
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 7, 2020 18:55:33 GMT -5
I agree with this completely.
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 7, 2020 19:00:42 GMT -5
Somehow I doubt that Houston and Boston were the only teams doing something like this. Much as I like seeing Boston get hit with this, I'm going to be cautious about getting too judgmental. Boston's scheme seems to involve too many moving parts to be effective, but it was at least more subtle than Houston's. From the article. I don’t recall coverage of the Yankees using a system to steal signs through video but again it doesn’t surprise me. It does disappoint me though and if it is true then Gardner, Judge and the other guys commenting on the Astros should really shut up. “The system the Red Sox employed was not unlike one they had used in previous seasons under a different manager, John Farrell. It was also similar to one the Yankees and other teams had employed before MLB started its crackdown. (Hitters can legally visit the replay room during games to study some video.)“ |
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 7, 2020 19:01:24 GMT -5
“ A staff member in the Red Sox’s video replay room would tell a player the current sign sequence. The player would return to the dugout, delivering the message on foot, rather than through a wearable device or a phone.
“There was constant movement,” said one person who was with the 2018 Red Sox. “They were always trying to figure out the system.”
Someone in the dugout would relay the information to the baserunner, leaving the runner with two easy steps: Watch the catcher’s signs and, with body movements, tell the hitter what’s coming.
In daily hitters’ meetings, Red Sox players and personnel would review their communication methods for that day.
The runner would let the hitter know if he was aware of the sequence. “Put two feet on the bag or look out into center field, and do something that’s subtle,” as one Red Sox source described it.
The runner stepping off the bag with the right foot first could mean fastball; left foot first, a breaking ball or off-speed pitch.”
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 7, 2020 19:09:06 GMT -5
More on the Yankees activities from the article
“ As far back as 2015, the Yankees used the video replay room to learn other teams’ sign sequences, multiple sources told The Athletic. Other teams likely were doing the same. Sources said the Red Sox began doing it no later than 2016.
“Oftentimes it takes a player to show up and be like ‘You f—— morons, you’re not doing this?’” said one American League executive.
Reviewing past footage before games was legal then, and remains legal today. That includes a study of sign sequences, or pitch tipping — determining if a pitcher looks or acts differently depending on the pitch he is about to throw.
But in the middle of the decade, MLB had a broad rule forbidding the use of electronic equipment in sign stealing: “No equipment may be used for the purpose of stealing signs or conveying information designed to give a Club an advantage.”
The league today says that there was some “gray area” in that rule. Information from the replay room was not communicated directly to the hitter; teams needed a runner on second base to serve as a conduit.
“I’m just telling you from a broad perspective, living it, it didn’t feel that wrong,” said one player who used the replay-room system with the Yankees as far back as 2015. “It was there for everyone, that’s all.”
Veteran players who were skilled at picking up tendencies by watching on-field action knew what to look for on video as well.
“If I could figure out the signs from the telecast, I was not going to hold on to that information,” that former Yankee said. “I was going to share that with whomever.”
By 2017, with rules governing electronic sign stealing still lacking the specificity that would come the next season, the Red Sox, Yankees and Astros were all using their replay rooms to help decode sign sequences in some way, sources said. ”
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Post by kaybli on Jan 7, 2020 19:33:34 GMT -5
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jan 13, 2020 14:20:28 GMT -5
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Post by NewYawka on Jan 13, 2020 14:21:45 GMT -5
Assuming the Astros are found guilty (which evidence seems to say they will be), Luhnow and Hinch should be suspended for a year. That would hurt them in the short term. In addition, the team should lose draft picks and international spending money. That would hurt them in the long run. If MLB wants to make a statement, go big. No more slaps on the hand. You hit them hard and other teams may think twice about trying something similar. I'm going to go ahead and pat myself on the back for this one!  Luhnow an Hinch are both suspended for a year and the Astros will forfeit their 1st and 2nd round picks in 2020 and 2021. The team will also be fined $5M. Nailed it!!! |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jan 13, 2020 14:22:13 GMT -5
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Post by desousa on Jan 13, 2020 14:46:54 GMT -5
Assuming the Astros are found guilty (which evidence seems to say they will be), Luhnow and Hinch should be suspended for a year. That would hurt them in the short term. In addition, the team should lose draft picks and international spending money. That would hurt them in the long run. If MLB wants to make a statement, go big. No more slaps on the hand. You hit them hard and other teams may think twice about trying something similar. I'm going to go ahead and pat myself on the back for this one! [img class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/IyJhWnUbqfppgNdcNHpb.gif" alt=" "] Luhnow an Hinch are both suspended for a year and the Astros will forfeit their 1st and 2nd round picks in 2020 and 2021. The team will also be fined $5M. Nailed it!!! Good call NewYawka. |
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Post by kaybli on Jan 13, 2020 15:00:03 GMT -5
Merged your post into this thread, anthony. Well, its good to see a serious punishment. Though the players should have been suspended too. Also, I wish they would take away the championship. At least it will be forever tainted. |
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Post by kaybli on Jan 13, 2020 15:02:30 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Jan 13, 2020 15:03:48 GMT -5
Assuming the Astros are found guilty (which evidence seems to say they will be), Luhnow and Hinch should be suspended for a year. That would hurt them in the short term. In addition, the team should lose draft picks and international spending money. That would hurt them in the long run. If MLB wants to make a statement, go big. No more slaps on the hand. You hit them hard and other teams may think twice about trying something similar. I'm going to go ahead and pat myself on the back for this one! [img class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/IyJhWnUbqfppgNdcNHpb.gif" alt=" "] Luhnow an Hinch are both suspended for a year and the Astros will forfeit their 1st and 2nd round picks in 2020 and 2021. The team will also be fined $5M. Nailed it!!! Good job, NewYawka! |
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