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Post by chiyankee on Jan 3, 2024 20:48:41 GMT -5
Yep, songs have generally been in the 2-3 minute timeframe since the invention of the 78 rpm, which couldn't hold much more time than that on a side. People have been more or less trained to use that as a framework. I do know there were some records that would deliberately understate their time to avoid being cut out of radio programming. As far as I know, "Stay" by Maurice Williams & The Zodiacs was the shortest song to get airplay at 1:51. Four Seasons redo kept it under 2:00. I only know that song from Jackson Browne's "The Load-out / Stay" closer from Running on Empty. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jan 3, 2024 20:52:54 GMT -5
As far as I know, "Stay" by Maurice Williams & The Zodiacs was the shortest song to get airplay at 1:51. Four Seasons redo kept it under 2:00. I only know that song from Jackson Browne's "The Load-out / Stay" closer from Running on Empty. Great live performance! |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 3, 2024 20:53:57 GMT -5
As far as I know, "Stay" by Maurice Williams & The Zodiacs was the shortest song to get airplay at 1:51. Four Seasons redo kept it under 2:00. I only know that song from Jackson Browne's "The Load-out / Stay" closer from Running on Empty. Yep...Jackson Browne did "Stay" with an obvious change in lyrics. Living in SoCal OC, I saw him in small, local venues before "Doctor My Eyes". Very talented guy... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 3, 2024 20:58:01 GMT -5
I only know that song from Jackson Browne's "The Load-out / Stay" closer from Running on Empty. Great live performance! I like the part about "now the promoter don't mind and the union don't mind." Maurice Williams never considered lyrics like that. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 3, 2024 20:59:38 GMT -5
LOL..."Stay" was actually 1:38. I'M THE WINNER!!!! That one was a quickie… I actually could still see my old Box Tops record with the blue label where it said 1:50 on it… I didn’t know whether to feel like I had been cheated or not. Play a few more notes before the fade out, guys!… Looks like most of the Box Tops have been cashed in for, maybe, decoder rings. Reminds me of another Southern Group...Spiral Starecase www.youtube.com/watch?v=89eEa3RvCF4Pat Upton...great voice. Really tight snare... |
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Post by chiyankee on Jan 3, 2024 21:01:50 GMT -5
I only know that song from Jackson Browne's "The Load-out / Stay" closer from Running on Empty. Yep...Jackson Browne did "Stay" with an obvious change in lyrics. Living in SoCal OC, I saw him in small, local venues before "Doctor My Eyes". Very talented guy... That had to be cool, seeing those Laurel Canyon west coast artists before they made it big. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 3, 2024 21:02:02 GMT -5
I only know that song from Jackson Browne's "The Load-out / Stay" closer from Running on Empty. Yep...Jackson Browne did "Stay" with an obvious change in lyrics. Living in SoCal OC, I saw him in small, local venues before "Doctor My Eyes". Very talented guy... Where in OC did you live? I lived in LA County for five very happy years near Pasadena. But we often breached The Orange Curtain to go to Huntington and Laguna and Dana Point. My office for awhile was in Seal Beach. And we had to regularly hit Buena Park for Mrs. Knott's Fried Chicken at Knott's Berry Farm. Loved those long-gone days. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 3, 2024 21:04:52 GMT -5
Yep...Jackson Browne did "Stay" with an obvious change in lyrics. Living in SoCal OC, I saw him in small, local venues before "Doctor My Eyes". Very talented guy... Where in OC did you live? I lived in LA County for five very happy years near Pasadena. But we often breached The Orange Curtain to go to Huntington and Laguna and Dana Point. My office for awhile was in Seal Beach. And we had to regularly hit Buena Park for Mrs. Knott's Fried Chicken at Knott's Berry Farm. Loved those long-gone days. All over OC...Buena Park (not far from Knotts's), Garden Grove, Orange...last place was Anaheim Hills before moving to Colorado. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 3, 2024 21:05:00 GMT -5
That one was a quickie… I actually could still see my old Box Tops record with the blue label where it said 1:50 on it… I didn’t know whether to feel like I had been cheated or not. Play a few more notes before the fade out, guys!… Looks like most of the Box Tops have been cashed in for, maybe, decoder rings. Reminds me of another Southern Group...Spiral Starecase www.youtube.com/watch?v=89eEa3RvCF4Pat Upton...great voice. Really tight snare... Pat Upton was indeed a good one. Close buds with Rick Nelson. In fact I believe it was at Upton's club that Rick made his last performance before getting on that plane. Not 100 percent sure. They had a nice follow-up called "She's Ready" that got some play. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 3, 2024 21:08:38 GMT -5
Where in OC did you live? I lived in LA County for five very happy years near Pasadena. But we often breached The Orange Curtain to go to Huntington and Laguna and Dana Point. My office for awhile was in Seal Beach. And we had to regularly hit Buena Park for Mrs. Knott's Fried Chicken at Knott's Berry Farm. Loved those long-gone days. All over OC...Buena Park (not far from Knotts's), Garden Grove, Orange...last place was Anaheim Hills before moving to Colorado. Nice. I think a lot of the Angels' players lived in Anaheim Hills. And of course the great Leo Fender changed the music world from his shop in Fullerton. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 3, 2024 21:08:40 GMT -5
Looks like most of the Box Tops have been cashed in for, maybe, decoder rings. Reminds me of another Southern Group...Spiral Starecase www.youtube.com/watch?v=89eEa3RvCF4Pat Upton...great voice. Really tight snare... Pat Upton was indeed a good one. Close buds with Rick Nelson. In fact I believe it was at Upton's club that Rick made his last performance before getting on that plane. Not 100 percent sure. They had a nice follow-up called "She's Ready" that got some play. For some reason, I always associate "Spiral Starecase" with "The Happenings"... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 3, 2024 21:10:46 GMT -5
l Not so fast Bison Breath. “The Letter” by <The BoxTops> clocked in at a quick and easy 1:50… and hit #1… 🤓 LOL..."Stay" was actually 1:38. I'M THE WINNER!!!! Still 21 seconds longer than Duane Eddy. He could have recorded a whole other record in that space. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 3, 2024 21:11:45 GMT -5
Pat Upton was indeed a good one. Close buds with Rick Nelson. In fact I believe it was at Upton's club that Rick made his last performance before getting on that plane. Not 100 percent sure. They had a nice follow-up called "She's Ready" that got some play. For some reason, I always associate "Spiral Starecase" with "The Happenings"... Both high tenor lead singers I guess. Although The Happenings did have a few more hits. On B.T. Puppy records. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jan 3, 2024 21:16:06 GMT -5
I like the part about "now the promoter don't mind and the union don't mind." Maurice Williams never considered lyrics like that. At one concert Sarah and I attended in California, Jackson Browne before his second encore acknowledged he was bound by union rules to not go past (insert time), so this would have to be the last song, stating he didn't want to see the roadies and others penalized. He said if it were just him being fined, he would not mind. Essentially, he explained he wasn't leaving anytime soon to another gig, he enjoyed the crowd that night, and didn't feel tired yet. Everyone left that evening in such good spirits and feeling positive. Great night! |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 3, 2024 21:16:15 GMT -5
LOL..."Stay" was actually 1:38. I'M THE WINNER!!!! That one was a quickie… I actually could still see my old Box Tops record with the blue label where it said 1:50 on it… I didn’t know whether to feel like I had been cheated or not. Play a few more notes before the fade out, guys!… That blue label was Mala Records. Which also gave us Ronnie and the Daytonas "Little GTO" and "Sandy." Love those off-brand companies. |
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