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Post by anthonyd46 on Nov 17, 2020 2:37:44 GMT -5
sports.yahoo.com/schilling-clemens-bonds-leading-candidates-hall-ballot-172014546--mlb.htmlOver 60% last year: Curt Schilling: 278 (70%) -- 9th Roger Clemens: 242 (61%) -- 9th Barry Bonds: 241 (60.7%) -- 9th Still on ballot, but less than 60%: Omar Vizquel: 209 (52.6%) -- 4th Scott Rolen: 140 (35.3%) -- 4th Billy Wagner: 126 (31.7%) -- 6th Gary Sheffield: 121 (30.5%) -- 7th Todd Helton: 116 (29.2%) -- 3rd Manny Ramirez: 112 (28.2%) -- 5th Jeff Kent: 109 (27.5%) -- 8th Andruw Jones: 77 (19.4%) -- 4th Sammy Sosa: 55 (13.9%) -- 9th Andy Pettitte: 45 (11.3%) -- 3rd Bobby Abreu: 22 (5.5%) -- 2nd New to the ballot: Dan Haren LaTroy Hawkins Aramis Ramirez Michael Cuddyer Nick Swisher Shane Victorino Barry Zito Tim Hudson Mark Buehrle A.J. Burnett Torii Hunter It might be a year where no one makes it. Which could be trouble for some of these names as these people will join the ballot in 2022: CARL CRAWFORD PRINCE FIELDER RYAN HOWARD TIM LINCECUM JOE NATHAN DAVID ORTÍZ JONATHAN PAPELBON JAKE PEAVY A.J. PIERZYNSKI ALEX RODRÍGUEZ JIMMY ROLLINS MARK TEIXEIRA
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Post by kaybli on Nov 17, 2020 3:05:24 GMT -5
Hope none of the top three from last year make it this year.
Go Bobby Abreu!
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Post by anthonyd46 on Nov 17, 2020 3:18:03 GMT -5
Barry Zito, Tim Hudson, Mark Buehrle and A.J. Burnett, and outfielder Torii Hunter are also new the ballot. Some of those had great periods of time, but i don't think any of them strung together enough of that greatness to qualify.
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Nov 17, 2020 6:54:06 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Nov 17, 2020 6:54:06 GMT -5
I guess I’d be okay with Schilling getting in. He was a talented pitcher. Yeah, he’s obnoxious, and he probably used a red Sanford marker to make his bloody sock... He worked a long time early in his career to build up to be the pitcher he became on the back end of it...
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Post by rizzuto on Nov 17, 2020 19:28:42 GMT -5
I guess I’d be okay with Schilling getting in. He was a talented pitcher. Yeah, he’s obnoxious, and he probably used a red Sanford marker to make his bloody sock... He worked a long time early in his career to build up to be the pitcher he became on the back end of it... Schilling benefited from pitching in the National League, which suppressed his ERA, WHIP, hits per inning and increased his strikeouts. If you look at his splits in the American League, he comes back to the pack a bit. Andy Pettitte is never considered in the same tier as Schilling, but he pitched in the AL East for essentially his entire career with somewhat similar numbers, except strikeouts, as Pettitte pitched more to contact with the cutter. |
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 18, 2020 10:32:13 GMT -5
I'd vote no to all the new guys on the ballot. There's plenty of real good players on that list, but none of them HOF worthy.
From the leftovers, I go with:
Bonds
Clemens
M Ramirez
Schilling
Sheffield
I can't going back and fort on Helton and Wagner. I should look deeper into their numbers.
Don Mattingly, Thurman Munson and Lou Whitaker are no longer on the ballot, but I would vote for them too.
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Nov 18, 2020 11:33:29 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Nov 18, 2020 11:33:29 GMT -5
I'd vote no to all the new guys on the ballot. There's plenty of real good players on that list, but none of them HOF worthy. From the leftovers, I go with: Bonds Clemens M Ramirez Schilling Sheffield I can't going back and fort on Helton and Wagner. I should look deeper into their numbers. Don Mattingly, Thurman Munson and Lou Whitaker are no longer on the ballot, but I would vote for them too. Helton posted numbers that would easily put him in the Hall of Fame in many eras or situations. The moose at the table is Coors field and his splits at home and away. But, there are other players that got in despite having that moose along with them. Then, we also have the elephant in the room. It was the steroid era. Did he, or didn’t he? Only his supplier could know for sure. I’ve never heard him rumored to have indulged. Finally, there’s a giraffe sipping from a carafe (well, I didn’t have to make a rhyme, but I did anyway). Because it was the steroid era, Todd had very little black ink. And because Tony Gwynn was there, Todd only got one batting title. I suppose stealing one from Gwynn to be quite a feat. I vote either a highly regrettable no, or maybe a regrettable yes. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Nov 18, 2020 14:48:48 GMT -5
I'd vote no to all the new guys on the ballot. There's plenty of real good players on that list, but none of them HOF worthy. From the leftovers, I go with: Bonds Clemens M Ramirez Schilling Sheffield I can't going back and fort on Helton and Wagner. I should look deeper into their numbers. Don Mattingly, Thurman Munson and Lou Whitaker are no longer on the ballot, but I would vote for them too. Helton posted numbers that would easily put him in the Hall of Fame in many eras or situations. The moose at the table is Coors field and his splits at home and away. But, there are other players that got in despite having that moose along with them. Then, we also have the elephant in the room. It was the steroid era. Did he, or didn’t he? Only his supplier could know for sure. I’ve never heard him rumored to have indulged. Finally, there’s a giraffe sipping from a carafe (well, I didn’t have to make a rhyme, but I did anyway). Because it was the steroid era, Todd had very little black ink. And because Tony Gwynn was there, Todd only got one batting title. I suppose stealing one from Gwynn to be quite a feat. I vote either a highly regrettable no, or maybe a regrettable yes. I think he's going to get pretty close eventually. Walker in a similar situation with Coors field being one his cons of why not selecting him was in the 20%'s at one time and slowly raised each year so its possible in 4-5 years he could get in at the end like Walker did. Obviously if any of the big questionable names get in it opens the door a lot for some of these fence candidates. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jan 9, 2021 18:57:57 GMT -5
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Post by chiyankee on Jan 9, 2021 19:42:42 GMT -5
Strange the lack of support for Wagner and Jones. A lot of the other guys have PED history so I get it, even if I don't agree with it.
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Post by inger on Jan 9, 2021 21:31:21 GMT -5
Wait until the last day of voting. After every one goes to bed, elections can change... 😂 |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jan 10, 2021 2:10:22 GMT -5
Strange the lack of support for Wagner and Jones. A lot of the other guys have PED history so I get it, even if I don't agree with it. Andruw Jones is a weird case. He had one of the greatest runs from 1996-2007 with the Braves. Then he went to the Dodgers and things just kind of fell apart. He did a little better with the White Sox and Yankees, but still not back to his normal state. I remember in 2012 he played quite a bit and did well for most of the season, but fell off near the end. The case for him is you have to look at those seasons between 1996-2007 and decide if that is enough and i feel this article definitely makes a case for him: www.forbes.com/sites/danschlossberg/2020/12/01/andruw-jones-hopes-hall-of-fame-voters-recall-his-defensive-prowess/?sh=57ed62ea7fbb |
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Post by noetsi on Jan 24, 2021 20:35:43 GMT -5
The fact that he was in his fifties on the dodgers probably impacted his results  |
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Post by inger on Jan 24, 2021 20:40:38 GMT -5
The fact that he was in his fifties on the dodgers probably impacted his results He just PLAYED like he was in his fifties when he was on the Dodgers. Russ... |
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Post by noetsi on Jan 24, 2021 20:45:48 GMT -5
The fact that he was in his fifties on the dodgers probably impacted his results He just PLAYED like he was in his fifties when he was on the Dodgers. Russ... I am not sure. I have real doubts about his birth certificate |
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