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Post by kaybli on Jul 11, 2021 23:28:27 GMT -5
Yet they keep pitching to him.. Where is that awful tattoo near his clavicle that his teammates were saying was the reason for his shirt squeezing? There was no evidence of ever having a tattoo, much less a removal of one. That's what I was saying. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 11, 2021 23:32:03 GMT -5
Where is that awful tattoo near his clavicle that his teammates were saying was the reason for his shirt squeezing? There was no evidence of ever having a tattoo, much less a removal of one. That's what I was saying. Cheating gnome. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 11, 2021 23:37:19 GMT -5
I didn't watch this game from home, so that at least limited the property damage. Wasn't it obvious after his first two batters that Green just didn't have it today? Virtually every pitch he threw looked very hittable. It's more surprising that he got one out than that he allowed four runs, plus two inherited. I think Boone was simply shell-shocked and couldn't make a move. Of all the things that bothered me, the thing that bothered me most was allowing Altuve to beat them. He lives for these moments. Walk him, drill him, whatever, and probably Brantley beats you anyway, but Altuve is almost a cinch. It's like when Ortiz was playing, I was furious any time they pitched to him in a close game after the seventh inning. It almost always came back to bite them. Make any other player on the team beat you. Edgar Martinez, George Brett, Frank Robinson-- no, don't try it. The All Star break comes at a perfect time. As stomach-churning as this loss is, I think most of us would have signed up for a 4-2 road trip against Seattle and Houston. But it won't mean much unless the Yankees do a number on Boston, at least six of eight to make any progress. In the 26 years of the Wild Card, a Wild Card team has won the ring seven times. Three of those times came consecutively in 2002, 2003 and 2004. The Yankees have been the Wild Card team seven times, and in none of those years did they even make it to the Series. So based on the history, your chances are a lot better if you win your division. They need to start seriously beating up on Boston. I'm not holding my breath, but I'm still not putting up the white flag. Maybe an off-white or a cream, but not a white flag. We seldom ever made Ortiz move his feet, even after Pedro hit Jeter and Knoblauch, taking them out of the game. |
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Post by inger on Jul 11, 2021 23:58:04 GMT -5
I understand all of that, Rizz. The one thing in that whole paragraph I’m not getting anymore is OPS. You take two numbers that have nothing to do with each other and you add them together. With OPS itself not being an accurate assessment of a hitter, his then does OPS+ become meaningful. It’s Noetsi math. Don’t misunderstand, it has meaning, but I don’t think it’s as accurate as the baseball world seems to think it is…It’s only a basic understanding of two important skill sets combined. Maybe it’s the best that can be done, but I don’t think so. Anyway, I was just venting. I recognize the difference between what Stanton is doing and the helicopter swing theory. The dude is hitting Line drives. If he could do so should making better contact he’d have a great season. Strange, not long ago in another thread, you were advocating for OPS+, and I wrote my caution for the primary use of that measure. What changed your mind? And, Noetsi never lists OPS or OPS+, usually only batting average. So, what measures should I use now to indicate that Stanton is hardly the problem offensively? His batting average is right in line with his career average, as is his OBP. He’s second on the team in home runs and RBI. What metrics are you now using to evaluate performance? I don’t hate the stat, not at all. I do think that out of what is made available to us that it’s about the best we have to work with. If we go back further into history than not long ago, I’ve always felt batting average should be included. That’s simply because a walk is NOT as good as a hit. You probably will recall me commenting that hits move runners multiple bases in many occasions, which easily qualifies as making them more important than walks. If a runner is in second with two out and a team mate walks, he doesn’t get to move. On a hit, he’s likely to score. There is no known metric that I can turn to. I do think that at least OBP + SLG x BA Has some promise, though that is not without its faults either. The first of those faults bring that it’s just as arbitrary as OPS. I don’t consider myself to be a mathematical genius. On the other hand, I do consider myself intelligent enough to see though the failure of OPS, which leads to the failure of OPS+ to satisfy my sense of what would truly work. Data is what I would need to even begin to draw up a satisfactory equation. Data that I don’t have access to. There are far more qualified mathematicians that are in the employ of MLB that do GM have access to the data. The supreme example is number of bases advanced on each type of hit, and it should be batter specific, but then the speed of his mates on base. I would settle for an MLB average mark for number of bases advanced in lieu of nothing. Baseball has “settled” for OPS because the formula is simple. Any fan either a calculator can quickly add the two unrelated but important skills together and get a false number that is accurate “enough” to satisfy the fan base. Other pieces that would need to be considered would be ISO power. Then we should also figure out what the player accomplishes on the bases vs. his peers. Does he run into outs, is he fast, slow, station to station. Do his outs advance runners? As ll of this (and I’m sure there are more pieces I’m not thinking of right now) sounds like it runs to deep and the calculations might be mind-numbing, but they aren’t. They’re a good spread sheet away from being an entrance line on a computer. Yes. This is a recent development in another way. I had simply fallen into line with common thought that OPS+ was the “it” number, even though I was never truly devout in that belief. I’ve recently been doing a lot of posts about old times players, and curiosity had driven me to review quite a few stats on BR. In so doing, I’m finding yet another, perhaps the most glaring omission of all. It’s percentage of time spent in the game. Basic attendance. A player that is off due to injury, rest, paternity, bereavement, or any reason is a negative value player. Two players can have the same OPS, but if one is only a part-time player, he doesn’t deserve the same respect as a player that plays 90% of his team’s innings. The rabbit hole here is a deep one, Rizz. I’m aware of that. We either “settle”, or we want to drill deeper. I prefer the deeper route, that’s all.I don’t want to know who’s the better hitter, I want to know who is the better offensive player. Hitters are a dime a dozen. Baseball players are not… |
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Post by inger on Jul 12, 2021 0:01:09 GMT -5
Yet they keep pitching to him.. Where is that awful tattoo near his clavicle that his teammates were saying was the reason for his shirt squeezing? There was no evidence of ever having a tattoo, much less a removal of one. He had his clavicle removed afterward in the spirit of his sincere apology for what he did. Strange that he thought it to be appropriate to remove his shirt today as if he thought that would erase his past sin. Washed in the waters of Gator Ade, Jose is once again allowed into baseball heaven… |
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Post by maizeyanks on Jul 12, 2021 10:02:54 GMT -5
Green and Chapman have elite fastballs, and used their secondary pitches in both HRs. Just an awfully sour end to a 1st half. Boston has to be licking their chops at the prospect of toying with the Yanks 8 games in next two weeks.
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