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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 15, 2022 13:01:25 GMT -5
Good for Atlanta. I like to see teams going all-out to win. Alex Anthopoulos did a masterful job last year after Acuna went down and they could have folded the tent. Supposedly Acuna is not expected back before sometime in May.
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Post by noetsi on Mar 15, 2022 13:20:05 GMT -5
Good for Atlanta. I like to see teams going all-out to win. Alex Anthopoulos did a masterful job last year after Acuna went down and they could have folded the tent. Supposedly Acuna is not expected back before sometime in May. Amen I wish we had the Braves leadership. Or even the Mets. I actually miss GS. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Mar 15, 2022 17:17:10 GMT -5
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Post by rizzuto on Mar 15, 2022 17:30:00 GMT -5
Less expensive than Freddy Freeman, and the Braves get Olson's prime years. When others are making 40 million per year, Atlanta's largest contract ever is still quite reasonable, relatively. Does anyone remember the pieces the Yankees were carefully accruing before breaking their second place AL East streak, then getting buried by The Big Red Machine in 1976? As wonderful of a World Series as Thurman Munson had, it still bothers me that Johnny Bench had an even better one: ultimately and statistically. Then, there was 1996, after the debacle in 1995 that was Edgar Martinez, Ken Griffey, Jr., and David Cone nearly walking the ball to the plate because Buck Showalter did not yet know what he had in Mariano Rivera and was angry with John Wettland for inline skating in the bowels of Yankee Stadium II. Still, the 1977 club and the 1996 had a certain symmetry. Reggie Jackson's free agent signing and the emergence of Ron Guidry; then, the shortstop position finally and with trepidation during Spring Training handed to Derek Jeter and the emergence of Andy Pettitte. Chambliss and Nettles and Pinella; Paul O'Neill and Bernie Williams and Joe Girardi. Careful moves, filling gaps, promoting from within. The 2009 was the last gasp of the Core - Derek Jeter (who led the team in WAR), Jorge Posada, Andy Pettitte and Mariano. However, let us not forget the acquisition of CC Sabathia, AJ Burnett, and Mark Teixeira. In breaking each of those periods of doldrums there was a tension, an earnest need, and key deliberate gambles taken to bring back a World Series title to the Bronx. Where is that urge, that fire, those crucial decisions to ensure the last pavers to complete the path to break the current 12-year absence from the Fall Classic? Josh Donaldson, who at 36 still hates the Yankees' organization with the same vigor as during the Toronto Blue Jays portion of his career? Isaiah Kiner-Falefa, an admitted stop-gap? Oswald Peraza, who supposedly is MLB finished product defensively? Ender Inciarte? Letting Corey Kluber walk for less money to Tampa Bay? No fire. No desperation. No letting it all ride on red. Half-Ass Hal votes for a 180 million dollar cap. The vaunted Yankee money-making engine - once compared to US Steel - now requires clipped coupons rather than the perfect solutions now in Arlington and likely Chavez Ravine. But, hey, maybe Ben Rortvedt was missed by every other MLB franchise as the key cog in the new mid-market fiscal machine. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Mar 15, 2022 17:48:48 GMT -5
Less expensive than Freddy Freeman, and the Braves get Olson's prime years. When others are making 40 million per year, Atlanta's largest contract ever is still quite reasonable, relatively. Does anyone remember the pieces the Yankees were carefully accruing before breaking their second place AL East streak, then getting buried by The Big Red Machine in 1976? As wonderful of a World Series as Thurman Munson had, it still bothers me that Johnny Bench had an even better one: ultimately and statistically. Then, there was 1996, after the debacle in 1995 that was Edgar Martinez, Ken Griffey, Jr., and David Cone nearly walking the ball to the plate because Buck Showalter did not yet know what he had in Mariano Rivera and was angry with John Wettland for inline skating in the bowels of Yankee Stadium II. Still, the 1977 club and the 1996 had a certain symmetry. Reggie Jackson's free agent signing and the emergence of Ron Guidry; then, the shortstop position finally and with trepidation during Spring Training handed to Derek Jeter and the emergence of Andy Pettitte. Chambliss and Nettles and Pinella; Paul O'Neill and Bernie Williams and Joe Girardi. Careful moves, filling gaps, promoting from within. The 2009 was the last gasp of the Core - Derek Jeter (who led the team in WAR), Jorge Posada, Andy Pettitte and Mariano. However, let us not forget the acquisition of CC Sabathia, AJ Burnett, and Mark Teixeira. In breaking each of those periods of doldrums there was a tension, an earnest need, and key deliberate gambles taken to bring back a World Series title to the Bronx. Where is that urge, that fire, those crucial decisions to ensure the last pavers to complete the path to break the current 12-year absence from the Fall Classic? Josh Donaldson, who at 36 still hates the Yankees' organization with the same vigor as during the Toronto Blue Jays portion of his career? Isaiah Kiner-Falefa, an admitted stop-gap? Oswald Peraza, who supposedly is MLB finished product defensively? Ender Inciarte? Letting Corey Kluber walk for less money to Tampa Bay? No fire. No desperation. No letting it all ride on red. Half-Ass Hal votes for a 180 million dollar cap. The vaunted Yankee money-making engine - once compared to US Steel - now requires clipped coupons rather than the perfect solutions now in Arlington and likely Chavez Ravine. But, hey, maybe Ben Rortvedt was missed by every other MLB franchise as the key cog in the new mid-market fiscal machine. Very well said. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Mar 15, 2022 18:00:01 GMT -5
I will say Cole was definitely that splash signing but it happened right before a 60 game season and then during a Covid effects season. I feel this season while Covid can still have effects there's def less what ifs to stop play so hopefully that helps but Rizutto is right the Yankees don't scare anyone anymore.
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 15, 2022 18:25:01 GMT -5
Well put Rizz. There is a lack of energy with Yankee management. Nice historical comparisons.
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Post by inger on Mar 15, 2022 18:28:58 GMT -5
Well put Rizz. There is a lack of energy with Yankee management. Nice historical comparisons. They’re too methodical. Spread sheets do that to people. Too much info will freeze a good mind… |
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Post by rizzuto on Mar 15, 2022 18:57:00 GMT -5
Well put Rizz. There is a lack of energy with Yankee management. Nice historical comparisons. They’re too methodical. Spread sheets do that to people. Too much info will freeze a good mind… It's not spreadsheets. Tampa Bay, Boston, Atlanta, and the Dodgers all have access to the same information, as does every other MLB franchise. Gabe Paul and Gene Michael were baseball men, lifers. George Steinbrenner had a never-ending thirst to win. That is what is missing - baseball minds and a singular purpose of will to effect action. Paul dealt All-Star third baseman Graig Nettles and catcher Gerry Moses to the New York Yankees for a group of journeyman players. Then, he acquired in succession: Chris Chambliss, Dick Tidrow and Oscar Gamble from his former team, the Indians; Lou Piniella from the Royals; Mickey Rivers and Ed Figueroa from the Angels; Willie Randolph, Ken Brett and Dock Ellis from the Pirates; and Bucky Dent from the White Sox. He also signed Catfish Hunter and Reggie Jackson as free agents. Stick Michael assured George that Derek Jeter at 21 was ready to man shortstop for the New York Yankees. Michael resisted trading Bernie Williams when he struggled early and was bullied by Mel Hall. Paul O'Neill from the Reds. Joe Girardi from the Cubs. Tino Martinez and Jeff Nelson from the Mariners. Jimmy Key signed as a free agent. Veterans like Wade Boggs, Cecil Fielder, Tim Raines, Darryl Strawberry, Mike Stanton, David Cone, David Wells, Charlie Hayes, Luis Sojo. Cashman had nothing to do with those moves, and Bob Watson was the GM in name only. It was Stick Michael who convinced George Steinbrenner those were winning pieces. Inger, you need to get over the whole, spreadsheets are the devil thing. They've been standard on personal computers since the 1980s. Let it go. |
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Post by rizzuto on Mar 15, 2022 19:32:12 GMT -5
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Post by anthonyd46 on Mar 15, 2022 19:35:51 GMT -5
2017 was the closest they got and that was the year they weren't even expected to be competitive. 5 years later now and they still haven't been the World Series. The Mets still have the most recent World Series appearance for the city. Pretty similar to the 60s I think. Yankees didn't go to the World Series between 1964-76 and and in that time the Mets went to it in 1969 and 1973.
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 15, 2022 19:37:02 GMT -5
Easy to root for this guy. I like how he cited Jeter. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Mar 15, 2022 19:39:14 GMT -5
I think this guy has a shot at being productive the Donaldson part of the trade for all that money is head scratching. I was surprised they gave up on Urshela when he pretty good for the Yankees the last couple years and good with the glove too. I guess the injuries did kind of pile up last year but it's not like Donaldson is mister healthy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by inger on Mar 15, 2022 20:16:07 GMT -5
They’re too methodical. Spread sheets do that to people. Too much info will freeze a good mind… It's not spreadsheets. Tampa Bay, Boston, Atlanta, and the Dodgers all have access to the same information, as does every other MLB franchise. Gabe Paul and Gene Michael were baseball men, lifers. George Steinbrenner had a never-ending thirst to win. That is what is missing - baseball minds and a singular purpose of will to effect action. Paul dealt All-Star third baseman Graig Nettles and catcher Gerry Moses to the New York Yankees for a group of journeyman players. Then, he acquired in succession: Chris Chambliss, Dick Tidrow and Oscar Gamble from his former team, the Indians; Lou Piniella from the Royals; Mickey Rivers and Ed Figueroa from the Angels; Willie Randolph, Ken Brett and Dock Ellis from the Pirates; and Bucky Dent from the White Sox. He also signed Catfish Hunter and Reggie Jackson as free agents. Stick Michael assured George that Derek Jeter at 21 was ready to man shortstop for the New York Yankees. Michael resisted trading Bernie Williams when he struggled early and was bullied by Mel Hall. Paul O'Neill from the Reds. Joe Girardi from the Cubs. Tino Martinez and Jeff Nelson from the Mariners. Jimmy Key signed as a free agent. Veterans like Wade Boggs, Cecil Fielder, Tim Raines, Darryl Strawberry, Mike Stanton, David Cone, David Wells, Charlie Hayes, Luis Sojo. Cashman had nothing to do with those moves, and Bob Watson was the GM in name only. It was Stick Michael who convinced George Steinbrenner those were winning pieces. Inger, you need to get over the whole, spreadsheets are the devil thing. They've been standard on personal computers since the 1980s. Let it go. Spread sheets are the devil is used to excess. There. That’s what I meant… |
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Post by desousa on Mar 16, 2022 6:14:54 GMT -5
A couple seasons ago, he was the catcher on my fantasy team. Needless to say, my team stunk. |
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