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Post by noetsi on Mar 10, 2022 22:22:51 GMT -5
It looks like the players got much of what they wanted. I would like to know why the Yankees, Mets, Astros and Cardinals voted to reject the agreement, unless their players just feel more loyalty to the Executive Board. That strikes me as a very rare split between the Board and the players. I hate the playoff expansion. It's moving dangerously close to the other professional leagues in undermining the regular season. Twelve out of 30 for baseball, compared to 14 out of 32 for the NFL, 16 out of 30 for the NBA, and 16 out of 32 for the NHL. There is just that much less incentive to spend more to obtain star players. If a team can get in with 83 wins -- as the Reds would have last year under this formula (it would have been the Jays in the AL) -- why go all out? Just have enough talent to have the proverbial puncher's chance in the post-season. We already know now that the Yankees, barring a disaster, will make the post-season whether or not they sign any of the big-name free agents out there. Though the players got some concessions, I think the owners won again. The increases to minimum salary and the luxury cap don't keep up with revenue. Nothing structurally changed in the system where players don't get market value until after year six. Also, there's nothing to curb tanking or service time manipulation. Oh well, I won't be crying for the players. At least baseball is back. I agree although I don't think the players can win. |
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Post by chiyankee on Mar 10, 2022 23:03:08 GMT -5
It looks like the players got much of what they wanted. I would like to know why the Yankees, Mets, Astros and Cardinals voted to reject the agreement, unless their players just feel more loyalty to the Executive Board. That strikes me as a very rare split between the Board and the players. I hate the playoff expansion. It's moving dangerously close to the other professional leagues in undermining the regular season. Twelve out of 30 for baseball, compared to 14 out of 32 for the NFL, 16 out of 30 for the NBA, and 16 out of 32 for the NHL. There is just that much less incentive to spend more to obtain star players. If a team can get in with 83 wins -- as the Reds would have last year under this formula (it would have been the Jays in the AL) -- why go all out? Just have enough talent to have the proverbial puncher's chance in the post-season. We already know now that the Yankees, barring a disaster, will make the post-season whether or not they sign any of the big-name free agents out there. I think the play offs will generate more fan interest and baseball desperately needs this. Teams that invest a lot are going to be teams who's owner wants to win a WS. That has always been true. It think the opposite will happen. With so many teams making the playoffs, it will be like the NBA, where the regular season is meaningless because anytime that doesn't suck will make it to the post season, so a lot of fans won't even tune in until the playoffs. Does baseball really want that? |
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Post by noetsi on Mar 10, 2022 23:22:25 GMT -5
I think teams that have no chance of making the play offs are not going to have great fans. I think that is what makes the NFL popular many teams can win.
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Post by inger on Mar 10, 2022 23:53:20 GMT -5
I think the play offs will generate more fan interest and baseball desperately needs this. Teams that invest a lot are going to be teams who's owner wants to win a WS. That has always been true. It think the opposite will happen. With so many teams making the playoffs, it will be like the NBA, where the regular season is meaningless because anytime that doesn't suck will make it to the post season, so a lot of fans won't even tune in until the playoffs. Does baseball really want that? The one thing I don’t THINK will happen in baseball is that the league leaders won’t tend to play .850 ball all season in baseball…Talk about a league with tanking teams… |
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Post by chiyankee on Mar 11, 2022 7:59:19 GMT -5
Good morning everyone!!!
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Post by inger on Mar 11, 2022 9:18:39 GMT -5
It’ll be interesting to see the price tags on the free agents… |
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Post by noetsi on Mar 11, 2022 10:05:33 GMT -5
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Post by acuraman on Mar 11, 2022 10:28:03 GMT -5
geeesh about time
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Post by inger on Mar 11, 2022 10:28:07 GMT -5
Advertisement on Jersey’s what? And what about the other states? … |
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 11, 2022 11:24:02 GMT -5
It looks like the players got much of what they wanted. I would like to know why the Yankees, Mets, Astros and Cardinals voted to reject the agreement, unless their players just feel more loyalty to the Executive Board. That strikes me as a very rare split between the Board and the players. I hate the playoff expansion. It's moving dangerously close to the other professional leagues in undermining the regular season. Twelve out of 30 for baseball, compared to 14 out of 32 for the NFL, 16 out of 30 for the NBA, and 16 out of 32 for the NHL. There is just that much less incentive to spend more to obtain star players. If a team can get in with 83 wins -- as the Reds would have last year under this formula (it would have been the Jays in the AL) -- why go all out? Just have enough talent to have the proverbial puncher's chance in the post-season. We already know now that the Yankees, barring a disaster, will make the post-season whether or not they sign any of the big-name free agents out there. Though the players got some concessions, I think the owners won again. The increases to minimum salary and the luxury cap don't keep up with revenue. Nothing structurally changed in the system where players don't get market value until after year six. Also, there's nothing to curb tanking or service time manipulation. Oh well, I won't be crying for the players. At least baseball is back. I guess we see it differently Kaybli. I agree neither side needs our sympathy. But the increase in the minimum salary from $570,000 to $700,000 is a pretty serious increase-- as far as I know just about what the players were asking for. The increase in the CBT from 210 to 230 is the largest percentage increase of any CBA ever according to MLB Network. Plus my understanding is that rookies who get ROY votes get credit for a full year of service time even if they are called up later in the season, so that addresses the service manipulation issue at least for the top rookies. Also the pre-arbitration pool money and limiting options to five a year are wins for the players. The owners won on idiot issues like expanded playoffs (that could turn out to be rather pyrrhic victory, to pull out an old SAT word) and slapping ads on uniforms. Sure, the owners didn't exactly get their butts kicked and they removed any lingering doubts about whether or not they are a-holes, but I think the players did fine. |
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Post by kaybli on Mar 11, 2022 11:35:17 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Mar 11, 2022 11:41:19 GMT -5
Though the players got some concessions, I think the owners won again. The increases to minimum salary and the luxury cap don't keep up with revenue. Nothing structurally changed in the system where players don't get market value until after year six. Also, there's nothing to curb tanking or service time manipulation. Oh well, I won't be crying for the players. At least baseball is back. I guess we see it differently Kaybli. I agree neither side needs our sympathy. But the increase in the minimum salary from $570,000 to $700,000 is a pretty serious increase-- as far as I know just about what the players were asking for. The increase in the CBT from 210 to 230 is the largest percentage increase of any CBA ever according to MLB Network. Plus my understanding is that rookies who get ROY votes get credit for a full year of service time even if they are called up later in the season, so that addresses the service manipulation issue at least for the top rookies. Also the pre-arbitration pool money and limiting options to five a year are wins for the players. The owners won on idiot issues like expanded playoffs (that could turn out to be rather pyrrhic victory, to pull out an old SAT word) and slapping ads on uniforms. Sure, the owners didn't exactly get their butts kicked and they removed any lingering doubts about whether or not they are a-holes, but I think the players did fine. Basing service time bonuses on ROY votes is likely to jaundice the voting at the lower levels, as votes will be cast as favors… |
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Post by noetsi on Mar 11, 2022 13:30:02 GMT -5
Advertisement on Jersey’s what? And what about the other states? … No I meant Jersey in England not New Jersey. I thought that would be obvious... |
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Post by inger on Mar 11, 2022 13:32:12 GMT -5
Advertisement on Jersey’s what? And what about the other states? … No I meant Jersey in England not New Jersey. I thought that would be obvious... 😚… Ah, Magoo. You’ve done it again… |
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Post by noetsi on Mar 11, 2022 13:32:40 GMT -5
I think the biggest player loss was their failure to get a guaranteed percent of income as the NBA has. They left the old system in place, which is increasingly useless for players as fewer teams invest in them.
Not having rules to force the Pittsburgh and Marlins to actually try to compete was a loss for everyone.
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