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Post by utahyank on Sept 11, 2018 18:16:36 GMT -5
not Yankee news, but the NCAA has changed the rule on a hit batter such that if the HP umpire deems that the hitter did not try to get out of the way of a pitch and is hit, it is a called strike....even strike three....I saw some comments from college head coaches that think there may be attempts in clutch situations to pitch inside more with the hope of getting outs, or possibly a called strike by that method....that there is greater incentive now to pitch inside...this rule seems ill-thought to me...
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Post by inger on Sept 11, 2018 19:33:28 GMT -5
I guess I was very guilty back in my day of hanging out over the plate, looking for something I could pull. I think that’s really what this is about. When the hitter crowds the plate, he is genuinely exposing part of his body to balls that are strikes. The intent here should be to push the batters back into the batter’s box.
If the batter’s box line nearest to the plate we’re adjusted by a couple of inches (and enforced, no cutesy erasing the line with your foot), that may prove to be a better solution.
Nothing wrong with pitching inside. There is something wrong with intentionally “stealing” the inside of the plate to reach the outside pitches...
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Post by utahyank on Sept 11, 2018 20:05:54 GMT -5
I guess I was very guilty back in my day of hanging out over the plate, looking for something I could pull. I think that’s really what this is about. When the hitter crowds the plate, he is genuinely exposing part of his body to balls that are strikes. The intent here should be to push the batters back into the batter’s box. If the batter’s box line nearest to the plate we’re adjusted by a couple of inches (and enforced, no cutesy erasing the line with your foot), that may prove to be a better solution. Nothing wrong with pitching inside. There is something wrong with intentionally “stealing” the inside of the plate to reach the outside pitches... the new rule seems at odds with reducing sports induced injuries....there is more incentive to pitch inside, which is fine as a strategy...letting a HP umpire add another judgement call to his already burdensome responsibility is asking too much...I didn't face many, if any, pitchers who threw 95....still I got hit more than once because I froze with a pitch right at me...it probably would be called that I stayed there intentionally, but I was expecting a pitch over the plate...not willing to take a strike, and when the pitch was directly at me I froze... The better solution would be for the third or first base umpire to make that call if they see the batter does not try to get out of the way...the HP umpire should be looking at the ball to call it properly... I don't think that rule will last more than a season or two...and I hope it doesn't make it's way into MLB... |
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Post by inger on Sept 11, 2018 20:55:02 GMT -5
I guess I was very guilty back in my day of hanging out over the plate, looking for something I could pull. I think that’s really what this is about. When the hitter crowds the plate, he is genuinely exposing part of his body to balls that are strikes. The intent here should be to push the batters back into the batter’s box. If the batter’s box line nearest to the plate we’re adjusted by a couple of inches (and enforced, no cutesy erasing the line with your foot), that may prove to be a better solution. Nothing wrong with pitching inside. There is something wrong with intentionally “stealing” the inside of the plate to reach the outside pitches... the new rule seems at odds with reducing sports induced injuries....there is more incentive to pitch inside, which is fine as a strategy...letting a HP umpire add another judgement call to his already burdensome responsibility is asking too much...I didn't face many, if any, pitchers who threw 95....still I got hit more than once because I froze with a pitch right at me...it probably would be called that I stayed there intentionally, but I was expecting a pitch over the plate...not willing to take a strike, and when the pitch was directly at me I froze... The better solution would be for the third or first base umpire to make that call if they see the batter does not try to get out of the way...the HP umpire should be looking at the ball to call it properly... I don't think that rule will last more than a season or two...and I hope it doesn't make it's way into MLB... I guess only time will tell...So hard to read intent, and I think a good deke can still appear to attempt to get out of the way... |
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Post by utahyank on Sept 11, 2018 21:01:53 GMT -5
the new rule seems at odds with reducing sports induced injuries....there is more incentive to pitch inside, which is fine as a strategy...letting a HP umpire add another judgement call to his already burdensome responsibility is asking too much...I didn't face many, if any, pitchers who threw 95....still I got hit more than once because I froze with a pitch right at me...it probably would be called that I stayed there intentionally, but I was expecting a pitch over the plate...not willing to take a strike, and when the pitch was directly at me I froze... The better solution would be for the third or first base umpire to make that call if they see the batter does not try to get out of the way...the HP umpire should be looking at the ball to call it properly... I don't think that rule will last more than a season or two...and I hope it doesn't make it's way into MLB... did you see the hbp that Voit just took?....there was no way for him to get out of the way....he flinched, but made no attempt to get out of the way....by the letter of the rule it would have been a strike...if it were called by "intent" probably a hit batter....but, "intent" is so subjective... I guess only time will tell...So hard to read intent, and I think a good deke can still appear to attempt to get out of the way... |
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Post by inger on Sept 11, 2018 21:09:19 GMT -5
My brother called me on the phone so I had left the room to talk to him for a. It so, no. I didn’t see it...
I’m guessing here, but my assumption is that hitters may adapt so they aren’t in a position to be hit by a strike. I’m also assuming that the play will be called within the judgement of the umpire. If so, you’ll have umps that will be quicker to to make the call than others. I mean, a strike is a strike, but we know the strike zone varies from ump to ump, right???
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 13, 2018 19:50:57 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Sept 13, 2018 19:52:48 GMT -5
I hope now that the luxury tax rate is reset they will blow by the cap next year. |
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 13, 2018 20:15:36 GMT -5
I hope now that the luxury tax rate is reset they will blow by the cap next year. I was against signing a big time free agent, but the more we see this team struggle to hit, I can see them going after Machado or Harper. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 13, 2018 20:29:27 GMT -5
I hope now that the luxury tax rate is reset they will blow by the cap next year. I was against signing a big time free agent, but the more we see this team struggle to hit, I can see them going after Machado or Harper. I agree, Chi. In fact I think that was the original reason they were so adamant about staying under the limit. The way Andujar has turned out, though, along with the way Bird has crashed, makes me think that rather than Machado they will go for Harper. I have to think his statement that he was willing to try first base for the right team was almost directed at the Yankees. That lefty bat between Judge and Stanton would not be too shabby. But by all means, blow by the cap. They are way behind Boston in the payroll race. Has anyone noticed that in the five years since the Yanks have not had the majors' highest payroll, it rarely gets mentioned which team does have the highest? It's only news when it's the Yankees. Dodgers had it four straight years and it was not terribly newsworthy, at least according to ESPN. |
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Post by uehara1 on Sept 13, 2018 20:35:12 GMT -5
I was against signing a big time free agent, but the more we see this team struggle to hit, I can see them going after Machado or Harper. I agree, Chi. In fact I think that was the original reason they were so adamant about staying under the limit. The way Andujar has turned out, though, along with the way Bird has crashed, makes me think that rather than Machado they will go for Harper. I have to think his statement that he was willing to try first base for the right team was almost directed at the Yankees. That lefty bat between Judge and Stanton would not be too shabby. But by all means, blow by the cap. They are way behind Boston in the payroll race. Has anyone noticed that in the five years since the Yanks have not had the majors' highest payroll, it rarely gets mentioned which team does have the highest? It's only news when it's the Yankees. Dodgers had it four straight years and it was not terribly newsworthy, at least according to ESPN. Actually, I could see the Yanks signing Machado and letting Harper go somewhere else. Then, move Andujar to LF. The bat will play there and his defense will hurt them less in the OF. I can't see Andujar ever becoming a gold glover anywhere, but with that arm, he could at least be useful out there. That would allow them to make Frazier available for some pitching or a 1B. I can't see Andujar at 1B since his only real defensive plus is the arm. |
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Post by kaybli on Sept 13, 2018 20:35:32 GMT -5
I was against signing a big time free agent, but the more we see this team struggle to hit, I can see them going after Machado or Harper. I agree, Chi. In fact I think that was the original reason they were so adamant about staying under the limit. The way Andujar has turned out, though, along with the way Bird has crashed, makes me think that rather than Machado they will go for Harper. I have to think his statement that he was willing to try first base for the right team was almost directed at the Yankees. That lefty bat between Judge and Stanton would not be too shabby. But by all means, blow by the cap. They are way behind Boston in the payroll race. Has anyone noticed that in the five years since the Yanks have not had the majors' highest payroll, it rarely gets mentioned which team does have the highest? It's only news when it's the Yankees. Dodgers had it four straight years and it was not terribly newsworthy, at least according to ESPN. Absolutely pipps. Its the Anti-Yankee bias. |
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Post by kaybli on Sept 13, 2018 20:50:51 GMT -5
I agree, Chi. In fact I think that was the original reason they were so adamant about staying under the limit. The way Andujar has turned out, though, along with the way Bird has crashed, makes me think that rather than Machado they will go for Harper. I have to think his statement that he was willing to try first base for the right team was almost directed at the Yankees. That lefty bat between Judge and Stanton would not be too shabby. But by all means, blow by the cap. They are way behind Boston in the payroll race. Has anyone noticed that in the five years since the Yanks have not had the majors' highest payroll, it rarely gets mentioned which team does have the highest? It's only news when it's the Yankees. Dodgers had it four straight years and it was not terribly newsworthy, at least according to ESPN. Actually, I could see the Yanks signing Machado and letting Harper go somewhere else. Then, move Andujar to LF. The bat will play there and his defense will hurt them less in the OF. I can't see Andujar ever becoming a gold glover anywhere, but with that arm, he could at least be useful out there. That would allow them to make Frazier available for some pitching or a 1B. I can't see Andujar at 1B since his only real defensive plus is the arm. Would Andujar even be an average OFer though in terms of range? He only has experience at third base through his minor and major league career. |
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 13, 2018 20:57:38 GMT -5
Also, LF at Yankee Stadium is very difficult to play and you really could use a second CF out there, like the Yankees have had in Gardner. Does Andujar have that kind of range? I don't know, but it would be worth checking out in spring training.
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Post by utahyank on Sept 13, 2018 21:28:56 GMT -5
Barring a trade, a position must be found for Andujar because his bat plays so well...Machado and Harper are going to sign before ST, so it's too late to find out if Andujar can play a corner OF position in ST, isn't it?...couldn't the Yankees figure that out in a 6 week trial....can a team send any player they want to the Arizona Fall League?...……..if I had to put money on it, I think the Yankees might pass on Machado because they don't want to move Andujar….
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