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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 29, 2024 14:58:56 GMT -5
Just wondering how that applies to all the sanctimonious talk of how "team players" should do what's best for the team. Wow, sanctimonious is a bit strong but if that's your opinion of me I guess we'll just have to disagree. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 29, 2024 15:03:59 GMT -5
Just wondering how that applies to all the sanctimonious talk of how "team players" should do what's best for the team. Wow, sanctimonious is a bit strong but if that's your opinion of me I guess we'll just have to disagree. Wasn't directed at you...you already changed your opinion. No? "OK, that clears things up for me and changes my opinion." But since you brought it up...would you consider Jeter a "team player" after refusing to move over for a better SS? |
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Post by ypaterson on Jul 29, 2024 16:01:43 GMT -5
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Post by qimqam on Jul 29, 2024 16:18:00 GMT -5
Just wondering how that applies to all the sanctimonious talk of how "team players" should do what's best for the team. It doesnt apply They were both very good SS's and Arod was signed to play 3rd base ?? Who do you think would be better at 3rd Arod or Jeter? |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 29, 2024 16:25:30 GMT -5
Wow, sanctimonious is a bit strong but if that's your opinion of me I guess we'll just have to disagree. Wasn't directed at you...you already changed your opinion. No? "OK, that clears things up for me and changes my opinion." But since you brought it up...would you consider Jeter a "team player" after refusing to move over for a better SS? I still have an appreciation for "team players" so I don't think that changes anything. I appreciate what Torres said in the full quote, BTW, Jeter was never asked to change positions and according to this article so not sure how he could "refuse", he at one point approached Stick with the idea of moving to 1B or DH if it would extend his career. africa.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/10483413/new-york-yankees-derek-jeter-never-intended-stop-being-shortstop |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 29, 2024 16:25:31 GMT -5
Seems obvious there are different standards for different players...those who are "liked" and those who aren't. Gleyber has been falsely accused of not being a "team player" for refusing to change positions more than half-way thru the season to play a position he's never played. He didn't refuse...in fact he's indicated he'd be willing to give it a shot if called on, even though it's not at all clear that would make the team better. Just another opportunity to pile on. How long will it be until Chisholm faces the same treatment? |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 29, 2024 16:35:15 GMT -5
Wasn't directed at you...you already changed your opinion. No? "OK, that clears things up for me and changes my opinion." But since you brought it up...would you consider Jeter a "team player" after refusing to move over for a better SS? I still have an appreciation for "team players" so I don't think that changes anything. I appreciate what Torres said in the full quote, BTW, Jeter was never asked to change positions and according to this article so not sure how he could "refuse", he at one point approached Stick with the idea of moving to 1B or DH if it would extend his career. africa.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/10483413/new-york-yankees-derek-jeter-never-intended-stop-being-shortstopJeter made it very clear he would not move to allow ARod to take over at SS. Making a move to extend his career, as many SS have done, is not the same as moving at the peak of his career. There's nothing to suggest that moving Gleyber to 3B at this point would make the team "better", although as a "team player" he's indicated he's willing to do so if asked. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 29, 2024 16:44:49 GMT -5
Jeter made it very clear he would not move to allow ARod to take over at SS. Making a move to extend his career, as many SS have done, is not the same as moving at the peak of his career. There's nothing to suggest that moving Gleyber to 3B at this point would make the team "better", although as a "team player" he's indicated he's willing to do so if asked. You said he refused, he says he was never asked. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 29, 2024 16:53:06 GMT -5
Jeter made it very clear he would not move to allow ARod to take over at SS. Making a move to extend his career, as many SS have done, is not the same as moving at the peak of his career. There's nothing to suggest that moving Gleyber to 3B at this point would make the team "better", although as a "team player" he's indicated he's willing to do so if asked. You said he refused, he says he was never asked. Safe to say he made his feelings known when the subject of acquiring ARod was broached. Or do you believe Yanks made the move to acquire ARod without Jeter's input? So hypothetically...what do you think his answer would've been had he been asked? |
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Post by fwclipper51 on Jul 29, 2024 17:10:24 GMT -5
Yankees Manager Casey Stengel wanted to extend Joe's MLB playing career by moving him to 1B. Instead of asking him to his face, Co-Team Owner Dan Topping would ask Joe to try playing 1B for 1 game. Joe would never forgive Manager Casey Stengel for not asking him to his face. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 29, 2024 17:56:28 GMT -5
Wow, sanctimonious is a bit strong but if that's your opinion of me I guess we'll just have to disagree. Wasn't directed at you...you already changed your opinion. No? "OK, that clears things up for me and changes my opinion." But since you brought it up...would you consider Jeter a "team player" after refusing to move over for a better SS? I highly doubt anyone ever asked Jeter to consider moving from shortstop. |
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Post by qimqam on Jul 29, 2024 18:01:36 GMT -5
Jeter made it very clear he would not move to allow ARod to take over at SS. Making a move to extend his career, as many SS have done, is not the same as moving at the peak of his career. There's nothing to suggest that moving Gleyber to 3B at this point would make the team "better", although as a "team player" he's indicated he's willing to do so if asked. First off they didnt ask Jeter to move ... 2nd this was Jeters team, Face of the Yankees, Face of the MLB, perenial all star, perenial MVP canidate, multiple WS rings, middle of a contract, Captain of one of the greatest dynasties in sports history ... do you need more? On top of that he went on to win 3 consecutive GGs, 5 in 7 years, and was a 1st ballot HOF Gleyber has been a huge disappointment and so far has let the team down when they needed him most. He's unfortunately played himself off of the Yankees and out of a big contract. He's not in the plans for the future and Chisholm now is? It's unfortunate and disappointing but they have to do whats best for the team ... not Gleyber |
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Post by ypaterson on Jul 29, 2024 20:26:14 GMT -5
Wasn't directed at you...you already changed your opinion. No? "OK, that clears things up for me and changes my opinion." But since you brought it up...would you consider Jeter a "team player" after refusing to move over for a better SS? I highly doubt anyone ever asked Jeter to consider moving from shortstop. Cashman certainly did, maybe several times. www.si.com/more-sports/2011/05/19/thecaptain-excerpt |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 29, 2024 20:45:48 GMT -5
I highly doubt anyone ever asked Jeter to consider moving from shortstop. And I have absolutely no doubt Yanks conferred with Jeter and got his approval before pulling the trigger and acquiring ARod. If they didn’t ask him directly it’s because they knew what the answer would be, even though there’s no question ARod was the better SS. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 29, 2024 20:51:49 GMT -5
I do not mean to be disrespectful, but please tell me where in the article it says that Cashman ever spoke with Jeter about moving from shortstop, even once? This was a conversation about Jeter improving his lateral movement (at shortstop), which is old news from the O'Connor book, and Jeter worked all off-season to do so: "You mean to tell me we were trying to win a championship every year," Jeter told Cashman, "and there was a way for me to get better to help us do that, and nobody told me?
"I'm only going to play for so many years, and if you're telling me there are things I can do to make us better and put us in a better position to win, why wouldn't someone tell me this? . . . I want to do everything I can to get better. It makes me wonder how good we could've been and how many more championships we might've won if I'd dealt with this."
It was the perfect response. It was the winning response.
It was Jeter revealing the essence of his greatness." |
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