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Post by noetsi on Apr 25, 2022 7:58:56 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Apr 25, 2022 12:20:58 GMT -5
I expect that there was a lot of discussion about cheating at the time. I further suppose that it involved all thirty teams. With cheating becoming more obvious (I mean, WE all saw Altuve with his arms covering his chest, right?) it had to be a discussion around the league.
I’m sure such discussion occurred when certain teams seemed to have multiple players playing well above their former level during the PEDS age, too.
There would come a time that a frustrated organization, perhaps having reported their suspicions to their league office and not seeing it corrected or punished might decide to discuss how to counteract such cheating themselves.
That’s the “thing” about this that seems a bit weird. Words are only words…
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Post by noetsi on Apr 25, 2022 18:42:17 GMT -5
I thought it was more than speculation from the article, that the commissioner essentially found abuses. I don't think the Yankees would have gone to extreme length they did to block release of the documents if there was just speculation
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Post by inger on Apr 25, 2022 20:58:56 GMT -5
I thought it was more than speculation from the article, that the commissioner essentially found abuses. I don't think the Yankees would have gone to extreme length they did to block release of the documents if there was just speculation I don’t have many doubts that most, maybe all teams were cheating electronically to a degree. Remember also that in the beginning of electronic cheating, there were no rules against it, because until it was done no one had the idea that it would be, nor would become pervasive. I recall reading articles back in the seventies about home teams that would compromise the visiting team’s dugout phones. That eventually got banned. Speed teams used to slope their their base lines to keep balls fair and slow teams would slope them to take balls into foul ground. As cheating advances, new rules are enacted… |
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Post by noetsi on Apr 26, 2022 7:50:54 GMT -5
I am sure that is true although there are degrees of cheating. And this is especially a big point because Cashman used the Houston cheating as an excuse for not winning, claiming recently the Yankees did the right thing and lost by among other things not cheating. Now it turns out they did cheat as well. They were just less effective at it.
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Post by inger on Apr 26, 2022 8:00:00 GMT -5
I am sure that is true although there are degrees of cheating. And this is especially a big point because Cashman used the Houston cheating as an excuse for not winning, claiming recently the Yankees did the right thing and lost by among other things not cheating. Now it turns out they did cheat as well. They were just less effective at it. Now you’re going too far. You haven’t read that report. I haven’t read that report. It would behoove to maybe wait until we find out what’s in it, Russ… |
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Post by noetsi on Apr 26, 2022 12:16:43 GMT -5
Which I am sure they were using to order pizza. That is why they fought so hard to prevent the letter from being released. Because they did nothing wrong and were concerned the letter would show this.  |
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Post by inger on Apr 26, 2022 13:40:44 GMT -5
Which I am sure they were using to order pizza. That is why they fought so hard to prevent the letter from being released. Because they did nothing wrong and were concerned the letter would show this. It’s not easy to get pineapple and anchovies on the same pizza with a public phone call. It’s a bit embarrassing, in fact… |
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Post by noetsi on Apr 26, 2022 15:07:01 GMT -5
Which I am sure they were using to order pizza. That is why they fought so hard to prevent the letter from being released. Because they did nothing wrong and were concerned the letter would show this.  It’s not easy to get pineapple and anchovies on the same pizza with a public phone call. It’s a bit embarrassing, in fact… Probably caused the runs as well... |
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Post by inger on Apr 26, 2022 16:07:57 GMT -5
It’s not easy to get pineapple and anchovies on the same pizza with a public phone call. It’s a bit embarrassing, in fact… Probably caused the runs as well... The Yankees should eat it, then… Anything for runs… |
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Post by Renfield on Apr 26, 2022 16:57:53 GMT -5
Probably caused the runs as well... The Yankees should eat it, then… Anything for runs… Oh my. Funny. But oh my. |
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Post by kaybli on Apr 26, 2022 16:58:10 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Apr 26, 2022 17:02:50 GMT -5
SNY Exclusive: The 'Yankee Letter' revealed
-The letter does not implicate the Yankees in a sign-stealing scheme similar to the one for which the Houston Astros were punished, when batters received the signs in real time without the help of a runner on second base.
-It does reveal -- as SNY has previously reported it would -- that the Yanks used the video replay room in 2015 and 2016 to decode sign sequences and pass them to a runner on second base, who would then relay them to the batter.
-The Yankees received a fine of $100,000 for improper use of the dugout phone, a previously unreported amount.
-The letter clears the Yankees of using YES Network cameras to steal signs, which the Red Sox alleged.
-The letter does not accuse the Yankees of sign-stealing after the crucial date of Sept. 15, 2017, when Manfred announced that from that day forward electronic sign stealing would be subject to more severe punishments. In fact, the letter does not accuse the team of stealing signs at any point during the 2017 season.
Anyone hoping that it would implicate the Yankees or Red Sox in a scandal of Astros-level proportion will be disappointed by its contents. Houston remains the only team proven to have stolen signs electronically in real time and passed them directly to the batter -- most commonly by the banging of a trash can behind the dugout. The Astros’ sign stealing by various methods extended through the 2019 season.
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Post by inger on Apr 26, 2022 17:24:46 GMT -5
SNY Exclusive: The 'Yankee Letter' revealed
-The letter does not implicate the Yankees in a sign-stealing scheme similar to the one for which the Houston Astros were punished, when batters received the signs in real time without the help of a runner on second base.
-It does reveal -- as SNY has previously reported it would -- that the Yanks used the video replay room in 2015 and 2016 to decode sign sequences and pass them to a runner on second base, who would then relay them to the batter.
-The Yankees received a fine of $100,000 for improper use of the dugout phone, a previously unreported amount.
-The letter clears the Yankees of using YES Network cameras to steal signs, which the Red Sox alleged.
-The letter does not accuse the Yankees of sign-stealing after the crucial date of Sept. 15, 2017, when Manfred announced that from that day forward electronic sign stealing would be subject to more severe punishments. In fact, the letter does not accuse the team of stealing signs at any point during the 2017 season.
Anyone hoping that it would implicate the Yankees or Red Sox in a scandal of Astros-level proportion will be disappointed by its contents. Houston remains the only team proven to have stolen signs electronically in real time and passed them directly to the batter -- most commonly by the banging of a trash can behind the dugout. The Astros’ sign stealing by various methods extended through the 2019 season.
Ha-Ha… |
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Post by inger on Apr 26, 2022 17:39:22 GMT -5
SNY Exclusive: The 'Yankee Letter' revealed
-The letter does not implicate the Yankees in a sign-stealing scheme similar to the one for which the Houston Astros were punished, when batters received the signs in real time without the help of a runner on second base.
-It does reveal -- as SNY has previously reported it would -- that the Yanks used the video replay room in 2015 and 2016 to decode sign sequences and pass them to a runner on second base, who would then relay them to the batter.
-The Yankees received a fine of $100,000 for improper use of the dugout phone, a previously unreported amount.
-The letter clears the Yankees of using YES Network cameras to steal signs, which the Red Sox alleged.
-The letter does not accuse the Yankees of sign-stealing after the crucial date of Sept. 15, 2017, when Manfred announced that from that day forward electronic sign stealing would be subject to more severe punishments. In fact, the letter does not accuse the team of stealing signs at any point during the 2017 season.
Anyone hoping that it would implicate the Yankees or Red Sox in a scandal of Astros-level proportion will be disappointed by its contents. Houston remains the only team proven to have stolen signs electronically in real time and passed them directly to the batter -- most commonly by the banging of a trash can behind the dugout. The Astros’ sign stealing by various methods extended through the 2019 season.
Dome and Russ both losing their boners… 🤓 |
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