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Post by rizzuto on Oct 24, 2022 16:50:37 GMT -5
I kind of give Mattingly a break on his first foray as manager in LA. Remember, Joe Torre was signed to a NY headline of "Clueless Joe," representative of his previous managerial stints. Also, if anyone could bring back the "Yankee way," it would have to be Donnie Baseball. But, you are likely correct, the front office wants an analytical puppet. As long as Cashman is in charge, this is the probably the type of season we can expect, as that appears to be a success under this management. Fair enough Rizz. Just for what he has meant to the Yankees I would be hard-pressed to complain about Mattingly being at the helm, although my expectations would be tempered. I do not know how Cashman keeps his job. Since the Yankees last got to the World Series, fifteen other teams have been there. Many of them multiple times. Yes, the Yankees are at the very top of the lowest 50 percentile -- woo hoo -- but all of what I would consider to be the marquee historical franchises with national followings -- Dodgers, Red Sox, Cardinals, Cubs, possibly Giants and Mets and I guess by now the Braves and Astros -- have been at least once. You can throw in the Tigers and Royals and Phillies and former Indians for good measure, plus the Rays, Rangers and Nationals -- all have been to the Series since the Yankees were last there. Wholeheartedly agree about Cashman, who had nothing to do with Jimmy Key, Paul O'Neill, David Cone, Mariano Rivera, Tino Martinez, Jorge Posada, Derek Jeter, Andy Pettitte, etc. His name may have been General Manager in 1998, but he had nothing to do with building the core of those championship teams. What many people forget is that even in 2009, the leader in WAR for that championship team was Derek Jeter. Jorge Posada was that starting catcher with a 125 OPS+. Mariano Rivera had a ERA + of 262! Andy Pettitte pitched nearly 200 innings (197.67). Those guys already had four championship rings each. Should we give Cashman credit for 2009 free agent acquisitions of CC Sabathia, Mark Teixiera? How about signing ARod and Hideki Matusi? Sure, but how difficult were those decisions? What twelve year old baseball fan wouldn't have made those moves with access to the Yankees' checkbook? We still owe Donaldson 29 million dollars between next year and a buyout the following year. Verlander will cost the Astros less next season. Could we have started Oswald Peraza at shortstop all season and still won the division? I think so. It's what Houston did with ALCS MVP and rookie Jeremy Pena. With the series on the line, Boone went with Lou Trivino over a rested Jonathan Loaisiga. Was that Cashman's analytic department or Aaron Boone's decision? Frankie Montas with the troubling splits away from Oakland? Pure Cashman. |
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 24, 2022 17:00:48 GMT -5
Agree with what Kay is saying here. Following game four, did anyone get the exit velocity of the Yankees leaving the dugout?
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Post by domeplease on Oct 24, 2022 17:44:56 GMT -5
Fair enough Rizz. Just for what he has meant to the Yankees I would be hard-pressed to complain about Mattingly being at the helm, although my expectations would be tempered. I do not know how Cashman keeps his job. Since the Yankees last got to the World Series, fifteen other teams have been there. Many of them multiple times. Yes, the Yankees are at the very top of the lowest 50 percentile -- woo hoo -- but all of what I would consider to be the marquee historical franchises with national followings -- Dodgers, Red Sox, Cardinals, Cubs, possibly Giants and Mets and I guess by now the Braves and Astros -- have been at least once. You can throw in the Tigers and Royals and Phillies and former Indians for good measure, plus the Rays, Rangers and Nationals -- all have been to the Series since the Yankees were last there. Wholeheartedly agree about Cashman, who had nothing to do with Jimmy Key, Paul O'Neill, David Cone, Mariano Rivera, Tino Martinez, Jorge Posada, Derek Jeter, Andy Pettitte, etc. His name may have been General Manager in 1998, but he had nothing to do with building the core of those championship teams. What many people forget is that even in 2009, the leader in WAR for that championship team was Derek Jeter. Jorge Posada was that starting catcher with a 125 OPS+. Mariano Rivera had a ERA + of 262! Andy Pettitte pitched nearly 200 innings (197.67). Those guys already had four championship rings each. Should we give Cashman credit for 2009 free agent acquisitions of CC Sabathia, Mark Teixiera? How about signing ARod and Hideki Matusi? Sure, but how difficult were those decisions? What twelve year old baseball fan wouldn't have made those moves with access to the Yankees' checkbook? We still owe Donaldson 29 million dollars between next year and a buyout the following year. Verlander will cost the Astros less next season. Could we have started Oswald Peraza at shortstop all season and still won the division? I think so. It's what Houston did with ALCS MVP and rookie Jeremy Pena. With the series on the line, Boone went with Lou Trivino over a rested Jonathan Loaisiga. Was that Cashman's analytic department or Aaron Boone's decision? Frankie Montas with the troubling splits away from Oakland? Pure Cashman. |
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Post by domeplease on Oct 24, 2022 17:46:14 GMT -5
Fair enough Rizz. Just for what he has meant to the Yankees I would be hard-pressed to complain about Mattingly being at the helm, although my expectations would be tempered. I do not know how Cashman keeps his job. Since the Yankees last got to the World Series, fifteen other teams have been there. Many of them multiple times. Yes, the Yankees are at the very top of the lowest 50 percentile -- woo hoo -- but all of what I would consider to be the marquee historical franchises with national followings -- Dodgers, Red Sox, Cardinals, Cubs, possibly Giants and Mets and I guess by now the Braves and Astros -- have been at least once. You can throw in the Tigers and Royals and Phillies and former Indians for good measure, plus the Rays, Rangers and Nationals -- all have been to the Series since the Yankees were last there. Wholeheartedly agree about Cashman, who had nothing to do with Jimmy Key, Paul O'Neill, David Cone, Mariano Rivera, Tino Martinez, Jorge Posada, Derek Jeter, Andy Pettitte, etc. His name may have been General Manager in 1998, but he had nothing to do with building the core of those championship teams. What many people forget is that even in 2009, the leader in WAR for that championship team was Derek Jeter. Jorge Posada was that starting catcher with a 125 OPS+. Mariano Rivera had a ERA + of 262! Andy Pettitte pitched nearly 200 innings (197.67). Those guys already had four championship rings each. Should we give Cashman credit for 2009 free agent acquisitions of CC Sabathia, Mark Teixiera? How about signing ARod and Hideki Matusi? Sure, but how difficult were those decisions? What twelve year old baseball fan wouldn't have made those moves with access to the Yankees' checkbook? We still owe Donaldson 29 million dollars between next year and a buyout the following year. Verlander will cost the Astros less next season. Could we have started Oswald Peraza at shortstop all season and still won the division? I think so. It's what Houston did with ALCS MVP and rookie Jeremy Pena. With the series on the line, Boone went with Lou Trivino over a rested Jonathan Loaisiga. Was that Cashman's analytic department or Aaron Boone's decision? Frankie Montas with the troubling splits away from Oakland? Pure Cashman. Perfectly stated = "We still owe Donaldson 29 million dollars between next year and a buyout the following year. Verlander will cost the Astros less next season. Could we have started Oswald Peraza at shortstop all season and still won the division? I think so. It's what Houston did with ALCS MVP and rookie Jeremy Pena. With the series on the line, Boone went with Lou Trivino over a rested Jonathan Loaisiga. Was that Cashman's analytic department or Aaron Boone's decision? Frankie Montas with the troubling splits away from Oakland? Pure Cashman. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 24, 2022 19:16:22 GMT -5
Agree with what Kay is saying here. Following game four, did anyone get the exit velocity of the Yankees leaving the dugout? Kay unleashed, and I like it. Looks like it's been getting to him with his remarks lately. I enjoy the honesty from a guy who after all is employed by the Yankees (I assume.) |
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 25, 2022 12:05:26 GMT -5
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 25, 2022 12:26:55 GMT -5
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Post by acuraman on Oct 25, 2022 18:26:35 GMT -5
I can't believe a lot of Yankee fans are calling for Jeter and Don M to replace Cash and Boone....utterly ridiculous
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Post by kaybli on Oct 26, 2022 0:43:43 GMT -5
Okay I'm back home. To deliver bad but expected news:
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 26, 2022 8:40:51 GMT -5
Okay I'm back home. To deliver bad but expected news:
Business as usual for the Yankees. They're like stale bread. |
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Post by inger on Oct 26, 2022 9:29:24 GMT -5
I can't believe a lot of Yankee fans are calling for Jeter and Don M to replace Cash and Boone....utterly ridiculous At this point they might be happy to have Mother Teresa and Frank Zappa… |
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Post by kaybli on Oct 26, 2022 15:10:38 GMT -5
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Post by maizeyanks on Oct 26, 2022 15:18:29 GMT -5
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Post by acuraman on Oct 26, 2022 15:26:51 GMT -5
"Yankees owner Hal Steinbrenner plans to keep Aaron Boone as his manager."
And, Yankees fans plan to see the same results every year Boone is his manager.
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Post by acuraman on Oct 26, 2022 15:29:54 GMT -5
Winning a WS is not a big deal to Hal. As long as the team contends every year and continues to put money in his pockets, he's happy. Boone is one of the worst strategic game-day managers in baseball, just like Hal is one of the worst owners in game.
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