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Post by acuraman on Nov 8, 2022 20:43:55 GMT -5
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Post by rizzuto on Nov 9, 2022 7:34:31 GMT -5
He’s reminding me more and more of Mr. Magoo.
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Post by kaybli on Nov 9, 2022 7:40:26 GMT -5
He’s reminding me more and more of Mr. Magoo.
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 9, 2022 9:20:13 GMT -5
He’s reminding me more and more of Mr. Magoo. lol, Cashman has the financial resources of Thurston Howell but the mentality of Magoo.
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Post by kaybli on Nov 9, 2022 14:44:34 GMT -5
Report: Yankees 'confident' in signing Judge as Giants pursue star
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 9, 2022 19:04:39 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Nov 9, 2022 20:30:12 GMT -5
What? You mean Ohtani didn’t win this because he hits AND pitches? What’s wrong with these writers? 🤓…
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Post by anthonyd46 on Nov 9, 2022 21:40:41 GMT -5
Sounds like he wants to stay. Really praises his teammates and stuff. Says he actually thought about accepting the deal last year.
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Post by acuraman on Nov 11, 2022 19:24:25 GMT -5
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Post by domeplease on Nov 14, 2022 15:23:21 GMT -5
Dodgers Emerge As One Of The Favorites To Acquire Aaron Judge According to LA Insider
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Post by domeplease on Nov 14, 2022 17:55:00 GMT -5
Dodgers Emerge As One Of The Favorites To Acquire Aaron Judge According to LA Insider
...FanGraphs’ Top 50 Free Agents has him settling somewhere around $300 million, while MLB Trade Rumors is more aggressive, predicting $332 million over eight years. I know there’s been this driving narrative that he’ll exceed $40 million AAV, but I’m actually on the low end there. I think $40 per is a number that executives are going to be shy on, just because it eats up so much of your CBT space.
I don’t think Judge gets 10 years on the market, but I think that teams will be willing to go to nine in order to push that AAV down, even if only a couple mil per, and retain a little bit of flexibility.
As we saw with Judge this year, even having an All-World player have an All-World season isn’t enough on it’s own, so avoiding that big $40 hit allows you to make an extra depth move or two.
I also don’t think there are that many bidders. The Yankees and the Giants have made their interest pretty known, I think the Cubs make some sense, and there’s always a mystery team that pops up when you’re not expecting it. At most you’re looking at four, maybe five teams that are going to be at the table.
The risks with bringing Judge back is age and peak. He’s probably never going to have an 11.4 win season again. His 2023 FanGraphs DC projection has him at 6.7 wins and a 157 wRC+, much closer to his career 163 — for context, that’s 10 points higher than Juan Soto’s career wRC+.
If that projection holds, he would go from the MVP favorite to merely an MVP finalist, oh the pain of it. Still, you’re not getting Barry Bonds, probably, merely one of the six or seven best players in baseball.
And then there’s age. He’ll be 31 shortly after Opening Day, you can all do the math on what an eight or nine year deal would take him to. There have been a few comparisons to Albert Pujols’ free agency, as a cautionary tale, who was a year older than Judge at the time he hit the market. I don’t think its quite so simple, though.
So first of all, Judge is one full year younger, and with contracts like these, every year counts since you know the back end is going to be bad. Second, what’s always stood out to me about Judge is how stable his performance is. Pujols is probably the best right handed hitter I’ve ever seen, at least at his peak, but he was on a three-year decline before hitting free agency.
Judge is coming off a career year, but he’s been remarkably stable in the runup to his career year. 2020 is a weird year for everyone, but in the three full seasons between his Rookie of the Year campaign and likely MVP season, his OPS has has just a five point spread, bottoming out at .916 and capping at .921. He has the highest floor of any player in baseball, and I think that’s more encouraging for teams worried about his 30s — you may not get the 1.111 OPS season again, but his stability is a good sign relative to someone like Pujols, who was already getting worse.
Last, there’s what Aaron Judge means to this franchise. He is the best pure baseball talent the team has produced since Mickey Mantle. In so many ways, he is the face of baseball, and the de facto captain of the Yankees. There is a certain brand value that the Yankees gain by having him on the roster that isn’t really accounted for in $/WAR. What’s the value, for the Dodgers, of keeping Clayton Kershaw in blue for his entire career, or how much would the Mariners have gained as a brand had they found a way to retain Ken Griffey Jr.?
What the Yankees do with Aaron Judge will define the offseason for all of MLB. The Yankees are not very good without him, barring any other major moves. There are no guarantees that if the Yankees let him walk, they’ll “spread the money around”, especially when the commitments to guys like Trea Turner or Carlos Rodon are going to be close, if not as high, as what Judge will get. If you pass on giving $38 million to Judge, and $30 goes to Turner, you don’t have that much left over to make a real impact move — and as much as I love Trea Turner, he’s projected to be two full wins worse than Judge next year.
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Post by acuraman on Nov 14, 2022 20:25:56 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Nov 14, 2022 20:50:06 GMT -5
Its pricey but whats the alternative? Signing Trea Turner would cost almost as much for an inferior player.
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Post by inger on Nov 14, 2022 21:27:53 GMT -5
Its pricey but whats the alternative? Signing Trea Turner would cost almost as much for an inferior player. You almost sound empathetic for the Yanks and Steinbrenners, Kaybli. Who really cares about the price? The Steinbrenner and Cashman cheapskate act is growing very tiresome to me. The pay these ball players get is out of this world because the money the team owners make is out of the solar system. They just need to pay the man. Then they also need to pony up and pay enough to make the rest of the roster a powerhouse team. It’s still good that they want to supplement from the farm (which will hold costs down a bit more), but they need another ace for the starting rotation, and upgrades at other positions…
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Post by kaybli on Nov 14, 2022 23:33:44 GMT -5
Its pricey but whats the alternative? Signing Trea Turner would cost almost as much for an inferior player. You almost sound empathetic for the Yanks and Steinbrenners, Kaybli. Who really cares about the price? The Steinbrenner and Cashman cheapskate act is growing very tiresome to me. The pay these ball players get is out of this world because the money the team owners make is out of the solar system. They just need to pay the man. Then they also need to pony up and pay enough to make the rest of the roster a powerhouse team. It’s still good that they want to supplement from the farm (which will hold costs down a bit more), but they need another ace for the starting rotation, and upgrades at other positions… Come on inger, I thought you knew me better than that. I couldn't care less about Hal's wallet. I only care about the price to the effect it has on signing other players for a competitive team.
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