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Post by azbob643 on Mar 18, 2024 15:18:41 GMT -5
Saw a documentary "Fastball" I believe on Netflix. Started with Walter "Big Train" Johnson thru Nolan Ryan who I believe was deemed to have the top recorded speed. Bruce Springsteen would have titled it “Speedball.”… So would John Belushi. Sorry...
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 18, 2024 15:21:04 GMT -5
Walter Johnson was as gentle of a soul who ever toed the rubber, and I always used to read how he was so afraid of hitting a batter because of how hard he threw. Of course on a per inning basis his number isn't so high -- he threw nearly 6,000 innings. Interesting that of the top three you listed, both Walter Johnson and Eddie Plank threw sidearm and Randy Johnson was also a bit low on delivery, somewhere between sidearm and three-quarters. So the pitch was probably harder to pick up. Saw a documentary "Fastball" I believe on Netflix. Started with Walter "Big Train" Johnson thru Nolan Ryan who I believe was deemed to have the top recorded speed. I saw some of that. One of the problems was the way the speed of the pitch was measured. I know in the case of Johnson, he was pitching in street clothes in February at a lab in CT where he didn't warm up and where a wire was set up fifteen feet behind where home plate was located. I know they extrapolated to try to make up for the difference, but it's hard to tell how that would work out under modern conditions. Feller was in there too. It just seems like if they measured the way they do today, all three of those guys were somewhere around 100 MPH.
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Post by inger on Mar 18, 2024 15:22:21 GMT -5
Bruce Springsteen would have titled it “Speedball.”… So would John Belushi. Sorry... m Haha. Kaybli! Get this man a monkey! kaybli
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Post by ypaterson on Mar 18, 2024 16:07:21 GMT -5
Saw a documentary "Fastball" I believe on Netflix. Started with Walter "Big Train" Johnson thru Nolan Ryan who I believe was deemed to have the top recorded speed. I saw some of that. One of the problems was the way the speed of the pitch was measured. I know in the case of Johnson, he was pitching in street clothes in February at a lab in CT where he didn't warm up and where a wire was set up fifteen feet behind where home plate was located. I know they extrapolated to try to make up for the difference, but it's hard to tell how that would work out under modern conditions. Feller was in there too. It just seems like if they measured the way they do today, all three of those guys were somewhere around 100 MPH. You've probably seen this already, but if you did not you might find it interesting: www.baseballamerica.com/stories/the-measure-of-a-fastball-has-changed-over-the-years/
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Mar 18, 2024 16:14:39 GMT -5
Saw a documentary "Fastball" I believe on Netflix. Started with Walter "Big Train" Johnson thru Nolan Ryan who I believe was deemed to have the top recorded speed. Bruce Springsteen would have titled it “Speedball.”… I always thought that reference by the Boss was interesting. Was he trying to come from the point of view of a HS stoner who didn't understand baseball lingo, or did he simply like the wat it sounded. Believe it or not, I have pondered this question from time to time.
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 18, 2024 16:16:10 GMT -5
I saw some of that. One of the problems was the way the speed of the pitch was measured. I know in the case of Johnson, he was pitching in street clothes in February at a lab in CT where he didn't warm up and where a wire was set up fifteen feet behind where home plate was located. I know they extrapolated to try to make up for the difference, but it's hard to tell how that would work out under modern conditions. Feller was in there too. It just seems like if they measured the way they do today, all three of those guys were somewhere around 100 MPH. You've probably seen this already, but if you did not you might find it interesting: www.baseballamerica.com/stories/the-measure-of-a-fastball-has-changed-over-the-years/Yeah...I've seen that info if not specifically that article. And as "Pipp" said, the earlier methods used to measure pitch speed are not really dependable. However, I have no doubt today's pitchers as a whole consistently throw much faster than pitchers from an earlier era.
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 18, 2024 16:17:31 GMT -5
Bruce Springsteen would have titled it “Speedball.”… I always thought that reference by the Boss was interesting. Was he trying to come from the point of view of a HS stoner who didn't understand baseball lingo, or did he simply like the wat it sounded. Believe it or not, I have pondered this question from time to time. I think it clearly shows he didn't play a lot, if any, baseball. I've never heard anyone use that word to describe a fastball.
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Post by inger on Mar 18, 2024 16:58:31 GMT -5
I always thought that reference by the Boss was interesting. Was he trying to come from the point of view of a HS stoner who didn't understand baseball lingo, or did he simply like the wat it sounded. Believe it or not, I have pondered this question from time to time. I think it clearly shows he didn't play a lot, if any, baseball. I've never heard anyone use that word to describe a fastball. I think Bruce knows at least enough about baseball that the word flip was intentional. I’ll go with this:: mikevotava.com/what-is-a-speedball/
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 18, 2024 17:10:39 GMT -5
I think it clearly shows he didn't play a lot, if any, baseball. I've never heard anyone use that word to describe a fastball. I think Bruce knows at least enough about baseball that the word flip was intentional. I’ll go with this:: mikevotava.com/what-is-a-speedball/So...I suppose a changeup is a "slowball" that, if thrown properly, looks like a "speedball". I'm not buying it.
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 18, 2024 17:29:57 GMT -5
Yeah...I've seen that info if not specifically that article. And as "Pipp" said, the earlier methods used to measure pitch speed are not really dependable. However, I have no doubt today's pitchers as a whole consistently throw much faster than pitchers from an earlier era. I definitely believe that there are more pitchers throwing at a high velocity now than at any previous time. I think even the shaky old eye test would confirm that. But I think a lot of it has to do with how pitchers are used, knowing that they won't be throwing many pitches so they know they can just air it out whenever they want to. Way back in the deadball era Christy Mathewson wrote a book called "Pitching In A Pinch" in which he discussed how he only threw his hardest in situations where he had no margin for error. He knew he was going to be on the mound for nine innings and paced himself accordingly. While throwing hard has always been considered an asset, I think it is stressed far more today, I am sure partly because everything is measured in such excruciating detail. I have wondered if the technology could be developed that would allow for accurately measuring velocity based on videotape or film. Now that would be fun.
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Post by bomberhojoe on Mar 18, 2024 17:38:36 GMT -5
I always thought that reference by the Boss was interesting. Was he trying to come from the point of view of a HS stoner who didn't understand baseball lingo, or did he simply like the wat it sounded. Believe it or not, I have pondered this question from time to time. I think it clearly shows he didn't play a lot, if any, baseball. I've never heard anyone use that word to describe a fastball. Springsteen was definitely not an athlete growing up. I saw him try and throw a ball once, can't remember where, and he looked like my grandmother trying to throw.
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 18, 2024 17:46:54 GMT -5
While throwing hard has always been considered an asset, I think it is stressed far more today, I am sure partly because everything is measured in such excruciating detail. I have wondered if the technology could be developed that would allow for accurately measuring velocity based on videotape or film. Now that would be fun. Yeah...I've talked about pitch speed being stressed today starting with youth leagues, of which I'm not a fan. 60% of all TJ surgeries are done on kids 15-19. An acquaintance of mine who pitched several years of ML ball started a pitching "school" for youth league pitchers...eventually shut it down when all parents wanted him to do was increase their kid's pitch speed.
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 18, 2024 17:47:59 GMT -5
I think it clearly shows he didn't play a lot, if any, baseball. I've never heard anyone use that word to describe a fastball. Springsteen was definitely not an athlete growing up. I saw him try and throw a ball once, can't remember where, and he looked like my grandmother trying to throw. I buy that 100%...not at all surprised. Whenever I hear that song it makes me cringe...
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Post by inger on Mar 18, 2024 19:11:17 GMT -5
Springsteen was definitely not an athlete growing up. I saw him try and throw a ball once, can't remember where, and he looked like my grandmother trying to throw. I buy that 100%...not at all surprised. Whenever I hear that song it makes me cringe... You simply don’t appreciate art… 😎 Eh, I’m not big on Springsteen either. He hit a few nice spots but there’s only so much I want to hear a guy singing through a clenched underbite. Then I’m done…For God’s sake, open your mouth when you sing. It’s stressed I the most elementary of music classes. “I’m sorry, Mr. And Mrs. Springsteen, but little Brucie is never going to be a professional singer if he won’t open his mouth so we can understand the words. The “D” on his report card stands. It would also help him if he would play baseball with the other boys instead of wriggling around in front of the girls on the playground. He’s calls it “Dancing In The Dark”. I think he’s scaring them, they scream the whole time he does it.”…
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Post by ypaterson on Mar 18, 2024 19:59:23 GMT -5
While throwing hard has always been considered an asset, I think it is stressed far more today, I am sure partly because everything is measured in such excruciating detail. I have wondered if the technology could be developed that would allow for accurately measuring velocity based on videotape or film. Now that would be fun. Yeah...I've talked about pitch speed being stressed today starting with youth leagues, of which I'm not a fan. 60% of all TJ surgeries are done on kids 15-19. An acquaintance of mine who pitched several years of ML ball started a pitching "school" for youth league pitchers...eventually shut it down when all parents wanted him to do was increase their kid's pitch speed. At least that is not as drastic as parents seeking doctors to do TJ surgery in the hope that it will result in increased velocity.
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