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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 4, 2024 13:59:38 GMT -5
Only Cabrera, Aaron & Mays have a career batting averages above .300 as well as 500+ HR & 3,000+ H. What an amazing stat. And using historically recognized criteria, not overly cherry-picked. It seems like there should be more, but none of the usual suspects make it. |
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Post by inger on Jun 4, 2024 14:20:10 GMT -5
Only Cabrera, Aaron & Mays have a career batting averages above .300 as well as 500+ HR & 3,000+ H. What an amazing stat. And using historically recognized criteria, not overly cherry-picked. It seems like there should be more, but none of the usual suspects make it. That’s the way I looked at it, too. Mantle could have been there if he hadn’t played the last two years of his career…And we can blame the dominance of pitching for that more than the man himself… |
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Post by inger on Jun 4, 2024 16:52:03 GMT -5
This is why I don’t like the Negro League stats included with the MLB… it tells the whole story on my displeasure…
No. Josh Gibson is the official MLB leader for career batting average, slugging percentage and OPS, but as of now his official qualifying home runs are only 174. The “almost 800” figure on his Hall of Fame plaque includes some poorly documented home runs and exhibition games.
Gibson probably hit considerably more than 174 home runs versus major-league-caliber pitching, and I expect the figure will grow as the research process continues. But it’s not likely to come close to Bonds or the others as he played only 802 official games versus 2,986 for Bonds. The Negro major leagues had a shorter season, and Gibson had 14 seasons to Bonds’ 22...
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Post by inger on Jun 4, 2024 18:11:37 GMT -5
Brother of Dick and Ron, Hank Allen has died at the age of 83…
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Post by laurenfrances on Jun 4, 2024 21:04:32 GMT -5
Who will receive more boos, Judge in San Francisco or Verdugo in Boston?
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 4, 2024 21:13:39 GMT -5
What an amazing stat. And using historically recognized criteria, not overly cherry-picked. It seems like there should be more, but none of the usual suspects make it. That’s the way I looked at it, too. Mantle could have been there if he hadn’t played the last two years of his career…And we can blame the dominance of pitching for that more than the man himself… No, Mantle didn't have 3000 hits. Mickely lamented that he let his average slip to under .300. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 4, 2024 21:17:45 GMT -5
This is why I don’t like the Negro League stats included with the MLB… it tells the whole story on my displeasure… No. Josh Gibson is the official MLB leader for career batting average, slugging percentage and OPS, but as of now his official qualifying home runs are only 174. The “almost 800” figure on his Hall of Fame plaque includes some poorly documented home runs and exhibition games. Gibson probably hit considerably more than 174 home runs versus major-league-caliber pitching, and I expect the figure will grow as the research process continues. But it’s not likely to come close to Bonds or the others as he played only 802 official games versus 2,986 for Bonds. The Negro major leagues had a shorter season, and Gibson had 14 seasons to Bonds’ 22... When you announced that the statistics of two separate leagues would be combined, I figured that there would be problems with comparisons and counting numbers. Ichiro's stats would look much different had they included the his Japanese league accomplishments. |
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Post by inger on Jun 4, 2024 23:38:47 GMT -5
That’s the way I looked at it, too. Mantle could have been there if he hadn’t played the last two years of his career…And we can blame the dominance of pitching for that more than the man himself… No, Mantle didn't have 3000 hits. Mickely lamented that he let his average slip to under .300. Good correction. He could have, but he didn’t see many strikes and took his walks. I always thought that times on base was a better measure than hits… Then we COULD discuss the fictional “Healthy Mantle” a being that never existed from his first taste of alcohol… if only some one could have straightened that out… |
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Post by inger on Jun 5, 2024 7:53:40 GMT -5
Is this the worst no-hitter? Ever?
I'm assuming that by “worst” you mean for the team throwing the no-hitter. If so, my vote goes to the one pitched on April 8, 2023, by a minor-league team with the greatest name in professional sports: Madison, Alabama's Rocket City Trash Pandas.
(Background: the Trash Pandas are a Double-A affiliate of the Los Angeles Angels. “Rocket City” refers to Madison/Huntsville's connection to the space industry. The team nickname is for the raccoons that populate the area.)
On this day, the Trash Pandas were playing a doubleheader against the Chattanooga Lookouts, an affiliate of the Cincinnati Reds. As per minor league rules, each game was 7 innings.
Rocket City led the first game 3–0 after six innings and had a no-hitter in progress courtesy of starting pitcher Coleman Crow, who struck out six and walked two over 78 pitches.
Crow was lifted for relief pitcher Ben Joyce to begin the top of the 7th … and Chattanooga rallied for seven runs, going on to win the game 7–5.
But the Trash Pandas still got the no-hitter.
That's right: Chattanooga scored seven runs in one inning without a hit.
Here's how:
Rece Hinds led off the inning with a walk.
Allan Cerda walked.
Nick Quintana popped out.
Daniel Vellojin walked to load the bases (and was removed for pinch-runner Ilvin Fernandez).
Quincy McAfee struck out.
Jacob Hurtubise walked to force in a run, making the score 3–1.
Jose Torres hit what should have been a game-ending fly ball, but Rocket City centerfielder Jeremiah Jackson dropped it for an error. All three baserunners scored and Torres ended up on second. 4–3 Chattanooga.
At this point, Eric Torres came in to relieve Joyce and things got even worse:
Noelvi Marte was hit by a pitch.
Ivan Johnson was hit by a pitch.
Hinds batted for the second time in the inning and was hit by a pitch. 5–3 Chattanooga.
Cerda walked. 6–3 Chattanooga.
Torres threw a wild pitch to Quintana, scoring Johnson. 7–3 Chattanooga.
Quintana was hit by a pitch.
Finally, Fernandez struck out to end the inning.
Rocket City scored two runs in the bottom of the 7th, but their rally fell short.
The Trash Pandas won the second game 3–0 to split the doubleheader. Rece Hinds’ leadoff double in the second inning of game 2 was the Lookouts’ only hit for the entire day…
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Post by inger on Jun 5, 2024 8:00:27 GMT -5
This is why I don’t like the Negro League stats included with the MLB… it tells the whole story on my displeasure… No. Josh Gibson is the official MLB leader for career batting average, slugging percentage and OPS, but as of now his official qualifying home runs are only 174. The “almost 800” figure on his Hall of Fame plaque includes some poorly documented home runs and exhibition games. Gibson probably hit considerably more than 174 home runs versus major-league-caliber pitching, and I expect the figure will grow as the research process continues. But it’s not likely to come close to Bonds or the others as he played only 802 official games versus 2,986 for Bonds. The Negro major leagues had a shorter season, and Gibson had 14 seasons to Bonds’ 22... When you announced that the statistics of two separate leagues would be combined, I figured that there would be problems with comparisons and counting numbers. Ichiro's stats would look much different had they included the his Japanese league accomplishments. Add that many of the exhibition games were against hastily put together teams of locals and played on less than stellar field with questionable dimensions. Since I was a boy Ty Cobb owned the record for highest batting average, and now he’s been replaced by a guy with no where near the same number of at bats. It’s just silly, really. I recognize Gibson as great within his league, and I recognize the travesty that wasn’t allowed to play in the major leagues. Yet as a catcher I highly doubt that he would have a batting average anywhere near that of Cobb’s have he ground out this long summer schedules like Cobb did… |
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Post by inger on Jun 5, 2024 8:09:09 GMT -5
Has Aaron Judge been around enough to create trivia? Sure!
In the 2nd inning of the NYY/TBR G on 13-Aug-2016, rookie Tyler Austin homered in his 1st MLB at-bat off Matt Andriese. The next batter was Judge and he followed suit. Austin homered 4 more times that year. Judge? 51 times more...
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Post by inger on Jun 5, 2024 8:21:52 GMT -5
In 2010, Joe Mauer signed the then richest contract in history to play catcher. By 2013 his primary position was first base… was it still a good buy for the twins?
One of many ways a long term contract can twist and turn…
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Post by bomberhojoe on Jun 5, 2024 8:27:13 GMT -5
Only Cabrera, Aaron & Mays have a career batting averages above .300 as well as 500+ HR & 3,000+ H. What an amazing stat. And using historically recognized criteria, not overly cherry-picked. It seems like there should be more, but none of the usual suspects make it. Ruth, Gehrig, Foxx and Williams come within a few hundred hits of being in that list, and Gehrig 7 HRs. If Gehrig didn't get sick, I think he would have had 600 HRs and would be all-time leader in RBI. |
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Post by inger on Jun 5, 2024 8:31:57 GMT -5
What an amazing stat. And using historically recognized criteria, not overly cherry-picked. It seems like there should be more, but none of the usual suspects make it. Ruth, Gehrig, Foxx and Williams come within a few hundred hits of being in that list, and Gehrig 7 HRs. If Gehrig didn't get sick, I think he would have had 600 HRs and would be all-time leader in RBI. One of the most amazing things about that stat is that only those three men have overcome the obstacles in their paths to reach the criteria. And with Cabrera’s defensive issues it’s amazing that he got to play so long… |
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Post by chiyankee on Jun 5, 2024 8:54:21 GMT -5
May 27, 1983, Dave Winfield grabs Oakland A’s catcher Mike Heath by the throat at Yankee Stadium. If my memory serves me right, Mike Norris threw at him and Winfield made a move to charge the mound and Heath got in front of him to stop him and the fight was on!… Mike Heath, Ex-Yankee. Yankee on Yankee hate. |
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