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Post by pippsheadache on Nov 4, 2024 14:59:30 GMT -5
I should have added -- Blake Snell, who famously had never pitched even 8 innings in a game through 2023, did pitch a shutout for the Giants last year, his only such effort in 211 starts.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Nov 4, 2024 14:59:38 GMT -5
Best Yankee second baseman ever usually comes down to an argument among Joe Gordon, Tony Lazzeri or Willie Randolph. Robby Cano was in that argument too pre-PED. Cano by the way has the highest BA and lowest OBP of those four. Lazzeri, Gordon and Cano have nearly identical OPS+ numbers. Randolph is well behind in that category but is right there with Lazzeri in OBP. Not to mention machine-like consistency with the bat and outstanding defense (where Gordon also rates very high -- almost no write-up about him fails to use the word "acrobatic.") Gordon held the single-season record for HRs by an American League second baseman with 25 in 1937, a record that stood until Brett Boone hit 36 in 2001. I know Jose Canseco claimed Boone did it with chemical enhancement, but there were a lot of holes in Canseco's account, so I don't know how much credence it deserves. Gordon was traded to Cleveland for Allie Reynolds before the 1947 season in the proverbial trade that helped both teams -- Gordon was the top position player on the 1948 championship team and was an All Star in three of his four years with the Indians (plus a six-time All Star with the Yanks), while Reynolds was an integral component of the great Yankee squads of the late 40s and early 50s. Some odd Gordonalia -- he played violin with the Portland Symphony, was an accomplished cowboy and a skilled ventriloquist. Talk about your Renaissance Man! Pipps, just wanted to say that there are many good posters on this site and you are one of the best. You always bring interesting and relevant analysis and information to what ever thread you weigh in on. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Nov 4, 2024 15:02:49 GMT -5
Best Yankee second baseman ever usually comes down to an argument among Joe Gordon, Tony Lazzeri or Willie Randolph. Robby Cano was in that argument too pre-PED. Cano by the way has the highest BA and lowest OBP of those four. Lazzeri, Gordon and Cano have nearly identical OPS+ numbers. Randolph is well behind in that category but is right there with Lazzeri in OBP. Not to mention machine-like consistency with the bat and outstanding defense (where Gordon also rates very high -- almost no write-up about him fails to use the word "acrobatic.") Gordon held the single-season record for HRs by an American League second baseman with 25 in 1937, a record that stood until Brett Boone hit 36 in 2001. I know Jose Canseco claimed Boone did it with chemical enhancement, but there were a lot of holes in Canseco's account, so I don't know how much credence it deserves. Gordon was traded to Cleveland for Allie Reynolds before the 1947 season in the proverbial trade that helped both teams -- Gordon was the top position player on the 1948 championship team and was an All Star in three of his four years with the Indians (plus a six-time All Star with the Yanks), while Reynolds was an integral component of the great Yankee squads of the late 40s and early 50s. Some odd Gordonalia -- he played violin with the Portland Symphony, was an accomplished cowboy and a skilled ventriloquist. Talk about your Renaissance Man! Pipps, just wanted to say that there are many good posters on this site and you are one of the best. You always bring interesting and relevant analysis and information to what ever thread you weigh in on. Well I could easily say the same for you 55. Plus you always do so in a good-natured way that is most appreciated. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Nov 4, 2024 15:26:50 GMT -5
By the way 1955nyyfan -- I remember that famous trade of managers in 1960, when Joe Gordon went from Cleveland to Detroit and Jimmy Dykes went in the other direction. Neither man was particularly happy about it. In fact Dykes at first said he would not go through with it, but financial considerations helped change his mind. Each manager had supporters and detractors on both teams. I'm probably wandering a little far afield here on an obscure subject, but anyway -- back in the 1960s, Jimmy Dykes, who was a Philadelphia boy, had a Saturday radio talk show on 1210 WCAU. I used to call his show now and then, asking typically stupid kid type of questions. Dykes was a gruff old man who could get testy when someone asked what to him seemed like an annoying question. He could start off saying something like "what kind of question is that?" and by the time he was done talking to you he'd be calling you son and tell you to call back again. He was a wonderful man. I did ask him about that trade, which at the time was only a few years in the past. Dykes said that both he and Joe Gordon found Cleveland General Manager Frank Lane almost impossible to work for because of how he meddled in the manager's turf. Joe Gordon holds the distinction of being the only person to manage both the Kansas City Athletics and the Kansas City Royals. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Nov 4, 2024 16:13:26 GMT -5
By the way 1955nyyfan -- I remember that famous trade of managers in 1960, when Joe Gordon went from Cleveland to Detroit and Jimmy Dykes went in the other direction. Neither man was particularly happy about it. In fact Dykes at first said he would not go through with it, but financial considerations helped change his mind. Each manager had supporters and detractors on both teams. I'm probably wandering a little far afield here on an obscure subject, but anyway -- back in the 1960s, Jimmy Dykes, who was a Philadelphia boy, had a Saturday radio talk show on 1210 WCAU. I used to call his show now and then, asking typically stupid kid type of questions. Dykes was a gruff old man who could get testy when someone asked what to him seemed like an annoying question. He could start off saying something like "what kind of question is that?" and by the time he was done talking to you he'd be calling you son and tell you to call back again. He was a wonderful man. I did ask him about that trade, which at the time was only a few years in the past. Dykes said that both he and Joe Gordon found Cleveland General Manager Frank Lane almost impossible to work for because of how he meddled in the manager's turf. Joe Gordon holds the distinction of being the only person to manage both the Kansas City Athletics and the Kansas City Royals. Ok Pipps, your comments on the Dykes?Gordon trade got me wondering how many times Managers have been traded. I'd bet you recall each one. www.mentalfloss.com/article/12852/5-other-times-baseball-managers-were-traded |
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Post by pippsheadache on Nov 4, 2024 16:29:41 GMT -5
By the way 1955nyyfan -- I remember that famous trade of managers in 1960, when Joe Gordon went from Cleveland to Detroit and Jimmy Dykes went in the other direction. Neither man was particularly happy about it. In fact Dykes at first said he would not go through with it, but financial considerations helped change his mind. Each manager had supporters and detractors on both teams. I'm probably wandering a little far afield here on an obscure subject, but anyway -- back in the 1960s, Jimmy Dykes, who was a Philadelphia boy, had a Saturday radio talk show on 1210 WCAU. I used to call his show now and then, asking typically stupid kid type of questions. Dykes was a gruff old man who could get testy when someone asked what to him seemed like an annoying question. He could start off saying something like "what kind of question is that?" and by the time he was done talking to you he'd be calling you son and tell you to call back again. He was a wonderful man. I did ask him about that trade, which at the time was only a few years in the past. Dykes said that both he and Joe Gordon found Cleveland General Manager Frank Lane almost impossible to work for because of how he meddled in the manager's turf. Joe Gordon holds the distinction of being the only person to manage both the Kansas City Athletics and the Kansas City Royals. Ok Pipps, your comments on the Dykes?Gordon trade got me wondering how many times Managers have been traded. I'd bet you recall each one. www.mentalfloss.com/article/12852/5-other-times-baseball-managers-were-tradedHaha, good stuff 55. I remember those transactions, but I am pretty sure that the Gordon -- Dykes trade was the only one that involved two managers being traded for each other. You might remember Braves 90s reliever Kerry Ligtenberg. He was traded to Atlanta from the Independent Prarie League's Minneapolis Loons for 12 dozen baseballs and two dozen bats. There have been other weird trades like that usually involving minor league teams. |
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Post by inger on Nov 4, 2024 22:53:57 GMT -5
Thurman Munson is another ROY/MVP/single franchise player.
We was the first catcher to ever win the AL ROY.
Also the first post-expansion player to have three straight years with a BA over .300 with 100 RBI from 1975-1977…
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Post by inger on Nov 6, 2024 7:41:30 GMT -5
Bench’s #5 was retired by the Reds on121-Aug-1984. The Reds franchise began in 1882.
“On 03-Aug1940, Reds’ backup catcher Willard Hershberger took his own life. In the wake of this tragedy, the Reds announced that Hershberger’s number would be taken out of commission indefinitely (presumably following the example of the Yankees, who had started the tradition of retiring numbers with Gehrig’s seven months earlier). However, by 1942, Reds #5 had reappeared on the roster, remaining there until Bench’s retirement in 1983.”}
The players who wore # 5 with the Reds after Hershberger, all catchers, were:
Dick West (1941-43);
Joe Just (44-45);
Al Unser (45);
Ray Lamanno (46-48);
Dixie Howell (51);
Frank Baldwin (53);
Howie Landrith (53-55)
… then Ed Bailey was the Reds catcher from 1956-61, but he wore number six, the number he was already wearing and didn’t switch … Darrell Johnson became the Reds catcher in 1962 &, following the tradition, was issued #5. The next Reds player to wear it was Johnny Bench. No other Reds player ever wore it.
Bench often states that working in the cotton field to help his family taught him the value of hard work and perseverance and directly influenced his approach to baseball.
Bench was a ROY/MVP/one franchise player…
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 6, 2024 9:35:06 GMT -5
Thurman Munson is another ROY/MVP/single franchise player. We was the first catcher to ever win the AL ROY. Also the first post-expansion player to have three straight years with a BA over .300 with 100 RBI from 1975-1977… George Brett was another ROY/MVP/single franchise player. |
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Post by inger on Nov 7, 2024 14:30:35 GMT -5
JEFF BAGWELL ROY/MVP/single franchise player.
He was the last player to tie the record of 4 doubles in a game in the twentieth century on June 14, 1996
Bags was the first NL player to ever draw 6 walks in one game…BB X6 = 20-Aug-1999 (16 innings)…
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Post by inger on Nov 7, 2024 14:33:35 GMT -5
Thurman Munson is another ROY/MVP/single franchise player. We was the first catcher to ever win the AL ROY. Also the first post-expansion player to have three straight years with a BA over .300 with 100 RBI from 1975-1977… George Brett was another ROY/MVP/single franchise player. Excellent catch! … |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Nov 7, 2024 15:16:13 GMT -5
George Brett was another ROY/MVP/single franchise player. Excellent catch! … Close but no cigar, in 1954 Ernie Banks finished 2nd in the ROY voting behind Wally Moon. In the same year, Al Kaline finished 3rd in the AL voting. The winner was former Yankee Bob Grim. Both Banks and Kaline went on to have HOF careers while playing their entire careers with one club. |
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Post by inger on Nov 7, 2024 16:14:22 GMT -5
What about AARON JUDGE? Seems likely that he’ll join the gang, given his contract…
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Post by inger on Nov 7, 2024 16:22:20 GMT -5
BUSTER POSEY/ROY/MVP/one franchise player
The last time a catcher won the batting title, Posey hit .332.
A GG in 2016; SS 5 times, in 2012, 2014, 2015, 2017 & 2021…
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Post by inger on Nov 7, 2024 16:32:54 GMT -5
Close but no cigar, in 1954 Ernie Banks finished 2nd in the ROY voting behind Wally Moon. In the same year, Al Kaline finished 3rd in the AL voting. The winner was former Yankee Bob Grim. Both Banks and Kaline went on to have HOF careers while playing their entire careers with one club. Nice. Especially same year guys. Rare? Probably quite rare… |
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