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Post by maizeyanks on Jul 30, 2023 12:55:54 GMT -5
Axisa has rubbed me the wrong way for a while over at RAB since he shut the site down. Anyway, as I mentioned the other day, this line of thinking shouldn't be the way to go. You should try and kick-start this team, make a tweak or two, and not just throw your hands up in air while losing yet another year of Cole, Judge, Stanton in their primes. Go be the front office you think you are and make moves you punted on this past off-season. If you get in the dance... |
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 30, 2023 12:58:50 GMT -5
Bellinger was the only player I was interested in that might make sense for the Yankees without sacrificing all of their top tier prospects. He can play top notch defense at all three outfield positions and first base, he's a lefty, and he would totally change the make up of our outfield defensively, as well as the offensive balance to the lineup. There is no one else out there who would be an upgrade over the misfit toys that Cashman has assembled, without emptying the farm system. By the way, now that Gleyber knows he is being shopped again, will he go into a hole like last season amid similar rumors? |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jul 30, 2023 13:02:25 GMT -5
Axisa has rubbed me the wrong way for a while over at RAB since he shut the site down. Anyway, as I mentioned the other day, this line of thinking shouldn't be the way to go. You should try and kick-start this team, make a tweak or two, and not just throw your hands up in air while losing yet another year of Cole, Judge, Stanton in their primes. Go be the front office you think you are and make moves you punted on this past off-season. If you get in the dance... I agree the doom and gloom from him on that account is not cool. I just look at comments like this from Alonzo: I know the Mets are farther back than the Yankees, but you don't want to upset the players like this. I think the Montgomery deal last year upset players in the same way. The Yankees are 3.5 out and as I've said 10000000 times they have 6 head to heads left with the Red Sox, Blue Jays, Rays, and 7 with Houston. You can't call them "out of it" with that many head to heads left on top of all 6 of the Blue Jays ones being in the last 12 games PLUS ending the season in KC while the rest of the division plays each other. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jul 30, 2023 13:03:25 GMT -5
Bellinger was the only player I was interested in that might make sense for the Yankees without sacrificing all of their top tier prospects. He can play top notch defense at all three outfield positions and first base, he's a lefty, and he would totally change the make up of our outfield defensively, as well as the offensive balance to the lineup. There is no one else out there who would be an upgrade over the misfit toys that Cashman has assembled, without emptying the farm system. By the way, now that Gleyber knows he is being shopped again, will he go into a hole like last season amid similar rumors? Obviously Soto is great too, but I think thats a more likely trade next year in his last year of his contract than this one. |
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Post by inger on Jul 30, 2023 13:10:29 GMT -5
I think the cardinals players are prob still the most likely to happen if they can do a similar trade like they did with the White Sox in 2017 where multiple players come over. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Is Dylan Carlson even a better hitter than IKF, Bauers, and McKinney? Kind of underwhelming. He has more upside, and YS might help him achieve that. But right now we don’t need future upside. We need a guy that grip it an rip it… |
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 30, 2023 13:35:00 GMT -5
Axisa has rubbed me the wrong way for a while over at RAB since he shut the site down. Anyway, as I mentioned the other day, this line of thinking shouldn't be the way to go. You should try and kick-start this team, make a tweak or two, and not just throw your hands up in air while losing yet another year of Cole, Judge, Stanton in their primes. Go be the front office you think you are and make moves you punted on this past off-season. If you get in the dance... Other than Aaron Judge, what Yankee prospect position player has made a significant positive impact (game changer talent) in recent years? Sanchez, Bird, Frazier, Andujar...the list goes on and on. All washouts. Look at the current team: Higgy - draft, Rizzo - trade/FA, Gleyber - trade/farm, Volpe - farm, DJLM - FA, IKF - trade, Bader - trade, Stanton - trade, Trevino - trade, Bauers - FA, McKinney - trade/FA. Not much there outside of Judge (Gleyber was pretty much fully formed by the time he was traded to the Yankees). In fact, arguably the best true farm player outside of Judge in terms of performance lately has been Thairo Estrada, who unfortunately is delighting Giants' fans. And, he was essentially let go by the Yankees for cash. We used to have nothing but farm guys up the middle: Posada, Soriano, Jeter, Bernie, Cano anchoring the team, with some genius trades of players who knew their roles. This Yankee braintrust is not very good at evaluating, drafting, or developing positional talent. This is on reason why I advocated last season and the season prior to trade "The Martian," while his hype was still "otherworldly talent." I still believe he's a Melky Cabrera with more power and patience, but not as developed on bat to ball skills (i.e.,putting the ball in play) at the same age. We should have secured Bryce Harper when we had the chance, and we should have tried to get Soto when the Nats were shopping him. Guys like that do not come around very often. At this point, other than Volpe, who would this team really miss if we would have cleared our four best prospects for a likely future Hall of Famer in Juan Soto? Cabrera? Peraza? Dominguez? Peirera? We haven't had anyone who knows how to evaluate talent to "Form A Box" if we wanted to do so. Think of all the first round flops the last twenty years. Established talent is expensive, but when you see guys like Harper and Soto, you have to bet on the Hall of Fame talent and sacrifice the what may never be, which is more likely the case with the Yankees. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jul 30, 2023 13:41:21 GMT -5
Axisa has rubbed me the wrong way for a while over at RAB since he shut the site down. Anyway, as I mentioned the other day, this line of thinking shouldn't be the way to go. You should try and kick-start this team, make a tweak or two, and not just throw your hands up in air while losing yet another year of Cole, Judge, Stanton in their primes. Go be the front office you think you are and make moves you punted on this past off-season. If you get in the dance... Other than Aaron Judge, what Yankee prospect position player has made a significant positive impact (game changer talent) in recent years? Sanchez, Bird, Frazier, Andujar...the list goes on and on. All washouts. Look at the current team: Higgy - draft, Rizzo - trade/FA, Gleyber - trade/farm, Volpe - farm, DJLM - FA, IKF - trade, Bader - trade, Stanton - trade, Trevino - trade, Bauers - FA, McKinney - trade/FA. Not much there outside of Judge (Gleyber was pretty much fully formed by the time he was traded to the Yankees). In fact, arguably the best true farm player outside of Judge in terms of performance lately has been Thairo Estrada, who unfortunately is delighting Giants' fans. And, he was essentially let go by the Yankees for cash. We used to have nothing but farm guys up the middle: Posada, Soriano, Jeter, Bernie, Cano anchoring the team, with some genius trades of players who knew their roles. This Yankee braintrust is not very good at evaluating, drafting, or developing positional talent. This is on reason why I advocated last season and the season prior to trade "The Martian," while his hype was still "otherworldly talent." I still believe he's a Melky Cabrera with more power and patience, but not as developed on bat to ball skills (i.e.,putting the ball in play) at the same age. We should have secured Bryce Harper when we had the chance, and we should have tried to get Soto when the Nats were shopping him. Guys like that do not come around very often. At this point, other than Volpe, who would this team really miss if we would have cleared our four best prospects for a likely future Hall of Famer in Juan Soto? Cabrera? Peraza? Dominguez? Peirera? We haven't had anyone who knows how to evaluate talent to "Form A Box" if we wanted to do so. Think of all the first round flops the last twenty years. Established talent is expensive, but when you see guys like Harper and Soto, you have to bet on the Hall of Fame talent and sacrifice the what may never be, which is more likely the case with the Yankees. Gardner is the other home grown but he was not on judges level for sure but we def see the hole in lf without him. Agree on Soto if they could get him they should. Nobody in the minors looks "amazing" to that level. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 30, 2023 13:44:59 GMT -5
I think the cardinals players are prob still the most likely to happen if they can do a similar trade like they did with the White Sox in 2017 where multiple players come over. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Is Dylan Carlson even a better hitter than IKF, Bauers, and McKinney? Kind of underwhelming. He's better defensively than all of them and he's a switch hitter but he's struggled to hit. Heck, I'd just stick with IKF in left with maybe Stanton and McKinney getting an occasional start there. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 30, 2023 14:05:29 GMT -5
Axisa has rubbed me the wrong way for a while over at RAB since he shut the site down. Anyway, as I mentioned the other day, this line of thinking shouldn't be the way to go. You should try and kick-start this team, make a tweak or two, and not just throw your hands up in air while losing yet another year of Cole, Judge, Stanton in their primes. Go be the front office you think you are and make moves you punted on this past off-season. If you get in the dance... Other than Aaron Judge, what Yankee prospect position player has made a significant positive impact (game changer talent) in recent years? Sanchez, Bird, Frazier, Andujar...the list goes on and on. All washouts. Look at the current team: Higgy - draft, Rizzo - trade/FA, Gleyber - trade/farm, Volpe - farm, DJLM - FA, IKF - trade, Bader - trade, Stanton - trade, Trevino - trade, Bauers - FA, McKinney - trade/FA. Not much there outside of Judge (Gleyber was pretty much fully formed by the time he was traded to the Yankees). In fact, arguably the best true farm player outside of Judge in terms of performance lately has been Thairo Estrada, who unfortunately is delighting Giants' fans. And, he was essentially let go by the Yankees for cash. We used to have nothing but farm guys up the middle: Posada, Soriano, Jeter, Bernie, Cano anchoring the team, with some genius trades of players who knew their roles. This Yankee braintrust is not very good at evaluating, drafting, or developing positional talent. This is on reason why I advocated last season and the season prior to trade "The Martian," while his hype was still "otherworldly talent." I still believe he's a Melky Cabrera with more power and patience, but not as developed on bat to ball skills (i.e.,putting the ball in play) at the same age. We should have secured Bryce Harper when we had the chance, and we should have tried to get Soto when the Nats were shopping him. Guys like that do not come around very often. At this point, other than Volpe, who would this team really miss if we would have cleared our four best prospects for a likely future Hall of Famer in Juan Soto? Cabrera? Peraza? Dominguez? Peirera? We haven't had anyone who knows how to evaluate talent to "Form A Box" if we wanted to do so. Think of all the first round flops the last twenty years. Established talent is expensive, but when you see guys like Harper and Soto, you have to bet on the Hall of Fame talent and sacrifice the what may never be, which is more likely the case with the Yankees. This is so well written I thought I was reading a sport's writer's article on the flaws of Yankee management. Then I saw the "Form A Box".  Great job Rizz, summarize what's wrong with the Yankees and why they always have to look to free agency or the trade market to improve the lineup since they can't develop their own players. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jul 30, 2023 14:09:45 GMT -5
Other than Aaron Judge, what Yankee prospect position player has made a significant positive impact (game changer talent) in recent years? Sanchez, Bird, Frazier, Andujar...the list goes on and on. All washouts. Look at the current team: Higgy - draft, Rizzo - trade/FA, Gleyber - trade/farm, Volpe - farm, DJLM - FA, IKF - trade, Bader - trade, Stanton - trade, Trevino - trade, Bauers - FA, McKinney - trade/FA. Not much there outside of Judge (Gleyber was pretty much fully formed by the time he was traded to the Yankees). In fact, arguably the best true farm player outside of Judge in terms of performance lately has been Thairo Estrada, who unfortunately is delighting Giants' fans. And, he was essentially let go by the Yankees for cash. We used to have nothing but farm guys up the middle: Posada, Soriano, Jeter, Bernie, Cano anchoring the team, with some genius trades of players who knew their roles. This Yankee braintrust is not very good at evaluating, drafting, or developing positional talent. This is on reason why I advocated last season and the season prior to trade "The Martian," while his hype was still "otherworldly talent." I still believe he's a Melky Cabrera with more power and patience, but not as developed on bat to ball skills (i.e.,putting the ball in play) at the same age. We should have secured Bryce Harper when we had the chance, and we should have tried to get Soto when the Nats were shopping him. Guys like that do not come around very often. At this point, other than Volpe, who would this team really miss if we would have cleared our four best prospects for a likely future Hall of Famer in Juan Soto? Cabrera? Peraza? Dominguez? Peirera? We haven't had anyone who knows how to evaluate talent to "Form A Box" if we wanted to do so. Think of all the first round flops the last twenty years. Established talent is expensive, but when you see guys like Harper and Soto, you have to bet on the Hall of Fame talent and sacrifice the what may never be, which is more likely the case with the Yankees. This is so well written I thought I was reading a sport's writer's article on the flaws of Yankee management. Then I saw the "Form A Box". Great job Rizz, summarize what's wrong with the Yankees and why they always have to look to free agency or the trade market to improve the lineup since they can't develop their own players. I agree top notch analysis Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 30, 2023 14:11:02 GMT -5
Other than Aaron Judge, what Yankee prospect position player has made a significant positive impact (game changer talent) in recent years? Sanchez, Bird, Frazier, Andujar...the list goes on and on. All washouts. Look at the current team: Higgy - draft, Rizzo - trade/FA, Gleyber - trade/farm, Volpe - farm, DJLM - FA, IKF - trade, Bader - trade, Stanton - trade, Trevino - trade, Bauers - FA, McKinney - trade/FA. Not much there outside of Judge (Gleyber was pretty much fully formed by the time he was traded to the Yankees). In fact, arguably the best true farm player outside of Judge in terms of performance lately has been Thairo Estrada, who unfortunately is delighting Giants' fans. And, he was essentially let go by the Yankees for cash. We used to have nothing but farm guys up the middle: Posada, Soriano, Jeter, Bernie, Cano anchoring the team, with some genius trades of players who knew their roles. This Yankee braintrust is not very good at evaluating, drafting, or developing positional talent. This is on reason why I advocated last season and the season prior to trade "The Martian," while his hype was still "otherworldly talent." I still believe he's a Melky Cabrera with more power and patience, but not as developed on bat to ball skills (i.e.,putting the ball in play) at the same age. We should have secured Bryce Harper when we had the chance, and we should have tried to get Soto when the Nats were shopping him. Guys like that do not come around very often. At this point, other than Volpe, who would this team really miss if we would have cleared our four best prospects for a likely future Hall of Famer in Juan Soto? Cabrera? Peraza? Dominguez? Peirera? We haven't had anyone who knows how to evaluate talent to "Form A Box" if we wanted to do so. Think of all the first round flops the last twenty years. Established talent is expensive, but when you see guys like Harper and Soto, you have to bet on the Hall of Fame talent and sacrifice the what may never be, which is more likely the case with the Yankees. Gardner is the other home grown but he was not on judges level for sure but we def see the hole in lf without him. Agree on Soto if they could get him they should. Nobody in the minors looks "amazing" to that level. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk We were spoiled all those years having Gardner playing LF at Yankee Stadium. He was like a second CF out there. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jul 30, 2023 14:13:00 GMT -5
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Post by maizeyanks on Jul 30, 2023 14:21:42 GMT -5
Carlson is really, really good against LHP (less so vs RHP but maybe short porch in YS can help him in that regard) and is a plus defender. Wouldn't be a huge splash but certainly a worthwhile addition and he's only 24. STL to their benefit and perhaps sometimes their detriment like this year, look for certain style of player, I wouldn't be off-put that they wanna sell him or Hicks. I wonder if it's gonna become too rich for Cashman now that Bellinger isn't available and more teams look to STL for help. Cashman in recent years has made some off-the-radar deals, wouldn't be shocked if we saw that come our way moreso than what's beeing rumored.
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 30, 2023 14:37:58 GMT -5
Forget about Hicks, he's heading to Toronto.
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Post by maizeyanks on Jul 30, 2023 14:38:11 GMT -5
There goes Hicks, 1.51 whip, 5.2 BB/9, but he's a flamethrower.
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Great job Rizz, summarize what's wrong with the Yankees and why they always have to look to free agency or the trade market to improve the lineup since they can't develop their own players.