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Post by Max on Dec 28, 2023 13:29:33 GMT -5
The past couple of seasons I have called the Yankees roster a talented mess. Too many good infielders and not enough good OFers. In my opinion, the Yankees aren't cheap, but at times they can be penny wise and pound foolish. I think Cashman is a good GM, but I understand some of the criticism he gets from some fans. Not a fan of his trades for Donaldson and Montas. I would have liked if he signed Soto to a contract extension before trading for him. It's a great trade for the Yankees if they re-sign Soto. But if they don't re-sign him, the Yankees traded away King who looks to be coming into his own. Plus, Thorpe who was the Yankees best pitching prospect, and 2 other pitchers that showed potential. To be fair the Yankees did get one of the best hitters in MLB without trading their top prospects The Martian and Jones. King is a free agent after 2025. 2 years of King for 1 year of Soto. I'd do that every time. So would I, but there are other promising players that were included in that trade. |
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Post by kaybli on Dec 28, 2023 13:37:37 GMT -5
King is a free agent after 2025. 2 years of King for 1 year of Soto. I'd do that every time. So would I, but there are other promising players that were included in that trade. Thorpe definitely hurts. Higgy, Brito, and Vasquez I won't lose any sleep over. |
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Post by Max on Dec 28, 2023 13:46:41 GMT -5
So would I, but there are other promising players that were included in that trade. Thorpe definitely hurts. Higgy, Brito, and Vasquez I won't lose any sleep over. Yep, I think Thorpe was the key to that trade for the Padres. |
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Post by rizzuto on Dec 28, 2023 14:03:43 GMT -5
Yea they really should be going for a top name here at this deadline, but if Hal has anything to do with it, it will be someone like Grichuk which doesn't move the needle at all. This has been a frequent discussion topic on the other board. I will say, I'm always surprised that so many posters feel Hal is the problem because he doesn't spent when the Yankees are consistently amongst the top spenders in baseball. I think the lions share of the blame falls on Cashman because of poor roster construction and a failure to consistently develop young talent. Too many years, despite spending close to $300mm we still have too many players like Bauers or McKinney getting too much PT. There seems to be a feeling that if Hal just gave Cash another $50mm he could right this ship, even after some questionable decisions with the first $300mm investment. You won't find many Cashman defenders on this forum - quite the opposite, and I am right at the point of the fire Cashman spear. On the other hand, it is Hal who keeps Cashman in what appears to be a lifetime position, like a Supreme Court justice, despite the results and awful lack of accountability. What's more is Cashman appears to be more defiant and profanely unrepentant for the lack of success. While Cashman has been general manager since 1998, the bulk of the work at creating the last dynasty teams was shouldered by Gene "Stick" Michael and Buck Showalter. Cashman has never been to a World Series, much less won one, without Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettitte, and Mariano Rivera. And, despite the quite obvious purchasing of free agents AJ Burnett, CC Sabathia, and Mark Teixeira, the 2009 World Series championship team was led in WAR by no one other than Derek Jeter (.334/.406/.465/.871 with 30 stolen bases and over 200 hits) who finished the season third in MVP voting, with a Silver Slugger and a Gold Glove Award. Jeter absolutely wore out left-handed pitching in 2009, batting .396/.468/.542/1.010. In the dog days of August down the stretch, Jeter's line was .377/.403/.574/.977. In the leadoff spot to begin games, Jeter hit .381/.415/.547/.962 for the season. And in the World Series, Jeter excelled even more: .407/.429/.519/.947. By the way, Andy Pettitte won two of the four World Series victories in 2009, and Mariano Rivera finished all four of those wins with a World Series ERA of 0.00. Without the Core Four, Cashman has done less with more money expended than any other franchise. Hal gets no awards from me, either, spending less proportionally than George (and many other MLB franchises in proportion to revenue) and taking home record profits with nothing to show for it...and Hal is quite satisfied with that and does not comprehend the enmity of the fans for doing so while continuing to treat Cashman like a favorite son. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Dec 29, 2023 13:34:36 GMT -5
Thorpe definitely hurts. Higgy, Brito, and Vasquez I won't lose any sleep over. Yep, I think Thorpe was the key to that trade for the Padres. King, too, I would think. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Dec 29, 2023 14:18:58 GMT -5
Very interested to see how King does. His stuff can be really good. Making the switch to a full time starter and pitching in a new league.
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Post by chiyankee on Dec 29, 2023 14:21:46 GMT -5
Very interested to see how King does. His stuff can be really good. Making the switch to a full time starter and pitching in a new league. King's the missing piece right now that the Yankees still need to replace for 2024. |
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Post by inger on Dec 29, 2023 16:16:18 GMT -5
Very interested to see how King does. His stuff can be really good. Making the switch to a full time starter and pitching in a new league. King's the missing piece right now that the Yankees still need to replace for 2024. I don’t as excited to see what King could do start I v over a full season, though I thought it to be a bit strange to pivot from protecting his arm my not letting him pitch two days in a row to turning him loose to pitch 6+ innings (hopefully) every 5th day. My bigger concern woukd be th ex health of his arm. I felt wd should have given up one or the other but not both of them, but I also felt that we needed Soto’s bat. Soto goes against the grain of my philosophy of getting the best fielders that can hit, but nonetheless we needed lefty hitting. Perhaps we should have nabbed Bellinger who would have fit my philosophy better. Don’t get me wrong, though. I’m still excited about having Soto in the lineup. If I have a concern I think we’re going to see a lot of “DJ Singles, Soto walks, Judge walks, Torres pops up, the next guy hits into a DP-type innings in between the glorious innings where it all goes right… We still need another big bat… We have to get those big guns home, and we still need someone to swing the bat behind them to do that… |
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Post by ypaterson on Dec 29, 2023 17:52:55 GMT -5
Very interested to see how King does. His stuff can be really good. Making the switch to a full time starter and pitching in a new league. King's the missing piece right now that the Yankees still need to replace for 2024. The Yankees need to replace King but I think they need a lot more than that. The only guy I'd wager who is good for more than 25 starts this year is Cole. Remember, Schmidt stepped up his workload from '22 to '23 by over 100 innings. That might be an issue for him in '24. |
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Post by chiyankee on Dec 29, 2023 18:26:52 GMT -5
King's the missing piece right now that the Yankees still need to replace for 2024. I don’t as excited to see what King could do start I v over a full season, though I thought it to be a bit strange to pivot from protecting his arm my not letting him pitch two days in a row to turning him loose to pitch 6+ innings (hopefully) every 5th day. My bigger concern woukd be th ex health of his arm. I felt wd should have given up one or the other but not both of them, but I also felt that we needed Soto’s bat. Soto goes against the grain of my philosophy of getting the best fielders that can hit, but nonetheless we needed lefty hitting. Perhaps we should have nabbed Bellinger who would have fit my philosophy better. Don’t get me wrong, though. I’m still excited about having Soto in the lineup. If I have a concern I think we’re going to see a lot of “DJ Singles, Soto walks, Judge walks, Torres pops up, the next guy hits into a DP-type innings in between the glorious innings where it all goes right… We still need another big bat… We have to get those big guns home, and we still need someone to swing the bat behind them to do that… Much easier to replace King than find a bat like Soto's. The Yankees do need to get busy with upgrading the rotation |
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Post by chiyankee on Dec 29, 2023 18:29:18 GMT -5
King's the missing piece right now that the Yankees still need to replace for 2024. The Yankees need to replace King but I think they need a lot more than that. The only guy I'd wager who is good for more than 25 starts this year is Cole. Remember, Schmidt stepped up his workload from '22 to '23 by over 100 innings. That might be an issue for him in '24. Hopefully the Yankees add two more starters to go with Cole, Rodon and Nestor and Schmidt sees more time in the bullpen. |
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Post by rizzuto on Dec 29, 2023 19:08:19 GMT -5
King's the missing piece right now that the Yankees still need to replace for 2024. The Yankees need to replace King but I think they need a lot more than that. The only guy I'd wager who is good for more than 25 starts this year is Cole. Remember, Schmidt stepped up his workload from '22 to '23 by over 100 innings. That might be an issue for him in '24. Schmidt threw 57.2 innings at the major league level in 2022, plus another 33 in the minor leagues. Still, 159 innings (32 starts) in 2023 is a 43% increase from 2022. |
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Post by inger on Dec 29, 2023 22:04:22 GMT -5
I don’t as excited to see what King could do start I v over a full season, though I thought it to be a bit strange to pivot from protecting his arm my not letting him pitch two days in a row to turning him loose to pitch 6+ innings (hopefully) every 5th day. My bigger concern woukd be th ex health of his arm. I felt wd should have given up one or the other but not both of them, but I also felt that we needed Soto’s bat. Soto goes against the grain of my philosophy of getting the best fielders that can hit, but nonetheless we needed lefty hitting. Perhaps we should have nabbed Bellinger who would have fit my philosophy better. Don’t get me wrong, though. I’m still excited about having Soto in the lineup. If I have a concern I think we’re going to see a lot of “DJ Singles, Soto walks, Judge walks, Torres pops up, the next guy hits into a DP-type innings in between the glorious innings where it all goes right… We still need another big bat… We have to get those big guns home, and we still need someone to swing the bat behind them to do that… Much easier to replace King than find a bat like Soto's. The Yankees do need to get busy with upgrading the rotation Oh, there’s plenty of time for that. We can wait until just as ST ends and watch the waiver wire. There’s always a Sidney Ponson or a Sergio Mitre floating around somewhere. I wonder how much more time Mitre has left to serve in prison?… |
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Post by rizzuto on Dec 29, 2023 22:05:57 GMT -5
Much easier to replace King than find a bat like Soto's. The Yankees do need to get busy with upgrading the rotation Oh, there’s plenty of time for that. We can wait until just as ST ends and watch the waiver wire. There’s always a Sidney Ponson or a Sergio Mitre floating around somewhere. I wonder how much more time Mitre has left to serve in prison?… Look up his career ERA: same number of years.  |
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Post by chiyankee on Dec 29, 2023 22:33:06 GMT -5
Much easier to replace King than find a bat like Soto's. The Yankees do need to get busy with upgrading the rotation Oh, there’s plenty of time for that. We can wait until just as ST ends and watch the waiver wire. There’s always a Sidney Ponson or a Sergio Mitre floating around somewhere. I wonder how much more time Mitre has left to serve in prison?… Now, you've done it, Kay is going to break out some of those old photoshops of Ponson and Mitre. |
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