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Post by ypaterson on Jan 10, 2024 22:21:20 GMT -5
Like you, I am a huge Posada fan, but ... you do realize he was a 26 Year old rookie right? He had 14 MLB at bats by age 25 Wells was in the MLB this past season at Age 23 and had 70 ABs ... He will be a 24 year old rookie this year. Wells is 24,, he was born in 99 . And posada wasnt the number 1 catcher until girardi left. Posada debuted as the back up catcher in 95 when he was 24/25 and didnt even play more than 60 games until he was 27 in 98 . 3 years after he was first brought up to the majors . If anything by comparing him to posada you validated my reasoning behind why wells needs more time before making him the number 1 catcher on the team Posada came to catching late. I think started catching in 1993. He might have been a starter a few years earlier if he had player behind the plate earlier in his career. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 10, 2024 22:39:39 GMT -5
Wells is 24,, he was born in 99 . And posada wasnt the number 1 catcher until girardi left. Posada debuted as the back up catcher in 95 when he was 24/25 and didnt even play more than 60 games until he was 27 in 98 . 3 years after he was first brought up to the majors . If anything by comparing him to posada you validated my reasoning behind why wells needs more time before making him the number 1 catcher on the team Posada came to catching late. I think started catching in 1993. He might have been a starter a few years earlier if he had player behind the plate earlier in his career. [ Still doesnt change my opinion of wells |
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Post by chiyankee on Jan 10, 2024 23:01:57 GMT -5
Wells is 24,, he was born in 99 . And posada wasnt the number 1 catcher until girardi left. Posada debuted as the back up catcher in 95 when he was 24/25 and didnt even play more than 60 games until he was 27 in 98 . 3 years after he was first brought up to the majors . If anything by comparing him to posada you validated my reasoning behind why wells needs more time before making him the number 1 catcher on the team What happened with Posada and Girardi is completely irrelevant. Every individual player is different as is the situation into which they enter MLB. I think the performance of Wells az well as that of Trevino will dictate how each is utilized. We can argue back and forth about it, twisting logic and citing the past, but each situation works itself out in the long run… For what it's worth, Torre delaying Posada becoming the team's #1 catcher in order to play Girardi was one of the biggest mistakes he made during his Yankee tenure. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jan 11, 2024 7:57:23 GMT -5
Your argument re not playing Wells was that he has little MLB experience, yet you don't seem to have the same argument re handing the CF job to Dominguez, as long as he's healthy. Everything else you said re playing Dominguez is irrelevant. Both Wells & Dominguez spent 2+ years in the minors. So what?? You are comparing apples to oranges man . Dominguez was compared to trout and is about 4 years younger. Wells wasnt compared to anyone like that not even posada . Wells is going to be 25 this year and is a rookie , thats old for a rookie . Now i ask why was wells in the minors so long compared to dominguez ? If you know the answer to that then you know the answer to why i habe more reservations with wells than dominguez If I remember correctly, Aaron Judge was a 25 year old rookie. In fact, Jorge Posada was as old or older as a rookie. Wells is ready from what I saw last year, both offensively and defensively. Behind the plate, he was very quiet, something Sanchez never was. Wells does not have the arm strength that Sanchez did, but according to David Cone, his pop time and getting rid of the ball was actually better. Wells’ last 40 at bats, he had on OPS over 1.000. He also received rave reviews from the pitchers he caught. And, he is left handed. I’m very high on him and can’t wait to see his development as the primary starter. As for Trevino, he is a solid defensive catcher, but it’s not like he’s a Molina behind the plate. Does not have that kind of arm strength. Also, Trevino is perfect for a platoon because he hits lefties much better. And, other than his first half of his first year with the Yankees, he has not been an offensive threat except against lefties. I expect a platoon for the Yankees behind the plate this season, which means Wells will be facing right handed hitters. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 11, 2024 8:21:51 GMT -5
You are comparing apples to oranges man . Dominguez was compared to trout and is about 4 years younger. Wells wasnt compared to anyone like that not even posada . Wells is going to be 25 this year and is a rookie , thats old for a rookie . Now i ask why was wells in the minors so long compared to dominguez ? If you know the answer to that then you know the answer to why i habe more reservations with wells than dominguez If I remember correctly, Aaron Judge was a 25 year old rookie. In fact, Jorge Posada was as old or older as a rookie. Wells is ready from what I saw last year, both offensively and defensively. Behind the plate, he was very quiet, something Sanchez never was. Wells does not have the arm strength that Sanchez did, but according to David Cone, his pop time and getting rid of the ball was actually better. Wells’ last 40 at bats, he had on OPS over 1.000. He also received rave reviews from the pitchers he caught. And, he is left handed. I’m very high on him and can’t wait to see his development as the primary starter. As for Trevino, he is a solid defensive catcher, but it’s not like he’s a Molina behind the plate. Does not have that kind of arm strength. Also, Trevino is perfect for a platoon because he hits lefties much better. And, other than his first half of his first year with the Yankees, he has not been an offensive threat except against lefties. I expect a platoon for the Yankees behind the plate this season, which means Wells will be facing right handed hitters. I just cant agree . 19 meaningless games after the were eliminated is hardly enough of a sample size to conclude he is ready to be an every day starter . I mean its just too small of a sample size to really conclude anything other than he should have a spot in the majors over higgy . I mean he was only brought up because of injury and lack of hitting from rordvedt . |
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Post by inger on Jan 11, 2024 9:17:12 GMT -5
What happened with Posada and Girardi is completely irrelevant. Every individual player is different as is the situation into which they enter MLB. I think the performance of Wells az well as that of Trevino will dictate how each is utilized. We can argue back and forth about it, twisting logic and citing the past, but each situation works itself out in the long run… That is true . But the most logical thing to do is wait and see how he does this season before making him the number 1 catcher Of course. To coronate him now would be a mistake. We can HOPE he earns that job. I like Trevino, but we need an offense the will allow us to focus on defense behind the plate. I think a platoon to start the year would be appropriate, and both men need to produce in order to hold their half of the job… |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 11, 2024 9:34:40 GMT -5
That is true . But the most logical thing to do is wait and see how he does this season before making him the number 1 catcher Of course. To coronate him now would be a mistake. We can HOPE he earns that job. I like Trevino, but we need an offense the will allow us to focus on defense behind the plate. I think a platoon to start the year would be appropriate, and both men need to produce in order to hold their half of the job… Obviously neither Trevino/Wells will catch 162 games. The term “backup” to me means the roll Higgy or Romine had played with the Yanks. I’d like to see Wells get a lot more playing time/ABs than that. That, IMO, is the only way to determine if he is the Yankee catcher of the future. |
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Post by ypaterson on Jan 11, 2024 10:13:44 GMT -5
Of course. To coronate him now would be a mistake. We can HOPE he earns that job. I like Trevino, but we need an offense the will allow us to focus on defense behind the plate. I think a platoon to start the year would be appropriate, and both men need to produce in order to hold their half of the job… Obviously neither Trevino/Wells will catch 162 games. The term “backup” to me means the roll Higgy or Romine had played with the Yanks. I’d like to see Wells get a lot more playing time/ABs than that. That, IMO, is the only way to determine if he is the Yankee catcher of the future.
We should all be able to agree on that. |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Jan 11, 2024 10:58:57 GMT -5
What happened with Posada and Girardi is completely irrelevant. Every individual player is different as is the situation into which they enter MLB. I think the performance of Wells az well as that of Trevino will dictate how each is utilized. We can argue back and forth about it, twisting logic and citing the past, but each situation works itself out in the long run… For what it's worth, Torre delaying Posada becoming the team's #1 catcher in order to play Girardi was one of the biggest mistakes he made during his Yankee tenure. I respectfully disagree. While I believe Torre had his share of missteps as Yankee manager, I do not believe his bringing along of Posada was one of them. I think having Girardi who was a much better defensive catcher than Posada, with experience splitting the games 60/40 in Posada's rookie year was the right strategy. Then in Posada's second season flipping the ratio in Posada's favor. That season the Yankees won their most games ever, and it would behard to find fault in much that year. |
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Post by Max on Jan 11, 2024 11:06:08 GMT -5
The White Sox GM player demands are turning off a lot of teams, including the Orioles who have a lot talent in their farm system to use in a trade. Clipper I heard that the WSox asked the Orioles for Jackson Holliday for Cease, the same Jackson Holliday that's MLB #1 prospect. A laughable request in my opinion. |
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Post by Max on Jan 11, 2024 11:10:24 GMT -5
Wells defense seemed fine to me last year. And he was really heating up with the bat the last few weeks of the season. We need offense, I would make him the starter. I think Trevino will catch Cole and then they can sit Wells against some lefties. Maybe a 60/40 split? I think maybe they start off the season platooning, with Wells eventually becoming the everyday Catcher. Assuming that is his defense is up to par. |
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Post by kaybli on Jan 11, 2024 11:18:19 GMT -5
The White Sox GM player demands are turning off a lot of teams, including the Orioles who have a lot talent in their farm system to use in a trade. Clipper I heard that the WSox asked the Orioles for Jackson Holliday for Cease, the same Jackson Holliday that's MLB #1 prospect. A laughable request in my opinion. I don't know what the White Sox are smoking. Cease had a mediocre year season last year. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jan 11, 2024 11:41:25 GMT -5
The White Sox GM player demands are turning off a lot of teams, including the Orioles who have a lot talent in their farm system to use in a trade. Clipper I heard that the WSox asked the Orioles for Jackson Holliday for Cease, the same Jackson Holliday that's MLB #1 prospect. A laughable request in my opinion. Might as well aim high at first. I'm sure the Orioles GM was thinking "What did I do to cause you to disrespect me in such a way." |
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Post by rizzuto on Jan 11, 2024 13:39:02 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Aaron Judge was a 25 year old rookie. In fact, Jorge Posada was as old or older as a rookie. Wells is ready from what I saw last year, both offensively and defensively. Behind the plate, he was very quiet, something Sanchez never was. Wells does not have the arm strength that Sanchez did, but according to David Cone, his pop time and getting rid of the ball was actually better. Wells’ last 40 at bats, he had on OPS over 1.000. He also received rave reviews from the pitchers he caught. And, he is left handed. I’m very high on him and can’t wait to see his development as the primary starter. As for Trevino, he is a solid defensive catcher, but it’s not like he’s a Molina behind the plate. Does not have that kind of arm strength. Also, Trevino is perfect for a platoon because he hits lefties much better. And, other than his first half of his first year with the Yankees, he has not been an offensive threat except against lefties. I expect a platoon for the Yankees behind the plate this season, which means Wells will be facing right handed hitters. I just cant agree . 19 meaningless games after the were eliminated is hardly enough of a sample size to conclude he is ready to be an every day starter . I mean its just too small of a sample size to really conclude anything other than he should have a spot in the majors over higgy . I mean he was only brought up because of injury and lack of hitting from rordvedt . Unless I missed someone else’s post, I have not read anyone advocating for Wells to be an “everyday” catcher. This is known as a “straw-man fallacy,” that is arguing against a position no one had made. Moreover, there don’t appear to be any every day catchers remaining in MLB. The reason the Yankees traded Higgy was based in large part on the performance indicators in those “meaningless” games. In other words, Wells’ pop-times, average seconds on throws from home to second and third bases, framing results, comfort calling games, pregame and in game work with pitchers and their feedback and trust. While you may disagree with his solid results offensively long term, it would be unreasonable to believe that his defensive performance indicators would degrade next season at his age. I predict a platoon based upon pitching sides - right or port siders. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 11, 2024 13:48:30 GMT -5
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