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Post by domeplease on Oct 9, 2023 18:34:10 GMT -5
I said it before and will again = Trade NOW while he has a lot of value: www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/10/the-yankees-offseason-middle-infield-question.html MLBTR released our annual projected salaries for arbitration-eligible players last week. Among the class, only Juan Soto, Pete Alonso and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. had a higher figure than Gleyber Torres. MLBTR’s Matt Swartz projects the Yankee second baseman for a salary in the $15.3MM range for his final year of club control. Torres has earned that lofty estimate with consistent offense through his five-plus seasons in the majors. He’s a career .267/.334/.454 hitter in a little over 3000 trips to the plate and has been above-average in five of six campaigns. This past season was typical for the righty-swinging infielder. Torres connected on 25 homers with a .273/.347/.453 showing across 672 plate appearances. He walked at a strong 10% clip while punching out only 14.6% of the time, the lowest rate of his career. The glove is less reliable. Torres was a well below-average defender at shortstop earlier in his career. He has received tolerable but fringy grades from Defensive Runs Saved and Outs Above Average at second base. Torres isn’t in danger of moving off the keystone. The bat carries the profile, though. Even with a projected salary north of $15MM, Torres isn’t a non-tender candidate. He’s an above-average regular who would immediately be the best player available in a barren free agent middle infield class were the Yankees to inexplicably cut him loose. It’s fairly common for teams to consider trade scenarios for good but not elite players headed into their final seasons of club control on lofty projected salaries. That’s a more realistic possibility. Dealing veterans in the five-plus year service class isn’t solely a move made by non-contenders. The Blue Jays (Teoscar Hernández), Brewers (Hunter Renfroe) and Twins (Gio Urshela) all made such moves last offseason and still made a playoff run. Toronto dealt Hernández for affordable bullpen help in right-hander Erik Swanson and to clear room in the outfield for a more defense-oriented group with the subsequent acquisitions of Daulton Varsho and Kevin Kiermaier. Milwaukee and Minnesota made their moves mostly with payroll in mind, though the Brewers did bring in middle reliever Elvis Peguero as part of the Renfroe return. The time to trade Gleyber for the maximum haul was a couple years ago, when he was relatively inexpensive and teams would have greater years of control. And, trade Gleyber for what exactly? To trade Gleyber for another equal bat doesn't gain any yardage - it's a punt. The Yankees would have to get two proven bats to make sense, which is unlikely. As the second most valuable offensive player on the Yankees next to Aaron Judge, the anemic offense needs Gleyber more than any one player he would likely fetch in return. And, this Yankee lineup needs quality, not quantity; we have more than enough Calhouns and Bauers available. Gleyber has also been remarkably durable, something of an oddity in today's game. Trade him NOW before he becomes another Chapman, etc. etc. etc. |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 9, 2023 18:39:47 GMT -5
The time to trade Gleyber for the maximum haul was a couple years ago, when he was relatively inexpensive and teams would have greater years of control. And, trade Gleyber for what exactly? To trade Gleyber for another equal bat doesn't gain any yardage - it's a punt. The Yankees would have to get two proven bats to make sense, which is unlikely. As the second most valuable offensive player on the Yankees next to Aaron Judge, the anemic offense needs Gleyber more than any one player he would likely fetch in return. And, this Yankee lineup needs quality, not quantity; we have more than enough Calhouns and Bauers available. Gleyber has also been remarkably durable, something of an oddity in today's game. Trade him NOW before he becomes another Chapman, etc. etc. etc. Gleyber Torres is just 26 years old. |
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Post by inger on Oct 9, 2023 18:44:24 GMT -5
Trade him NOW before he becomes another Chapman, etc. etc. etc. Gleyber Torres is just 26 years old. . And it’s silly to compare him to a relief pitcher. I don’t get that part… but I haven’t yet consumed my daily mushrooms, so forgive me… 😵 |
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 9, 2023 18:50:24 GMT -5
The time to trade Gleyber for the maximum haul was a couple years ago, when he was relatively inexpensive and teams would have greater years of control. And, trade Gleyber for what exactly? To trade Gleyber for another equal bat doesn't gain any yardage - it's a punt. The Yankees would have to get two proven bats to make sense, which is unlikely. As the second most valuable offensive player on the Yankees next to Aaron Judge, the anemic offense needs Gleyber more than any one player he would likely fetch in return. And, this Yankee lineup needs quality, not quantity; we have more than enough Calhouns and Bauers available. Gleyber has also been remarkably durable, something of an oddity in today's game. Trade him NOW before he becomes another Chapman, etc. etc. etc. Like him or not, Aroldis Chapman has been more than serviceable this season and is pitching in the playoffs. Still hitting 102 and 103 on the radar gun: 103 strikeouts in 58.1 innings pitched during the regular season. |
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 9, 2023 18:52:27 GMT -5
Trade him NOW before he becomes another Chapman, etc. etc. etc. Gleyber Torres is just 26 years old. Out of diapers is close to a retread for our lovable ex-patriot and youth-obsessed DoMe.  |
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 9, 2023 20:00:37 GMT -5
From The Atlantic:
"One of the Yankees’ biggest problems this season (and, frankly, a few seasons running) was their inability to hit right-handed pitching. The Yankees finished 24th in wRC+ while having the fourth-most plate appearances in MLB versus righties. That’s a clear issue. Opposing teams just loaded up right-handed starters and relievers when facing the Yankees, knowing success would likely come their way. The average MLB left-handed hitter had a 105 wRC+ versus right-handed pitching compared to a 94 wRC+ as a right-handed hitter facing right-handed pitching."
"The Yankees finished 2023 with the second-fewest left-handed plate appearances in the game. Only the Houston Astros had fewer PAs from the left side. For the Yankees, loading up on righty hitters isn’t ideal because left field (the pull side) at home is one of the least friendly spots to generate success. Yankee Stadium ranked 21st in Statcast’s Park Factors for right-handed hitters. But for lefties, it graded out as the second-easiest ballpark to hit home runs, behind Cincinnati’s Great American Ballpark."
"The left-handed hitters the Yankees had this season were mostly scrapheap pickups, such as Willie Calhoun, Jake Bauers, Billy McKinney and Franchy Cordero or underperformers like Anthony Rizzo and switch-hitter Oswaldo Cabrera, who mostly hits from the left side. Because of that, the Yankees had very little success with left-handed hitters and finished with the third-worst wRC+ and third-fewest home runs. So, it’s not just about having a bunch of lefties in the lineup. They ultimately have to be good hitters regardless of their handedness."
On how to fix Stanton:
"Casey said that Stanton would benefit from “getting a little more athletic” at the plate, which could help his vision, too.
“Right now,” Casey added, “he’s just a little careful with the wide stance, not a huge load. It’s more of a careful swing. I think there’s more of an athlete in there. … If you go back and look at him (in the past), maybe just a little bit more upright, a little more rhythm in his hands, a little more of a dance out there in the box.”
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 9, 2023 20:47:03 GMT -5
From NJ.com
"Looking back, the reason Rodon prevailed against the Pirates and Red Sox was because Cole and David Cone urged him to mix in curveballs and change-ups. Stop being so predictable, they said.
What they didn’t say out loud is that Rodon needed to be realistic about that fastball: it’s not the killer pitch he thinks it is. Rodon’s not Nolan Ryan.
The swings and misses he was getting in the National League were often fouled off in the AL East, where it’s tougher to put hitters away."
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Post by domeplease on Oct 10, 2023 16:13:43 GMT -5
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Post by domeplease on Oct 10, 2023 18:31:37 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Oct 10, 2023 19:37:04 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Oct 10, 2023 20:41:46 GMT -5
It IS possible to read too much, after all… 🤓 |
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Post by domeplease on Oct 13, 2023 17:17:20 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/nyy-news-should-i-spend-or-should-i-go/ar-AA1i8lUc?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=be226574e586444b8572000ba81e5d2c&ei=18NYY News: Should I spend or should I go ...SNY | Phillip Martinez: Another day, another Gleyber Torres question. The Yankees were at least interested in dealing the second baseman at 2022’s trade deadline, and his future is one of the central questions of this coming offseason. His trade value has taken a significant hit due to the lack of team control beyond 2024, but should the Yankees want to make a splash on another side of the roster, Torres may be the easiest piece to cut loose. Baseball America | Geoff Pontas: Access to granular, batted-ball data has revolutionized the way we evaluate MLB players, but maybe more importantly it’s changed the way we can evaluate prospects. The level of information available means we can more reliably project prospects and compensate somewhat for sample size noise, and Yankees SS prospect Rodrick Arias just missed BA’s cutoff of the Statcast-popping group of MiLBers. Along with John Cruz, Arias boasts terrific contact quality that could signal a rapid promotion within the organization.
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Post by Renfield on Oct 13, 2023 18:34:27 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/nyy-news-should-i-spend-or-should-i-go/ar-AA1i8lUc?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=be226574e586444b8572000ba81e5d2c&ei=18NYY News: Should I spend or should I go ...SNY | Phillip Martinez: Another day, another Gleyber Torres question. The Yankees were at least interested in dealing the second baseman at 2022’s trade deadline, and his future is one of the central questions of this coming offseason. His trade value has taken a significant hit due to the lack of team control beyond 2024, but should the Yankees want to make a splash on another side of the roster, Torres may be the easiest piece to cut loose. Baseball America | Geoff Pontas: Access to granular, batted-ball data has revolutionized the way we evaluate MLB players, but maybe more importantly it’s changed the way we can evaluate prospects. The level of information available means we can more reliably project prospects and compensate somewhat for sample size noise, and Yankees SS prospect Rodrick Arias just missed BA’s cutoff of the Statcast-popping group of MiLBers. Along with John Cruz, Arias boasts terrific contact quality that could signal a rapid promotion within the organization. Of course we should trade the only guy in the line-up who hit above .270 at the major league level. |
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 13, 2023 20:26:43 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/nyy-news-should-i-spend-or-should-i-go/ar-AA1i8lUc?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=be226574e586444b8572000ba81e5d2c&ei=18NYY News: Should I spend or should I go ...SNY | Phillip Martinez: Another day, another Gleyber Torres question. The Yankees were at least interested in dealing the second baseman at 2022’s trade deadline, and his future is one of the central questions of this coming offseason. His trade value has taken a significant hit due to the lack of team control beyond 2024, but should the Yankees want to make a splash on another side of the roster, Torres may be the easiest piece to cut loose. Baseball America | Geoff Pontas: Access to granular, batted-ball data has revolutionized the way we evaluate MLB players, but maybe more importantly it’s changed the way we can evaluate prospects. The level of information available means we can more reliably project prospects and compensate somewhat for sample size noise, and Yankees SS prospect Rodrick Arias just missed BA’s cutoff of the Statcast-popping group of MiLBers. Along with John Cruz, Arias boasts terrific contact quality that could signal a rapid promotion within the organization. Of course we should trade the only guy in the line-up who hit above .270 at the major league level. Indeed. The time to trade Gleyber was a couple years ago. Not sure what team would be hard after him now. And, the way Waldo, Peraza, Pereira, and Volpe hit last season doesn't exactly promote confidence up the middle. |
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Post by domeplease on Oct 15, 2023 15:34:10 GMT -5
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