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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 21, 2024 4:40:18 GMT -5
I would have offered him 180 over 5 years |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 21, 2024 4:49:12 GMT -5
I didnt see many people saying the Yankees had to go out and get Hader prior to him signing with Houston. In Fact it was quite the opposite There are days I think we (Yankee fans) are spoiled and want every free agent on the market. Speak for yourself i never cared about getting hader because he wanted too many years . Other than soto i wanted two starters and one reliever to replace king in the bullpen . Getting 2 starters would have allowed them to move cortez to the bullpen where i believe he should be . . |
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Post by ypaterson on Jan 21, 2024 9:53:17 GMT -5
There are days I think we (Yankee fans) are spoiled and want every free agent on the market. Speak for yourself i never cared about getting hader because he wanted too many years . Other than soto i wanted two starters and one reliever to replace king in the bullpen . Getting 2 starters would have allowed them to move cortez to the bullpen where i believe he should be . . So all you wanted was the best left handed battter in baseball, two quality starters and a solid reliever ? And you wanted to add them without creating holes on the major league roster ? Talk to a fan of any of 22 or so other teams if you want to get a perspective on how that sounds. Since George the Yankee fan has gotten so much support that it is easy to take it for granted. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 21, 2024 13:41:32 GMT -5
Speak for yourself i never cared about getting hader because he wanted too many years . Other than soto i wanted two starters and one reliever to replace king in the bullpen . Getting 2 starters would have allowed them to move cortez to the bullpen where i believe he should be . . So all you wanted was the best left handed battter in baseball, two quality starters and a solid reliever ? And you wanted to add them without creating holes on the major league roster ? Talk to a fan of any of 22 or so other teams if you want to get a perspective on how that sounds. Since George the Yankee fan has gotten so much support that it is easy to take it for granted. You really enjoy making false assumptions dont you? Who said i wanted all that without creating holes ,? And the only hole that had been created this off season was by king . And relievers arent that hard to find . Heck i already said that the hole left by king could be filled by getting another starter and moving cortez to the bullpen . So tell me would you have been satisfied with just running it all back by bringing back both german and sevy ? And would you really have passed up on that no brainer of a trade with the padres?? |
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Post by fwclipper51 on Jan 21, 2024 17:07:45 GMT -5
Can beefed-up Yankees dethrone Orioles? Could they finish 4th again? | Beat writers roundtable
Updated: Jan. 21, 2024, 11:21 a.m.|Published: Jan. 21, 2024, 7:00 a.m.
By Randy Miller | NJ Advance Media for NJ.comMax Goodman | NJ Advance Media for NJ.comBob Klapisch | For NJ Advance Media
AL East
The Orioles won the AL East last season, but early Vegas odds have Aaron Judge and the Yankees favorites to prevail in 2024. Also hopeful for a big season are Vladimir Guerrero and the Blue Jays, Randy Arozarena and the Rays, and Rafael Devers and the Red Sox.
The 2023 season was a huge disappointment for the Yankees. They barely finished above .500, going 82-80. They missed the playoffs for the 1st time since 2016 and it wasn’t even close. They finished fourth in the AL East, only ahead of the Red Sox.
We’re 2-3 of the way through the offseason and the Yankees have made some big moves: Juan Soto, Marcus Stroman and Alex Verdugo. Of the other clubs in the division, most chose to stand pat.
The Orioles, who edged out the Rays for 1st place, have some of the best young talent in baseball. They seem set up to be an AL powerhouse for a few years. The Blue Jays were a playoff team last season and are still loaded with talent.
Where do the Yankees stack up in the division?
The oddsmakers have the Yankees as favorites, not that it means anything.
NJ Advance Media baseball writers Randy Miller and Max Goodman and baseball columnist Bob Klapisch discuss the East in their latest offseason roundtable:
Klapisch: For me, the Orioles are the favorites to repeat. I find it hard to pick against a young team that’s coming off a 101-win season. Baltimore just has too much young talent and too many weapons to envision a regression. In fact, I think they’re on the cusp of becoming an American League powerhouse. The Orioles are going to be a problem for the Yankees this year and for years to come.
Goodman: I’m with Bob. What held the Orioles back, in terms of flopping in the playoffs this past year, was their inexperience and the fact that they didn’t have an ace. Their younger guys are going to continue to get better and they might use some of the talent in their loaded farm system to go out before spring training or prior to the summer trade deadline to improve the top of their starting staff. It might be Dylan Cease, who would be a great fit. I have Baltimore repeating. as well. I think the Yankees can certainly come in 2nd, but as has been the topic of conversation all offseason, there are just so many what ifs in their lineup and in the rotation with their veterans and injury history. I actually could see the Yankees coming in 4th if everything goes wrong again, but I think that sweet spot is in the wild card race. I think the Yankees will get into the playoffs as a 2nd-or 3rd-place team.
Miller: I think it’s a 2-team race between the Orioles and the Yankees. If I had to pick today, I would take the Yankees. I’m not a big fan of Baltimore’s rotation. I know the Yankees’ have big question marks, but the O’s don’t have a true ace and they lost 2 starters to free agency that haven’t been replaced, 15-game winner Kyle Gibson and John Flaherty. I like Kyle Bradish, but he’s no Gerrit Cole. I like John Means, but he’s as much an injury risk as Carlos Rodon. Grayson Rodriguez is a potential No. 1, but he was hot and cold as a rookie last season and probably won’t be in his prime this year. I love the Orioles lineup, but the Yankees just added Soto and Verdugo, That’s adding 1 great bat and 1 good one. The Orioles’ only significant winter addition was signing one of the most unreliable closers in the majors, Craig Kimbrel. I’d be angry if I was an Orioles fan. They can salvage the winter by trading for Cease, but they be spending money to compliment their young talent and, as usual, their ownership has been cheap. As for the rest of the AL East, the Blue Jays have lost Matt Chapman, Hyun Jin Ryu, Jordan Hicks and Brandon Belt to free agency. Their big moves were re-signing Kevin Kiermaier and bringing in Isiah Kiner-Falefa to platoon at 3rd or be a utility guy. The Rays won’t be as good. They traded their best starting pitcher and one of their best bats to save money, Tyler Glasnow, Manuel Margot. Four other starting pitchers will most much or all of the season - Shane McClanahan, Jeffrey Springs, Drew Rasmussen and Shane Baz. The Red Sox have Rafael Devers and not much else. They didn’t try to compete the last 2 years and nothing’s changed. The Yankees are winning the division.
Klapisch: Randy, I’d like to know where your optimism comes from considering the Yankees still have huge question marks. And I’m not just talking about the rotation. What about Anthony Rizzo? What about DJ LeMahieu? What about Giancarlo Stanton? That’s three veterans trending in the wrong direction. Unless they do a 180 this year, or even a modest turn-around, then you’re looking at significant problems in run-production. There’s power, no question, between Aaron Judge, Stanton and Soto. But the overall bat-to-ball skills are a far cry from what they used to be. And, of top of that, you’ve got a .200 hitter in Anthony Volpe. He needs to remake his swing to become the hitter the Yankees envisioned. So that’s 4 spots in the lineup that are question marks. So, no, I just don’t share the optimism.
Miller: I think we’re going to see a better season from Stanton, Rizzo and LeMahieu. They may not be in their prime anymore, but prime Judge and Soto will lead to more runs scored than last year. I like the Yankees pitching, too. Their bullpen was the best in the league and they will be good again. I also think they are way overdue to have some better injury luck. Max, you think the Yankees potentially are a 4th-place team? No way. The Rays won’t be nearly as good as they were last season. The Blue Jays got worse. And, again, I’m not sold on the Orioles starting pitching. I give the Yankees starter a big edge and I won’t change my mind even if Rodon flops again and Baltimore adds Cease. I see the Yankees being a 95-win team.
Klapisch: I want whatever you’re on, man! Honestly, I want some of that happy medication, please.
Goodman: Look, I’m just prefacing the fact that so much has to go right for the Yankees to get to that point where they’re contending for a division title. As we saw this past year, a lot can go wrong. I’m not predicting that they will come in 4th. I just mean that if they have another season full of adversity where key guys get hurt and the veterans continued to decline, maybe Volpe and Austin Wells, Jasson Dominguez and other younger guys don’t take steps forward, then they’re in trouble. I totally agree that other teams in the division have taken steps back, but it’s still one of the best divisions in baseball, if not the best. I think the sweet spot is in that wild card race for them right now. This time last year, a lot of us were pretty confident that the Yankees would finish at the top of the division and then look what happened. On paper, it’s easy to say they’ll be comfortably in the postseason race right now, but I think we have to have this conversation again maybe after a couple of months of the season to see what question marks they are able to erase.
Klapisch: One thing is for sure: the Yankees need a fast start for many reasons. Number one is to keep Aaron Boone off the hot seat and the subject of countless stories speculating about his imminent firing. That’s a distraction the Yankees don’t need but it will happen if they’re 6 or 7 games out May 15th, playing poorly, all the questions we’ve asked are not answered in the affirmative. Boone is going to face intense scrutiny. It could be a factor.
Miller: It’s amazing to me that the Red Sox, by the way, aren’t even trying to win.
Klapisch: They finished with 78 wins 2 years in a row. It’s hard to believe how far and how fast they’ve fallen.
Miller: Boston traded Chris Sale. They didn’t bring back Justin Turner. I like Vaughn Grissom, a young 2nd baseman who was up from the Braves in the Sale trade, but look at their projected starting outfield - Jarren Duran, Tyler O’Neill and Wilyer Abreu. They’re finishing last again.
Klapisch: Down cycles are part of the industry, no one is entirely immune. But I don’t see the Yankees heading for a long Ice Age. This isn’t 1966. On the other hand, they’ve got a ways to go to catch the Orioles. It’s going to be a fascinating summer.
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Post by Rockaway Park on Jan 21, 2024 17:34:58 GMT -5
We need another starter because we just can't trust Nestor, Schmidt, or Rodon.
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 21, 2024 18:15:41 GMT -5
We need another starter because we just can't trust Nestor, Schmidt, or Rodon. Nestor should be in the bp imo . |
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Post by inger on Jan 21, 2024 18:36:52 GMT -5
We need another starter because we just can't trust Nestor, Schmidt, or Rodon. Nestor should be in the bp imo . I’ll disagree with that assessment. If we look at results last season when there was obviously something “off” he was tiring. Prior to that (2022) he was giving the team length and usually had decent pitch counts. I think last season was an anomaly due to his comeback from injury. I wouldn’t pigeon hole him into a three innings max guy just due to 2023. Let’s hope he’s well… |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 21, 2024 19:15:59 GMT -5
Nestor should be in the bp imo . I’ll disagree with that assessment. If we look at results last season when there was obviously something “off” he was tiring. Prior to that (2022) he was giving the team length and usually had decent pitch counts. I think last season was an anomaly due to his comeback from injury. I wouldn’t pigeon hole him into a three innings max guy just due to 2023. Let’s hope he’s well… Last season wasnt really an anomaly when the guy went on the IL twice in 22 with groin issues . And he has never given length overall either . In 22 he gave less than 160 innings because of health issues . Before that he never threw 100 innings in a season . That is why i still think he should be a reliever |
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Post by Rockaway Park on Jan 22, 2024 0:46:58 GMT -5
We need another starter because we just can't trust Nestor, Schmidt, or Rodon. Nestor should be in the bp imo . In a dream world give me Cole, Snell, Stroman, Bauer, Rodon. Schmidt can go do middle relief, Nestor can do late relief. Our offense is set. World Series. |
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Post by inger on Jan 22, 2024 4:57:03 GMT -5
I’ll disagree with that assessment. If we look at results last season when there was obviously something “off” he was tiring. Prior to that (2022) he was giving the team length and usually had decent pitch counts. I think last season was an anomaly due to his comeback from injury. I wouldn’t pigeon hole him into a three innings max guy just due to 2023. Let’s hope he’s well… Last season wasnt really an anomaly when the guy went on the IL twice in 22 with groin issues . And he has never given length overall either . In 22 he gave less than 160 innings because of health issues . Before that he never threw 100 innings in a season . That is why i still think he should be a reliever I get your point, but as sad as it may be 160 is pretty good these days… |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 22, 2024 5:21:15 GMT -5
Last season wasnt really an anomaly when the guy went on the IL twice in 22 with groin issues . And he has never given length overall either . In 22 he gave less than 160 innings because of health issues . Before that he never threw 100 innings in a season . That is why i still think he should be a reliever I get your point, but as sad as it may be 160 is pretty good these days… Yeah but the very next season his shoulder gave out . Now why is that? My point is that you cant expect cortez to be a starter long term when his body is already starting to struggle with the innings load that comes with being a starter |
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Post by inger on Jan 22, 2024 5:29:36 GMT -5
I get your point, but as sad as it may be 160 is pretty good these days… Yeah but the very next season his shoulder gave out . Now why is that? My point is that you cant expect cortez to be a starter long term when his body is already starting to struggle with the innings load that comes with being a starter We shall see. We don’t control it… |
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Post by Oburg Bob on Jan 22, 2024 8:15:08 GMT -5
Yeah but the very next season his shoulder gave out . Now why is that? My point is that you cant expect cortez to be a starter long term when his body is already starting to struggle with the innings load that comes with being a starter We shall see. We don’t control it… ------------------ Although I'm a little concerned that Nestor may have injured his arm, trying to throw too hard last year, his body could be recovered and stronger this Spring. I'm hopeful that he remembers the type of pitcher he was when he first was successful as a starter. He used a variety of pitches from various slots and speeds and only pulled out the 4-seamer when he needed to change timing and eye levels. He will never be a power pitcher but he may be fine being the pitcher that his body will let him be. I'm okay with 5 or 6 innings and 3 runs allowed for a back end starter. |
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