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Post by chiyankee on Jan 22, 2024 9:36:00 GMT -5
I hope Nestor starts taking his career more seriously and gets in better physical shape. I think him tiring all the time around the 5th innings isn't because of innings workload and more about conditioning.
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Post by ypaterson on Jan 22, 2024 12:22:02 GMT -5
I hope Nestor starts taking his career more seriously and gets in better physical shape. I think him tiring all the time around the 5th innings isn't because of innings workload and more about conditioning. Aren't the issues confronting Nestor due to shoulder / rotator issues ? |
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Post by chiyankee on Jan 22, 2024 12:33:23 GMT -5
I hope Nestor starts taking his career more seriously and gets in better physical shape. I think him tiring all the time around the 5th innings isn't because of innings workload and more about conditioning. Aren't the issues confronting Nestor due to shoulder / rotator issues ? That's his injury. I was referring to when he pitches, he gets winded and starts running out of gas by the 5th inning far too many times for a starter. |
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Post by inger on Jan 22, 2024 12:46:57 GMT -5
Aren't the issues confronting Nestor due to shoulder / rotator issues ? That's his injury. I was referring to when he pitches, he gets winded and starts running out of gas by the 5th inning far too many times for a starter. I thought his arm hadn’t rebounded all the way since the surgery…but a little conditioning wouldn’t hurt, either… |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 22, 2024 13:04:25 GMT -5
Aren't the issues confronting Nestor due to shoulder / rotator issues ? That's his injury. I was referring to when he pitches, he gets winded and starts running out of gas by the 5th inning far too many times for a starter. Exactly , yet another reason why i think he should be in the bp |
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Post by fwclipper51 on Jan 22, 2024 14:38:43 GMT -5
YANKEESThe one Yankee who knows the clock is ticking | Klapisch
Updated: Jan. 22, 2024, 10:14 a.m.|Published: Jan. 22, 2024, 10:01 a.m.
By Bob Klapisch | For NJ Advance MediaAaron Boone
Manager Aaron Boone is in the final year of his contract with no guarantees from ownership about 2025. Aaron Boone has always said he doesn’t worry about his future with the Yankees, even with the end of his contract just around the corner. I believe Boone, who isn’t wired for anxiety. But this summer promises to be a drama straight from the bad old days in the Bronx.
Just because the Yankees don’t fire managers as often (or as spitefully) as they did in the Boss era, doesn’t mean Boone won’t be subjected to relentless pressure - both from inside the organization and the predators in the bleachers.
Picture Juan Soto with sluggish numbers his 1st time through the American League. Or Carlos Rodon still not living up to his contract. Giancarlo Stanton still guessing (wrong) when behind in the count. Anthony Rizzo and DJ LeMahieu, both a year older and another tick slower in bat speed.
Guess who’ll take the heat if the Yankees don’t deliver on their off-season promises? If they’re, say, 6-7 games out in May, the fury will triangulate right to Boone.
As optimistic as he is by nature, I’m sure Boone is prepared for the possibility that last year’s 82-win season wasn’t just an outlier. The Yankees could be just as mediocre in 2024. That would cost Boone his job, if not during the season, then certainly when his contract is up in November.
Boone’s legacy has so far been complicated: he’s posted a winning record every year since replacing Joe Girardi in 2018 (although let’s be honest, last season was a glaring blemish). He’s captured two AL East titles (2019 and 2022) and his .585 winning percentage is better than Girardi’s was with the Yankees (.562).
But Girardi has a world championship on his portfolio. Boone is 0-for-6 since Brian Cashman lured him out of the ESPN booth. He is thus far known for failing to win a pennant.
Nevertheless, I still think Boone was the right manager to replace Girardi, whose leadership style compelled him to seek out stress. That’s what energized him. And that’s what ultimately got him fired.
Boone has been the opposite: he doesn’t read the papers, doesn’t listen to talk radio and doesn’t name-check himself on X/Twitter. Tranquility is his strength.
So here comes biggest test of all. The Yankees will arrive in 2024 with a suitcase full of questions about their stars, the veterans and even next-gen talent like Anthony Volpe. The Bombers could test the Orioles for the East top spot or they could just as easily finish 4th again.
Except this time Boone will preside over a potentially disruptive clubhouse. Player like Rodon, Marcus Stroman and Alex Verdugo have all, at one time or another, caused turbulence.
Rodon waved away, and then turned his back on Pitching Coach Matt Blake in his final start of the ‘23 season. The left-hander failed to retire any of the 8 batters he faced that day in Kansas City. The disrespect was so blatant, Rodon was summoned to Boone’s office after the game. He apologized, but the lefthander still has to repair the relationship with Blake. Similar challenges may be in store with Stroman, who blasted Cashman in 2019 and Verdugo, who criticized Alex Cora, his former manager in Boston, for not supporting the Sox players.Their reputations aside, both say they’re excited to wear the Pinstripes. Both deserve a fresh start in the Bronx. But it’s a tough year for Boone to have to assimilate outsiders. He is, after all, managing for his job.
I once asked Boone how many years he intends to remain in the dugout. Assuming he doesn’t get fired along the way, could he see himself as a latter-day Casey Stengel (who stuck around until he was 74) or Jack McKeon (80) or Felipe Alou (71)?
Boone, who’ll turn 51 in March, laughed at the possibility. “I hope I’m not managing that long,” he said. “At some point I’m sure I’d like to try something else.”
He paused before adding, “it’s honestly not something I worry about.”
At no point has Boone ever asked Cashman or Hal Steinbrenner about his job security. He already knows the answer by heart: like every other Yankees manager before him, there are no early extensions.
Boone will have to wait his turn, as did Girardi, who learned a painful lesson about how coldly business is conducted in the Bronx. Despite coming within a game of the World Series in 2017, Girardi was dismissed 5 days after the season. He walked into Cashman’s office at the Stadium expecting a new deal. He instead left in tears.
Cashman strongly advocates for Boone, but the decision after 2024 will be Steinbrenner’s alone. If the Yankees stagger to the finish line again, there’ll be another manager in 2025. That’s practically a guarantee.
That’s why I hope Boone is true to himself this season, whether it means asserting himself in the clubhouse when necessary, listening to his instincts as much as he does data and easing up on the relentless badgering of umpires.
Boone has led or tied American League managers in ejections for 3 straight years. The friction is mostly due to questioning balls and strikes from the dugout, which is (a) counter-productive to Yankees’ hitters and (b) contrary to Boone’s nature.
He’s not an angry guy. It’s not just that Boone is calm; he projects it onto his players. That’s why he was hired, to be the anti-Girardi.
That Zen, of course, could be irrelevant nine months from now. Boone will be history if the Yankees rack up enough injuries and under-performance. All that is out of the manager’s hands. So Boone might as well enjoy the ride. It could be his last. There’s nothing wrong with doing the job as Ol’ Blue Eyes once suggested: My way.
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 22, 2024 15:13:44 GMT -5
YANKEESThe one Yankee who knows the clock is ticking | Klapisch
Updated: Jan. 22, 2024, 10:14 a.m.|Published: Jan. 22, 2024, 10:01 a.m.
By Bob Klapisch | For NJ Advance MediaAaron Boone
Manager Aaron Boone is in the final year of his contract with no guarantees from ownership about 2025.View AttachmentAaron Boone has always said he doesn’t worry about his future with the Yankees, even with the end of his contract just around the corner. I believe Boone, who isn’t wired for anxiety. But this summer promises to be a drama straight from the bad old days in the Bronx.
Just because the Yankees don’t fire managers as often (or as spitefully) as they did in the Boss era, doesn’t mean Boone won’t be subjected to relentless pressure - both from inside the organization and the predators in the bleachers.
Picture Juan Soto with sluggish numbers his 1st time through the American League. Or Carlos Rodon still not living up to his contract. Giancarlo Stanton still guessing (wrong) when behind in the count. Anthony Rizzo and DJ LeMahieu, both a year older and another tick slower in bat speed.
Guess who’ll take the heat if the Yankees don’t deliver on their off-season promises? If they’re, say, 6-7 games out in May, the fury will triangulate right to Boone.
As optimistic as he is by nature, I’m sure Boone is prepared for the possibility that last year’s 82-win season wasn’t just an outlier. The Yankees could be just as mediocre in 2024. That would cost Boone his job, if not during the season, then certainly when his contract is up in November.
Boone’s legacy has so far been complicated: he’s posted a winning record every year since replacing Joe Girardi in 2018 (although let’s be honest, last season was a glaring blemish). He’s captured two AL East titles (2019 and 2022) and his .585 winning percentage is better than Girardi’s was with the Yankees (.562).
But Girardi has a world championship on his portfolio. Boone is 0-for-6 since Brian Cashman lured him out of the ESPN booth. He is thus far known for failing to win a pennant.
Nevertheless, I still think Boone was the right manager to replace Girardi, whose leadership style compelled him to seek out stress. That’s what energized him. And that’s what ultimately got him fired.
Boone has been the opposite: he doesn’t read the papers, doesn’t listen to talk radio and doesn’t name-check himself on X/Twitter. Tranquility is his strength.
So here comes biggest test of all. The Yankees will arrive in 2024 with a suitcase full of questions about their stars, the veterans and even next-gen talent like Anthony Volpe. The Bombers could test the Orioles for the East top spot or they could just as easily finish 4th again.
Except this time Boone will preside over a potentially disruptive clubhouse. Player like Rodon, Marcus Stroman and Alex Verdugo have all, at one time or another, caused turbulence.
Rodon waved away, and then turned his back on Pitching Coach Matt Blake in his final start of the ‘23 season. The left-hander failed to retire any of the 8 batters he faced that day in Kansas City. The disrespect was so blatant, Rodon was summoned to Boone’s office after the game. He apologized, but the lefthander still has to repair the relationship with Blake. Similar challenges may be in store with Stroman, who blasted Cashman in 2019 and Verdugo, who criticized Alex Cora, his former manager in Boston, for not supporting the Sox players.Their reputations aside, both say they’re excited to wear the Pinstripes. Both deserve a fresh start in the Bronx. But it’s a tough year for Boone to have to assimilate outsiders. He is, after all, managing for his job.
I once asked Boone how many years he intends to remain in the dugout. Assuming he doesn’t get fired along the way, could he see himself as a latter-day Casey Stengel (who stuck around until he was 74) or Jack McKeon (80) or Felipe Alou (71)?
Boone, who’ll turn 51 in March, laughed at the possibility. “I hope I’m not managing that long,” he said. “At some point I’m sure I’d like to try something else.”
He paused before adding, “it’s honestly not something I worry about.”
At no point has Boone ever asked Cashman or Hal Steinbrenner about his job security. He already knows the answer by heart: like every other Yankees manager before him, there are no early extensions.
Boone will have to wait his turn, as did Girardi, who learned a painful lesson about how coldly business is conducted in the Bronx. Despite coming within a game of the World Series in 2017, Girardi was dismissed 5 days after the season. He walked into Cashman’s office at the Stadium expecting a new deal. He instead left in tears.
Cashman strongly advocates for Boone, but the decision after 2024 will be Steinbrenner’s alone. If the Yankees stagger to the finish line again, there’ll be another manager in 2025. That’s practically a guarantee.
That’s why I hope Boone is true to himself this season, whether it means asserting himself in the clubhouse when necessary, listening to his instincts as much as he does data and easing up on the relentless badgering of umpires.
Boone has led or tied American League managers in ejections for 3 straight years. The friction is mostly due to questioning balls and strikes from the dugout, which is (a) counter-productive to Yankees’ hitters and (b) contrary to Boone’s nature.
He’s not an angry guy. It’s not just that Boone is calm; he projects it onto his players. That’s why he was hired, to be the anti-Girardi.
That Zen, of course, could be irrelevant nine months from now. Boone will be history if the Yankees rack up enough injuries and under-performance. All that is out of the manager’s hands. So Boone might as well enjoy the ride. It could be his last. There’s nothing wrong with doing the job as Ol’ Blue Eyes once suggested: My way. I will believe that when i see that . |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jan 22, 2024 15:18:36 GMT -5
That's his injury. I was referring to when he pitches, he gets winded and starts running out of gas by the 5th inning far too many times for a starter. Exactly , yet another reason why i think he should be in the bp Looked at Cortez's stats on baseball reference. During his career as a starter he has averaged 5.3 innings per start. During that period, the major league average for a starter was 5.2. I don't think most fans understan how much the game has changed in this regard. While we keep hoping to find starters who will give us 6 or 7 innings, those guys are extremely rare. SP is really hard to find and as currently constructed the Yankees have very little depth. We need Cortez to return to the pitcher he was in 2022 when he pitched well and averaged 5.6 innings per start. I don't think he moves to the pen nor should he. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 22, 2024 15:25:14 GMT -5
Exactly , yet another reason why i think he should be in the bp Looked at Cortez's stats on baseball reference. During his career as a starter he has averaged 5.3 innings per start. During that period, the major league average for a starter was 5.2. I don't think most fans understan how much the game has changed in this regard. While we keep hoping to find starters who will give us 6 or 7 innings, those guys are extremely rare. SP is really hard to find and as currently constructed the Yankees have very little depth. We need Cortez to return to the pitcher he was in 2022 when he pitched well and averaged 5.6 innings per start. I don't think he moves to the pen nor should he. And yet you still ignore the elephant in the room . He never threw 100 innings in one season in the majors before 22 . And as hard as it is to find starting pitching since when is it a good idea to make what was a journey man reliever a full time starting pitcher ? |
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Post by chiyankee on Jan 22, 2024 15:35:56 GMT -5
Exactly , yet another reason why i think he should be in the bp Looked at Cortez's stats on baseball reference. During his career as a starter he has averaged 5.3 innings per start. During that period, the major league average for a starter was 5.2. I don't think most fans understan how much the game has changed in this regard. While we keep hoping to find starters who will give us 6 or 7 innings, those guys are extremely rare. SP is really hard to find and as currently constructed the Yankees have very little depth. We need Cortez to return to the pitcher he was in 2022 when he pitched well and averaged 5.6 innings per start. I don't think he moves to the pen nor should he. The biggest problem is front offices don't like pitchers to face lineups for a third time, so they pull them early. There's pitchers in the game that could be 7 inning guys if management allowed them. MLB keeps making rules changes, I'd love to see bullpens reduced to 12 pitchers. Make these starters go deeper into games and eliminate openers too. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 22, 2024 15:48:23 GMT -5
Looked at Cortez's stats on baseball reference. During his career as a starter he has averaged 5.3 innings per start. During that period, the major league average for a starter was 5.2. I don't think most fans understan how much the game has changed in this regard. While we keep hoping to find starters who will give us 6 or 7 innings, those guys are extremely rare. SP is really hard to find and as currently constructed the Yankees have very little depth. We need Cortez to return to the pitcher he was in 2022 when he pitched well and averaged 5.6 innings per start. I don't think he moves to the pen nor should he. The biggest problem is front offices don't like pitchers to face lineups for a third time, so they pull them early. There's pitchers in the game that could be 7 inning guys if management allowed them. MLB keeps making rules changes, I'd love to see bullpens reduced to 12 pitchers. Make these starters go deeper into games and eliminate openers too. Openers do need to be done away with . It rarely works anyway |
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Post by qimqam on Jan 22, 2024 16:01:01 GMT -5
Looked at Cortez's stats on baseball reference. During his career as a starter he has averaged 5.3 innings per start. During that period, the major league average for a starter was 5.2. I don't think most fans understan how much the game has changed in this regard. While we keep hoping to find starters who will give us 6 or 7 innings, those guys are extremely rare. SP is really hard to find and as currently constructed the Yankees have very little depth. We need Cortez to return to the pitcher he was in 2022 when he pitched well and averaged 5.6 innings per start. I don't think he moves to the pen nor should he. And yet you still ignore the elephant in the room . He never threw 100 innings in one season in the majors before 22 . And as hard as it is to find starting pitching since when is it a good idea to make what was a journey man reliever a full time starting pitcher ? He wasnt a starter until halfway through 2021 D |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jan 22, 2024 16:07:29 GMT -5
Looked at Cortez's stats on baseball reference. During his career as a starter he has averaged 5.3 innings per start. During that period, the major league average for a starter was 5.2. I don't think most fans understan how much the game has changed in this regard. While we keep hoping to find starters who will give us 6 or 7 innings, those guys are extremely rare. SP is really hard to find and as currently constructed the Yankees have very little depth. We need Cortez to return to the pitcher he was in 2022 when he pitched well and averaged 5.6 innings per start. I don't think he moves to the pen nor should he. And yet you still ignore the elephant in the room . He never threw 100 innings in one season in the majors before 22 . And as hard as it is to find starting pitching since when is it a good idea to make what was a journey man reliever a full time starting pitcher ? Or maybe he follows the same path Monty did. Monty never pitched more than 157 innings as a Yankee. Cortez threw 158 in 2022. Since leaving he has thrown 178 and 188 in consecutive years. Cortez has low mileage on his arm, if he can return healthy, I'd rather have 150+ innings from him as a starter than seeing him relegated to a BP role. The Yankees are going to need at least 8 SPs this year, I think Cortez needs to be one of them. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 22, 2024 16:37:11 GMT -5
And yet you still ignore the elephant in the room . He never threw 100 innings in one season in the majors before 22 . And as hard as it is to find starting pitching since when is it a good idea to make what was a journey man reliever a full time starting pitcher ? Or maybe he follows the same path Monty did. Monty never pitched more than 157 innings as a Yankee. Cortez threw 158 in 2022. Since leaving he has thrown 178 and 188 in consecutive years. Cortez has low mileage on his arm, if he can return healthy, I'd rather have 150+ innings from him as a starter than seeing him relegated to a BP role. The Yankees are going to need at least 8 SPs this year, I think Cortez needs to be one of them. You need to check the stats and reread what i said . I said cortez never threw 100 innings in one season in the majors . Meanwhile monty threw over 150 innings twice as a yankee . Monty has always been a starter in the majors , cortez was a journeyman reliever who never even threw 100 innings in one season in the majors and i was supposed to believe he could be an every day starter than can physically handle that . Based on what ? Atleast monty backed up his ability to be an everyday starter so far . Cortez has yet to do that . Hence why i think he should be in the bp |
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Post by ypaterson on Jan 22, 2024 17:36:35 GMT -5
Having to warm more often and more quickly in bullpen situations puts more stress on your shoulder than the stable routine for a starter. Keep Nestor in the rotation...but don't expect him to make more than 24 starts or go more than 120 innings.
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