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Post by rizzuto on Jan 22, 2024 17:43:41 GMT -5
And yet you still ignore the elephant in the room . He never threw 100 innings in one season in the majors before 22 . And as hard as it is to find starting pitching since when is it a good idea to make what was a journey man reliever a full time starting pitcher ? Or maybe he follows the same path Monty did. Monty never pitched more than 157 innings as a Yankee. Cortez threw 158 in 2022. Since leaving he has thrown 178 and 188 in consecutive years. Cortez has low mileage on his arm, if he can return healthy, I'd rather have 150+ innings from him as a starter than seeing him relegated to a BP role. The Yankees are going to need at least 8 SPs this year, I think Cortez needs to be one of them. Cortes has 143 starts in both the major and the minor leagues, so someone in the Yankee universe thought he was capable of starting. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 22, 2024 18:23:46 GMT -5
Or maybe he follows the same path Monty did. Monty never pitched more than 157 innings as a Yankee. Cortez threw 158 in 2022. Since leaving he has thrown 178 and 188 in consecutive years. Cortez has low mileage on his arm, if he can return healthy, I'd rather have 150+ innings from him as a starter than seeing him relegated to a BP role. The Yankees are going to need at least 8 SPs this year, I think Cortez needs to be one of them. Cortes has 143 starts in both the major and the minor leagues, so someone in the Yankee universe thought he was capable of starting. Yeah and in the minors he wasnt effective enought to be a starter so they made him a reliever before bringing up and was a reliever until he came back . Laosigia was a starter in the minors too but would you make him a full time starter now ? No why ? For the same reason why i feel cortez should be in the bullpen now |
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Post by qimqam on Jan 22, 2024 18:42:11 GMT -5
Or maybe he follows the same path Monty did. Monty never pitched more than 157 innings as a Yankee. Cortez threw 158 in 2022. Since leaving he has thrown 178 and 188 in consecutive years. Cortez has low mileage on his arm, if he can return healthy, I'd rather have 150+ innings from him as a starter than seeing him relegated to a BP role. The Yankees are going to need at least 8 SPs this year, I think Cortez needs to be one of them. You need to check the stats and reread what i said . I said cortez never threw 100 innings in one season in the majors . Meanwhile monty threw over 150 innings twice as a yankee . Monty has always been a starter in the majors , cortez was a journeyman reliever who never even threw 100 innings in one season in the majors and i was supposed to believe he could be an every day starter than can physically handle that . Based on what ? Atleast monty backed up his ability to be an everyday starter so far . Cortez has yet to do that . Hence why i think he should be in the bp Uh OH ... Someone is starting to ramble again |
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Post by chiyankee on Jan 22, 2024 19:17:18 GMT -5
Chapman signs with the Pirates. He'll probably be traded by the 4th of July.
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 22, 2024 19:19:00 GMT -5
You need to check the stats and reread what i said . I said cortez never threw 100 innings in one season in the majors . Meanwhile monty threw over 150 innings twice as a yankee . Monty has always been a starter in the majors , cortez was a journeyman reliever who never even threw 100 innings in one season in the majors and i was supposed to believe he could be an every day starter than can physically handle that . Based on what ? Atleast monty backed up his ability to be an everyday starter so far . Cortez has yet to do that . Hence why i think he should be in the bp Uh OH ... Someone is starting to ramble again Excuses excuses . Cant come up with a better rebuttal |
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Post by qimqam on Jan 22, 2024 19:47:55 GMT -5
Looked at Cortez's stats on baseball reference. During his career as a starter he has averaged 5.3 innings per start. During that period, the major league average for a starter was 5.2. I don't think most fans understan how much the game has changed in this regard. While we keep hoping to find starters who will give us 6 or 7 innings, those guys are extremely rare. SP is really hard to find and as currently constructed the Yankees have very little depth. We need Cortez to return to the pitcher he was in 2022 when he pitched well and averaged 5.6 innings per start. I don't think he moves to the pen nor should he. And yet you still ignore the elephant in the room . He never threw 100 innings in one season in the majors before 22 . And as hard as it is to find starting pitching since when is it a good idea to make what was a journey man reliever a full time starting pitcher ? So many starters are converted relievers that I'm embarrassed to be responding to this. David Wells, Curt Schilling, Chris Sale are examples of relievers that became starters. A couple of other guys you might know Michael King and Clark Schmidt ... Hello!?!?!? |
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Post by inger on Jan 22, 2024 20:08:01 GMT -5
And yet you still ignore the elephant in the room . He never threw 100 innings in one season in the majors before 22 . And as hard as it is to find starting pitching since when is it a good idea to make what was a journey man reliever a full time starting pitcher ? So many starters are converted relievers that I'm embarrassed to be responding to this. David Wells, Curt Schilling, Chris Sale are examples of relievers that became starters. A couple of other guys you might know Michael King and Clark Schmidt ... Hello!?!?!? In most cases if a pitcher shows the ability to start that’s what his team will want out of him. Nestor was a high quality starter in 2022. That’s where I want him… period. If he breaks, he breaks… |
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Post by rizzuto on Jan 22, 2024 20:23:37 GMT -5
So many starters are converted relievers that I'm embarrassed to be responding to this. David Wells, Curt Schilling, Chris Sale are examples of relievers that became starters. A couple of other guys you might know Michael King and Clark Schmidt ... Hello!?!?!? In most cases if a pitcher shows the ability to start that’s what his team will want out of him. Nestor was a high quality starter in 2022. That’s where I want him… period. If he breaks, he breaks… Nestor started more than half the time in the minor leagues (122 games of which 67 were starts) with an overall ERA of 2.55. In the majors, he has started 56 of 104 games - much like his usage in the minor leagues. Nestor finished 8th in the Cy Young voting in 2022 with 28 starts in 28 games. In fact, in both the major leagues and the minor leagues, Nestor has not pitched in relief since July 23, 2021, against Boston, giving up three runs in two innings of work. Other than that one outing, he's been used exclusively as a starter since: 14 games to end 2021; 28 in 2022; and 14 in 2023 (two starts in the minor leagues and 12 in MLB). |
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Post by chiyankee on Jan 22, 2024 21:07:21 GMT -5
So many starters are converted relievers that I'm embarrassed to be responding to this. David Wells, Curt Schilling, Chris Sale are examples of relievers that became starters. A couple of other guys you might know Michael King and Clark Schmidt ... Hello!?!?!? In most cases if a pitcher shows the ability to start that’s what his team will want out of him. Nestor was a high quality starter in 2022. That’s where I want him… period. If he breaks, he breaks… Nestor made the All Star game as a starter in 2022. Plus, he lack of overpowering stuff doesn't play up as well in the bullpen. |
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Post by inger on Jan 22, 2024 21:26:11 GMT -5
Nestor is a starter. He starts. That’s what he does. I have a feeling that when his starting days are over if gets sent to the pen we’re going to see the end for him pretty soon, because it’s going to mean his arm is dead… forever…
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Post by rizzuto on Jan 22, 2024 21:47:48 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Jan 22, 2024 22:02:13 GMT -5
I want to wewlcome Mawcus Stwoman to da Yankees. Jawn, yaw gawnna wove him fa shawah… |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 22, 2024 22:09:04 GMT -5
In most cases if a pitcher shows the ability to start that’s what his team will want out of him. Nestor was a high quality starter in 2022. That’s where I want him… period. If he breaks, he breaks… Nestor made the All Star game as a starter in 2022. Plus, he lack of overpowering stuff doesn't play up as well in the bullpen. Thats one season and he went on the DL not long after that AS game . And then got hurt again in the alcs that year . |
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Post by inger on Jan 22, 2024 22:20:30 GMT -5
Nestor made the All Star game as a starter in 2022. Plus, he lack of overpowering stuff doesn't play up as well in the bullpen. Thats one season and he went on the DL not long after that AS game . And then got hurt again in the alcs that year . All of that is the history of what happened to him last year. It was an injury from which he wasn’t fully recovered from that set him back. So why not treat him like other starting pitchers and send him out in the rotation again to see if he bounces back? If he does, and he’s effective again, great. If not, thr do what needs to be done? Bullpen, release, trade, Whatever. Why dump him because of something you “think”?… |
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Post by kaybli on Jan 23, 2024 1:05:47 GMT -5
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