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Post by inger on Jun 16, 2019 23:03:40 GMT -5
If it’s not critical, then don’t bitch when the ball gets by him and two runs score... If his defense was this bad in the infield he would have been gone long ago which was my point. Defense matters more at certain positions than it does at others. Its hard to believe that the Yankees don't have a deal in mind when they traded for a player that meant they had no place to play Frazier. Black defense matters... |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 16, 2019 23:05:01 GMT -5
"Black defense"? what is that.
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Post by inger on Jun 16, 2019 23:09:26 GMT -5
"Black defense"? what is that. Black comedy... |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 16, 2019 23:17:13 GMT -5
Comedy sums it up. How do you play through high school and the minors and be that bad at OF defense? In what has to be one of the smaller fields to cover by MLB standards given the short porch.
He is a major league fielder. Supposedly
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Post by noetsi on Jun 16, 2019 23:24:23 GMT -5
I guess it was youth, but I don't understand Frazier's surprise. With Judge, Stanton and now the player who's name I will take a month to spell on the team where did he think he would end up. When he heard of the trade he should have started looking for where he was going to stay in the minors. The math is pretty basic.
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Post by yankees89 on Jun 16, 2019 23:32:11 GMT -5
I guess it was youth, but I don't understand Frazier's surprise. With Judge, Stanton and now the player who's name I will take a month to spell on the team where did he think he would end up. When he heard of the trade he should have started looking for where he was going to stay in the minors. The math is pretty basic. Pretty much. Honestly he probably should’ve seen the writing on the wall in the offseason when the Yankees extended Hicks. I guess maybe he had a chance to play 1st base since the answer for everyone with defensive problems is to switch to 1st base, but with Voit continuing to play well, that’s not even an option as this point. From the Yankees prospective, they need him to continue to play everyday and play well, and that can’t happen with the big club, so down he goes. I’m sure they would also like to get Bird back and playing AAA and playing well to use him in deals, but who knows what’s going on with him |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 16, 2019 23:38:11 GMT -5
I guess it was youth, but I don't understand Frazier's surprise. With Judge, Stanton and now the player who's name I will take a month to spell on the team where did he think he would end up. When he heard of the trade he should have started looking for where he was going to stay in the minors. The math is pretty basic. Pretty much. Honestly he probably should’ve seen the writing on the wall in the offseason when the Yankees extended Hicks. I guess maybe he had a chance to play 1st base since the answer for everyone with defensive problems is to switch to 1st base, but with Voit continuing to play well, that’s not even an option as this point. From the Yankees prospective, they need him to continue to play everyday and play well, and that can’t happen with the big club, so down he goes. I’m sure they would also like to get Bird back and playing AAA and playing well to use him in deals, but who knows what’s going on with him I think Bird's injuries and Voit mean even Bird will not be on the Yankees again. And Didi's return meant they already had too many infielders. I think the bottom line is that Frazier would not have been on the team without the injuries. He should be thankful for the tryout. I know its hard to see it that way when your demoted. Given that an elite team is probably not going to trade with us for Frazier he is likely going to end up on a bad team. I am not sure how well he will deal with that (I can't imagine it would be easy for anyone). |
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Post by bearman on Jun 17, 2019 11:11:28 GMT -5
Frazier helped a lot when we needed him most but as others have said there is no place for him now barring additional injuries. I doubt we could get much for him in a trade. He hit some home runs but struck out 1/3 of the time and seemed to have no knowledge of outfield defense. Feel sorry for him though.
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Post by inger on Jun 17, 2019 11:36:48 GMT -5
Frazier helped a lot when we needed him most but as others have said there is no place for him now barring additional injuries. I doubt we could get much for him in a trade. He hit some home runs but struck out 1/3 of the time and seemed to have no knowledge of outfield defense. Feel sorry for him though. I still see Frazier as a bit of an unknown quantity. He’s a guess hitter, who seems to decide to swing before the pitcher throws. Not only that, but he’s looking up or down and guessing the pitch. When he guesses right, he’s pretty successful. I believe most experienced MLB pitches will outthink him in the long run. In addition, he’s over-aggressive for his talent level and still has a long way to go to prove he can stay healthy year in year out. He’s not as bad in the field as he showed during that brief stretch this season, but he is below average, taking poor routes and attempting showboat catches (again, like the hitting, reaching beyond his abilities with recklessness). I would say he’ll settle down as he gets older, but at 27 he should already be there, or be very close. He also wears his emotions on his sleeve, which he can get away with in some cities better than he will in NY. He needs to be where he can grow his hair out and express himself without a microscope peering down at him. I hope he has a fine career... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 17, 2019 12:24:21 GMT -5
Frazier helped a lot when we needed him most but as others have said there is no place for him now barring additional injuries. I doubt we could get much for him in a trade. He hit some home runs but struck out 1/3 of the time and seemed to have no knowledge of outfield defense. Feel sorry for him though. I still see Frazier as a bit of an unknown quantity. He’s a guess hitter, who seems to decide to swing before the pitcher throws. Not only that, but he’s looking up or down and guessing the pitch. When he guesses right, he’s pretty successful. I believe most experienced MLB pitches will outthink him in the long run. In addition, he’s over-aggressive for his talent level and still has a long way to go to prove he can stay healthy year in year out. He’s not as bad in the field as he showed during that brief stretch this season, but he is below average, taking poor routes and attempting showboat catches (again, like the hitting, reaching beyond his abilities with recklessness). I would say he’ll settle down as he gets older, but at 27 he should already be there, or be very close. He also wears his emotions on his sleeve, which he can get away with in some cities better than he will in NY. He needs to be where he can grow his hair out and express himself without a microscope peering down at him. I hope he has a fine career... I believe Frazier is only 24, Inger. One of his problems is that there are a lot of corner OFers who have some pop and aren't great defensively. There is a place for those guys, even an important place, but the numbers crunch has for now caught up with him. Of course, there is also the apparently now set-in-stone idea that a team must have 13 pitchers. Which means under the way rosters are constructed, there is room for a Luis Cessa or a Jonathan Holder, but not a Clint Frazier. Or soon enough Cameron Maybin. Doesn't sound sensible to me, but it's where we are. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 17, 2019 12:28:30 GMT -5
Frazier helped a lot when we needed him most but as others have said there is no place for him now barring additional injuries. I doubt we could get much for him in a trade. He hit some home runs but struck out 1/3 of the time and seemed to have no knowledge of outfield defense. Feel sorry for him though. I still see Frazier as a bit of an unknown quantity. He’s a guess hitter, who seems to decide to swing before the pitcher throws. Not only that, but he’s looking up or down and guessing the pitch. When he guesses right, he’s pretty successful. I believe most experienced MLB pitches will outthink him in the long run. In addition, he’s over-aggressive for his talent level and still has a long way to go to prove he can stay healthy year in year out. He’s not as bad in the field as he showed during that brief stretch this season, but he is below average, taking poor routes and attempting showboat catches (again, like the hitting, reaching beyond his abilities with recklessness). I would say he’ll settle down as he gets older, but at 27 he should already be there, or be very close. He also wears his emotions on his sleeve, which he can get away with in some cities better than he will in NY. He needs to be where he can grow his hair out and express himself without a microscope peering down at him. I hope he has a fine career... Frazier is 24 years old, and he has a pretty low chase rate out of the zone. |
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Post by inger on Jun 17, 2019 13:16:45 GMT -5
Aggressive in the zone. Sorry.
I suppose at 24, he may still be able to mature a bit. Then again I’m married to a red head... so he may still remain either fiery or pouty as the situation demands...
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Post by greatfatness on Jun 17, 2019 13:53:02 GMT -5
Pretty much. Honestly he probably should’ve seen the writing on the wall in the offseason when the Yankees extended Hicks. I guess maybe he had a chance to play 1st base since the answer for everyone with defensive problems is to switch to 1st base, but with Voit continuing to play well, that’s not even an option as this point. From the Yankees prospective, they need him to continue to play everyday and play well, and that can’t happen with the big club, so down he goes. I’m sure they would also like to get Bird back and playing AAA and playing well to use him in deals, but who knows what’s going on with him I think Bird's injuries and Voit mean even Bird will not be on the Yankees again. And Didi's return meant they already had too many infielders. I think the bottom line is that Frazier would not have been on the team without the injuries. He should be thankful for the tryout. I know its hard to see it that way when your demoted. Given that an elite team is probably not going to trade with us for Frazier he is likely going to end up on a bad team. I am not sure how well he will deal with that (I can't imagine it would be easy for anyone). Greg Bird hasn’t been able to prove he can hit at the major league level for more than a short stretch or that he can stay healthy. No team would be counting on him for anything based on performance to date. If he can get healthy and produce at AAA maybe he earns a roster spot somewhere else. Big maybe. |
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Post by greatfatness on Jun 17, 2019 13:54:18 GMT -5
I guess it was youth, but I don't understand Frazier's surprise. With Judge, Stanton and now the player who's name I will take a month to spell on the team where did he think he would end up. When he heard of the trade he should have started looking for where he was going to stay in the minors. The math is pretty basic. His surprise was being sent down while Tauchman stays up but that is a sign of immaturity. He responded as though it was a statement or judgment on his value. |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 17, 2019 14:22:12 GMT -5
Tauchman is not staying up much longer than he is so I am not sure why it matters. I think he is getting sent to the minors now because they think he may be useful someday, grow in his ability, or they would not bother to send him there.
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