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Post by kaybli on Jun 16, 2019 17:20:36 GMT -5
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Post by greatfatness on Jun 16, 2019 17:24:44 GMT -5
He handled that as well as anyone could expect. Has to be tough for him. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 16, 2019 17:36:48 GMT -5
He has contributed with the bat, minus the miscues in the field. Bottom line, he has options remaining and Tauchman and Maybin can play all three outfield positions; however, they shall be gone when Stanton and Judge return. Frazier has to be one of the pieces to any trade - a young, controllable Major League ready bat for little expense. I have to wonder if the Yankees shall continue to exercise restraint, as all teams know that their starting rotation is problematic and will try to fleece them. Will they pull the trigger or hold out for the return of German, Severino and Montgomery?
I am not enthusiastic about Bumgarner. His OPS against in the sixth and seventh innings: .886 and 1.055. Granted, these are small sample sizes, but that only illustrates that he’s primarily a five-inning pitcher that can be stretched to six or more because it’s the National League and he gets an automatic out every time through the order. I suspect he’ll be another five-inning pitcher in the American League. Matthew Boyd is intriguing to me and Detroit desperately needs offense.
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Post by chiyankee on Jun 16, 2019 18:38:55 GMT -5
I would have kept Frazier for one more day and started him in RF tomorrow night, with Maybin as the reserve OF.
Going forward, this will be interesting to see what happens with Frazier, if they trade him, it better be for a high quality starting pitcher.
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 16, 2019 18:57:57 GMT -5
I would have kept Frazier for one more day and started him in RF tomorrow night, with Maybin as the reserve OF. Going forward, this will be interesting to see what happens with Frazier, if they trade him, it better be for a high quality starting pitcher. Running through the possible “sellers,” there is just not much quality available. And, since the Yankees are no longer in the salary dump-payout business, the right deal for a starting pitcher is much more difficult to achieve. |
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Post by utahyank on Jun 16, 2019 19:14:31 GMT -5
Just smelling the wind and guessing, but I think Clint does not figure in the Yankees longer range plans....fortunately he has been productive, so he ought to fetch a good return in a trade. The original clubs often have an interest in former players, and maybe Cleveland wants Frazier back....it's hard to guess what Cashman will do, but it seems obvious that a good starter is needed, and Frazier could be expendable.....Estrada looked like a ML player in his stint this season....I'm not going to try to be Karl, but a talent package the equivalent of Frazier, Estrada, and Mike Ford should get serious consideration for a very good pitcher in return....or not.
I think that's too much for a guy like Stroman...and maybe it would not be enough for Trevor Bauer...but he's the best I have heard may be available...
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Post by greatfatness on Jun 16, 2019 19:18:27 GMT -5
Just smelling the wind and guessing, but I think Clint does not figure in the Yankees longer range plans....fortunately he has been productive, so he ought to fetch a good return in a trade. The original clubs often have an interest in former players, and maybe Cleveland wants Frazier back....it's hard to guess what Cashman will do, but it seems obvious that a good starter is needed, and Frazier could be expendable.....Estrada looked like a ML player in his stint this season....I'm not going to try to be Karl, but a talent package the equivalent of Frazier, Estrada, and Mike Ford should get serious consideration for a very good pitcher in return....or not. I think that's too much for a guy like Stroman...and maybe it would not be enough for Trevor Bauer...but he's the best I have heard may be available... Given that Frazier has shown himself to be a really terrible fielder I don’t think he merits any decent pitcher even up. But Frazier plus a couple of other prospects probably gets them a quality starter. |
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Post by greatfatness on Jun 16, 2019 19:19:12 GMT -5
He has contributed with the bat, minus the miscues in the field. Bottom line, he has options remaining and Tauchman and Maybin can play all three outfield positions; however, they shall be gone when Stanton and Judge return. Frazier has to be one of the pieces to any trade - a young, controllable Major League ready bat for little expense. I have to wonder if the Yankees shall continue to exercise restraint, as all teams know that their starting rotation is problematic and will try to fleece them. Will they pull the trigger or hold out for the return of German, Severino and Montgomery? I am not enthusiastic about Bumgarner. His OPS against in the sixth and seventh innings: .886 and 1.055. Granted, these are small sample sizes, but that only illustrates that he’s primarily a five-inning pitcher that can be stretched to six or more because it’s the National League and he gets an automatic out every time through the order. I suspect he’ll be another five-inning pitcher in the American League. Matthew Boyd is intriguing to me and Detroit desperately needs offense. I like Boyd and Stroman more than Bumgarner. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jun 16, 2019 19:31:04 GMT -5
Bauer would be my first choice followed by Stroman & Boyd. I don't trust most NL pitchers.
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Post by inger on Jun 16, 2019 19:40:30 GMT -5
Bauer would be my first choice followed by Stroman & Boyd. I don't trust most NL pitchers. Danny Duffy and Mike Leake seem to be perpetually available. I think Duffy may be injured right now though. John Means is surprising in Baltimore, Tanner Roark is okay in Cincy. Beyond those guys you get into some pretty pricey pieces in Washington and the Mets. I don’t think Bauer is going anywhere, though I could be wrong. All of the other pitchers on that staff except for Bieber are on the shelf... |
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 16, 2019 20:52:27 GMT -5
Bauer would be my first choice followed by Stroman & Boyd. I don't trust most NL pitchers. Bauer is the best innings eater, that’s for sure. He’s had some trouble with command this season, walking far too many and he’s a bit of a head-case. Cleveland needs outfield bats, but they are also still in the playoff hunt. Stroman is primarily a sinker ball pitcher, which is good for Yankee stadium and he would benefit from the Yankees’ infield defense. Because Stroman has another year of control, he’ll cost more in prospects. Stroman is quick as a cat off the mound and a really good athlete, but he’s only 5’7” or 5’8” and I worry about his stability, as he’s had shoulder problems previously. He’s always struck me as a bit volatile emotionally, and I wonder how he would perform in New York in a pennant race. Boyd has figured out how to pitch with his stuff, and I like his poise on the mound. He’s not overpowering, depending more on location and movement. The downside is he’s more of a fly ball pitcher, like Happ. But, he’s pitching much more effectively this season and the second half of last season. All three are 28 years old. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jun 16, 2019 21:21:55 GMT -5
Bauer would be my first choice followed by Stroman & Boyd. I don't trust most NL pitchers. Bauer is the best innings eater, that’s for sure. He’s had some trouble with command this season, walking far too many and he’s a bit of a head-case. Cleveland needs outfield bats, but they are also still in the playoff hunt. Stroman is primarily a sinker ball pitcher, which is good for Yankee stadium and he would benefit from the Yankees’ infield defense. Because Stroman has another year of control, he’ll cost more in prospects. Stroman is quick as a cat off the mound and a really good athlete, but he’s only 5’7” or 5’8” and I worry about his stability, as he’s had shoulder problems previously. He’s always struck me as a bit volatile emotionally, and I wonder how he would perform in New York in a pennant race. Boyd has figured out how to pitch with his stuff, and I like his poise on the mound. He’s not overpowering, depending more on location and movement. The downside is he’s more of a fly ball pitcher, like Happ. But, he’s pitching much more effectively this season and the second half of last season. All three are 28 years old. Nice breakdown. Maybe the Yankee's best hope is to get Sevy healthy and have Paxton & Tanaka pitch like they're expected and Happ to stop giving up so many long balls? |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 16, 2019 21:40:22 GMT -5
Being a bad fielder (in the OF) may not be that critical. And he could play DH. There won't be any room for him, something that was probably obvious to him once the deal was made to bring a home run leader here.
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Post by inger on Jun 16, 2019 21:48:28 GMT -5
Being a bad fielder (in the OF) may not be that critical. And he could play DH. There won't be any room for him, something that was probably obvious to him once the deal was made to bring a home run leader here. If it’s not critical, then don’t bitch when the ball gets by him and two runs score... |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 16, 2019 22:54:54 GMT -5
Being a bad fielder (in the OF) may not be that critical. And he could play DH. There won't be any room for him, something that was probably obvious to him once the deal was made to bring a home run leader here. If it’s not critical, then don’t bitch when the ball gets by him and two runs score... If his defense was this bad in the infield he would have been gone long ago which was my point. Defense matters more at certain positions than it does at others. Its hard to believe that the Yankees don't have a deal in mind when they traded for a player that meant they had no place to play Frazier. |
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