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Post by sierchio on Jun 18, 2018 2:20:23 GMT -5
I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I see Andujar as a Castro type hitter with slightly more power. Hopefully he'll put in more of Castro's better seasons (190 ish hits) but I don't see him developing patience at the plate with how good he is at making contact even on bad pitches. I see Drury as being a better defensive player with a better eye at the plate now that his visions fixed. And with the same power potential as Andujar. Neither one of them will be MACHADO but with the price tag.. I'd take either one over Machado. I'd like to see either Andujar or Drury traded as part of package for a pitcher and believe Andujar is rated more highly right now due to him being in the majors. I'd trade Andujar straight up to rent Corbin if that deal was on the table...
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Post by gowin on Jun 18, 2018 7:07:06 GMT -5
There are some initial numbers that seem to point to Andujar being the better hitter (compared to Starlin Castro) as measured not by just results but by using contact and quality of contact data.
- Castro so far this season has been a very average hitter in terms of both contact and quality of contact (303 batted balls): Castro has shown a slightly above average chase rate (out of the zone rate) at 32.6% with an average contact rate in the zone of 89.3% and a below average contact rate on pitches out of the zone (61.5%). He has barreled the ball at a very average rate of 5.5% with a 33.9% hard hit rate. This has translated into an exit velocity of 88.0mph which is very in line with MLB averages.
- Andujar on the other side has been well above average (171 batted balls): it is true that he chases more than average (36.4%; almost 4pp more than Castro), but he more than compensates with much better contact both out of the zone (65.7%, more than 4pp better) and a well above average contact rate in the zone of 91.3%, 2pp better). Andujar has not only made more contact, but of much better quality. His barrel rate has been 9.5% (a bit less than double Castro) with a hard hit rate of 43.5% (almost 10pp more than Castro). The result has been a well above average exit velocity of 91.0mph a full 3 mph better than Castro. That’s in well above average territory.
If we compare the end result in terms of the triple slash line, Castro is barring 277 / 326 / 385, which is not that different from his career 281 / 320 / 411. On the other side Andujar is slashing an impressive 293 / 321 / 518. The above numbers support that Andujar’s better results are not a result of luck but he just seems to be able to generate much better contact rates with greater quality of contact. Only time will tell if these numbers will be sustained. But at least early indications are encouraging.
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Post by kaybli on Jun 18, 2018 7:59:16 GMT -5
Great analysis of the numbers, gowin. For his career Castro has been very mediocre, just about average as an offensive player. No idea why you are comparing him to Andujar, sierch. No one in the organization values him this way. Cashman said he wouldn't even include him in a trade for deGrom. If he's gonna be Castro might as well trade him now while his value is high.
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Post by kaybli on Jun 18, 2018 8:06:41 GMT -5
I'd trade Andujar straight up to rent Corbin if that deal was on the table... I just saw this. That would be a terrible deal. In 3 of the last 4 games Corbin has surrendered 16 ER in 17.1 IP. He gave up 5 ER to the lowly Mets offense. He has a career ERA over 4 in the NL. Andujar could be a cornerstone piece for years. He shouldn't be traded away for a rental, let alone Corbin. |
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Post by inger on Jun 18, 2018 11:46:57 GMT -5
I'd trade Andujar straight up to rent Corbin if that deal was on the table... I just saw this. That would be a terrible deal. In 3 of the last 4 games Corbin has surrendered 16 ER in 17.1 IP. He gave up 5 ER to the lowly Mets offense. He has a career ERA over 4 in the NL. Andujar could be a cornerstone piece for years. He shouldn't be traded away for a rental, let alone Corbin. If I didn't know better, I'd think Sierchio was drinking again after reading this series. Corbin has far exceeded expectations this season, but I wouldn't count on that continuing. Andjuar for a Corbin rental is way out of the picture...We must remember that Robinson Cano had a similar OPS in MiLB to what Andujar produced. (Of course, as we found out later, Robby couldn't get "the good stuff" until he hooked up with A-Rod...minor leaguers don't have access to that, it's expensive)...
I like Drury a lot. I think he may be as good or better than Andujar. I agree that one of them can go for a really good pitcher, and I'm not too particular which one goes. I am a bit more enamored with Andujar because I think his youthful potential is greater...But in the end, the head must overrule the heart in these matters...Andujar will bring back the kind of pitcher we need. Drury will not. Either player is a risk. One is young, so the future is always in question. The other has an illness history that could come back and bite us...
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Post by sierchio on Jun 18, 2018 13:02:27 GMT -5
Lol damn I'm getting killed by everyone on here
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Post by kaybli on Jun 18, 2018 13:38:37 GMT -5
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Post by sierchio on Jun 18, 2018 13:48:31 GMT -5
Think he'll stay up this time with Gardy nursing an injury?
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Post by sierchio on Jun 18, 2018 13:52:23 GMT -5
Ronald Torreyes optioned to make room for Frazier
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Post by kaybli on Jun 18, 2018 13:56:27 GMT -5
I just saw this. That would be a terrible deal. In 3 of the last 4 games Corbin has surrendered 16 ER in 17.1 IP. He gave up 5 ER to the lowly Mets offense. He has a career ERA over 4 in the NL. Andujar could be a cornerstone piece for years. He shouldn't be traded away for a rental, let alone Corbin. If I didn't know better, I'd think Sierchio was drinking again after reading this series.
I was gonna reference his concussion by door after reading his Andujar for Corbin trade idea but thought it would be a cheap shot.  |
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Post by sierchio on Jun 18, 2018 14:27:46 GMT -5
Haha thanks Kay.
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Post by inger on Jun 18, 2018 17:30:35 GMT -5
If I didn't know better, I'd think Sierchio was drinking again after reading this series.
I was gonna reference his concussion by door after reading his Andujar for Corbin trade idea but thought it would be a cheap shot. Nothing wrong with cheap shots...right??? Lol... |
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Post by uehara1 on Jun 20, 2018 16:23:20 GMT -5
Think he'll stay up this time with Gardy nursing an injury? Gardner always seems to wear down in the second half. With Frazier around, I am kinda hoping that the Yanks and Gardner find a convenient pain that isn't serious, but justifies Gardner getting a rest for about two weeks and let Frazier play. I would rather the Yanks have a fresher Gardner in October than have him push hard in August. I also think that the Yanks owe it to themselves to find out what they have in Frazier. It appears to me that Cashman got cold feet in March on the plan to let Torres and Andujar take 2B and 3B respectively, and made moves that in retrospect he might not have needed to make. I think that if Frazier gets the ABs he needs and proves he is ML ready, the Yanks can go into 2019 with Frazier as the new LF and not play around with Stanton out there anymore (he is just TERRIBLE in LF). |
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Post by utahyank on Jun 20, 2018 17:44:51 GMT -5
Think he'll stay up this time with Gardy nursing an injury? Gardner always seems to wear down in the second half. With Frazier around, I am kinda hoping that the Yanks and Gardner find a convenient pain that isn't serious, but justifies Gardner getting a rest for about two weeks and let Frazier play. I would rather the Yanks have a fresher Gardner in October than have him push hard in August. I also think that the Yanks owe it to themselves to find out what they have in Frazier. It appears to me that Cashman got cold feet in March on the plan to let Torres and Andujar take 2B and 3B respectively, and made moves that in retrospect he might not have needed to make. I think that if Frazier gets the ABs he needs and proves he is ML ready, the Yanks can go into 2019 with Frazier as the new LF and not play around with Stanton out there anymore (he is just TERRIBLE in LF). right on, Uehara....I would give Frazier 2-3 weeks of steady play...it will be clear during that stretch if he is overmatched at this level or ready for possible stardom....this is the point in the season to do that.... |
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Post by chiyankee on Jun 22, 2018 14:00:06 GMT -5
Gardner always seems to wear down in the second half. With Frazier around, I am kinda hoping that the Yanks and Gardner find a convenient pain that isn't serious, but justifies Gardner getting a rest for about two weeks and let Frazier play. I would rather the Yanks have a fresher Gardner in October than have him push hard in August. I also think that the Yanks owe it to themselves to find out what they have in Frazier. It appears to me that Cashman got cold feet in March on the plan to let Torres and Andujar take 2B and 3B respectively, and made moves that in retrospect he might not have needed to make. I think that if Frazier gets the ABs he needs and proves he is ML ready, the Yanks can go into 2019 with Frazier as the new LF and not play around with Stanton out there anymore (he is just TERRIBLE in LF). right on, Uehara....I would give Frazier 2-3 weeks of steady play...it will be clear during that stretch if he is overmatched at this level or ready for possible stardom....this is the point in the season to do that.... I also think it's time for Cashman to cut bait on Walker. He got him cheap in the off season but there's really no room for him on this roster anymore and he's blocking a major league spot that could go to a better player. Try to trade him and if that doesn't work, just eat the rest of the contract and release him. |
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