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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 13, 2024 12:49:42 GMT -5
Cashman gets a lot more freedom than most gms do . In fact almost no GM would survive the crap cashman has over the years .
That's not a fact, that's your opinion. Big difference.
Cashman is still the GM because the Yankees for the large majority of the time over the last 25 years since Cashman has been their GM have been a good team and world series contenders.
Lol they havent been a ws contender in almost 15 years . In fact they are currently in their second longest ws appearance drought since they been called the yankees . And that is accomplished during cashman’s tenure as GM |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jan 13, 2024 12:53:09 GMT -5
You are right but this thread is about cashman and how he has been as GM . Its not about hal at all .
You're the one that brought up Hal, and George too. I've never understood the budget defense for Cash. Maybe Hal hasn't always raised his budget by the same percentage as other teams but the Yankees are always amongst the highest payrolled Teams in the League. I haven't taken the time to do this but I'm sure if you went back 10 or 20 years, very few, if any teams have outspent the Yankees. To me it sometimes feels that some fans don't believe the payroll dollars already committed before a season starts count. I very much understood when Hal brought up the point that he was outspending teams that were beating him and then to add insult to injury he was giving them LT money at the end of the year. In one regard I can relate to Cash. I think the market has really gone crazy the last couple years and there are probably more teams than just the Yankees and Dodgers competing for the top FAs. I do sense that at times his budget for a top player falls a little short of where the market is and then he seems to pivot to what feels like a better value but a lesser player. One question I have always asked myself is how successful would Cash be if he were on a team with half the budget of the Yankees and he wasn't able to cover up his mistakes by throwing money at they. I suspect he would have to become more risk averse. |
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Post by inger on Jan 13, 2024 12:54:12 GMT -5
That's not a fact, that's your opinion. Big difference.
Cashman is still the GM because the Yankees for the large majority of the time over the last 25 years since Cashman has been their GM have been a good team and world series contenders.
Lol they havent been a ws contender in almost 15 years . In fact they are currently in their second longest ws appearance drought since they been called the yankees . And that is accomplished during cashman’s tenure as GM To be fair it’s much tougher to get into the WS these days with the layers of playoffs, so it’s difficult to compare the eras that must be rolled into a statement like that. But to be fair to you, other teams are getting in, and getting in and winning is still the ultimate goal… |
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Post by Max on Jan 13, 2024 12:55:22 GMT -5
For a long time, I defended Cashman, but the trades at the 2021 and 2022 deadlines were highly questionable. For me, the Montas trade was the final straw. Even if none of the pitchers traded to the A's makes it big, they traded for a pitcher whose health was an extreme risk, and they got less than nothing for 3 viable pitching prospects. I now think that after 25 years in charge of the organization, the Yankees need another man's philosophy/vision in charge of the team. As Robert Kraft concluded earlier this week, sports is a bottom line business. Despite the history the past decade disappointed Yankee fans. Bellichick did not win without Brady and Cashman did not win without Jeter. Time to move on.
Apples and oranges.
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Post by Max on Jan 13, 2024 12:58:38 GMT -5
Even Yankee fans forget that though the 2009 team had the infusion of Teixeira and Sabathia, and ARod finally getting a big hit in the playoffs, the 2009 Championship team was led in WAR by Derek Jeter. Mo finished every World Series game win, and Pettitte won twice as the starting pitcher. And, Posada was behind the plate. Great points. IMO Cashman's biggest failure as GM concerns his handling of the guys responsibile for the success of the Yankees during his tenure. As Joe Torres observed, he did not understand the human side of baseball. At times I thought that Cashman could not wait for the "Core" guys to leave to build his won team. And after 2004 I think Cashman developed a serious case of "Theo" envy. But I cannot prove any of that. It was Cashman that brought Pettitte back to the Yankees. Along with Tex, Sabathia, and Burnett which allowed the Yankees to make the postseason in the first place. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 13, 2024 12:59:32 GMT -5
Lol they havent been a ws contender in almost 15 years . In fact they are currently in their second longest ws appearance drought since they been called the yankees . And that is accomplished during cashman’s tenure as GM To be fair it’s much tougher to get into the WS these days with the layers of playoffs, so it’s difficult to compare the eras that must be rolled into a statement like that. But to be fair to you, other teams are getting in, and getting in and winning is still the ultimate goal… That is true but the astros , dodgers and redsox have made it to multiple ws in the last 14 years while the yankees have been to none so far . |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 13, 2024 13:00:21 GMT -5
Great points. IMO Cashman's biggest failure as GM concerns his handling of the guys responsibile for the success of the Yankees during his tenure. As Joe Torres observed, he did not understand the human side of baseball. At times I thought that Cashman could not wait for the "Core" guys to leave to build his won team. And after 2004 I think Cashman developed a serious case of "Theo" envy. But I cannot prove any of that. It was Cashman that brought Pettitte back to the Yankees. Along with Tex, Sabathia, and Burnett which allowed the Yankees to make the postseason in the first place. So now you are praising cashman for spending george’s money ? Lol wow |
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Post by Max on Jan 13, 2024 13:02:22 GMT -5
Actually he's wrong. Cashman added key players to the Yankees dynasty teams. If you want to rightfully blame Cashman for some mistakes, that's fair. He's not perfect, neither was Watson, George, or Gene Michael. But at least be fair and give Cashman the credit he deserves. I know some posters on here and some people off line that aren't fans of Cashman, but at least they give him credit for the right move he's made.
Maybe I can get an answer from you...Tell me..Who's won more world series since Cashman's been the Yankees GM?
I answered the question several times i wont answer again . Especially when cashman had little to nothing to do with them . But here is a question i got for you . How many ws have the yankees been to since cashman got full control back in 03 or 04?
You didn't answer it not even once. Cashman got full control in 1998.
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 13, 2024 13:04:15 GMT -5
I answered the question several times i wont answer again . Especially when cashman had little to nothing to do with them . But here is a question i got for you . How many ws have the yankees been to since cashman got full control back in 03 or 04?
You didn't answer it not even once. Cashman got full control in 1998.
No , cashman got full control in 05 . bleacherreport.com/articles/347290-new-york-yankees-cashman-in-complete-control |
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Post by Max on Jan 13, 2024 13:05:59 GMT -5
That's not a fact, that's your opinion. Big difference.
Cashman is still the GM because the Yankees for the large majority of the time over the last 25 years since Cashman has been their GM have been a good team and world series contenders.
Lol they havent been a ws contender in almost 15 years . In fact they are currently in their second longest ws appearance drought since they been called the yankees . And that is accomplished during cashman’s tenure as GM
If a team is in the postseason, they are WS contenders. The 2023 Diamondbacks should have told you that.
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Post by inger on Jan 13, 2024 13:06:29 GMT -5
You're the one that brought up Hal, and George too. I've never understood the budget defense for Cash. Maybe Hal hasn't always raised his budget by the same percentage as other teams but the Yankees are always amongst the highest payrolled Teams in the League. I haven't taken the time to do this but I'm sure if you went back 10 or 20 years, very few, if any teams have outspent the Yankees. To me it sometimes feels that some fans don't believe the payroll dollars already committed before a season starts count. I very much understood when Hal brought up the point that he was outspending teams that were beating him and then to add insult to injury he was giving them LT money at the end of the year. In one regard I can relate to Cash. I think the market has really gone crazy the last couple years and there are probably more teams than just the Yankees and Dodgers competing for the top FAs. I do sense that at times his budget for a top player falls a little short of where the market is and then he seems to pivot to what feels like a better value but a lesser player. One question I have always asked myself is how successful would Cash be if he were on a team with half the budget of the Yankees and he wasn't able to cover up his mistakes by throwing money at they. I suspect he would have to become more risk averse. I’ve defended him because of the budget constraints before. I guess in my case I know that the Yanks always seem to have a budget albatross or two on the roster, be it Stanton, Donaldson, Ellsbury. I’m not sure who to lay the blame on for that. I know in the old days George would publicly scream “Get me this guy” and then they’d get him. I don’t know if Hal is quietly whispering those things or not. I guess other teams have an albatross around as well. You are correct that the Yanks always have a big budget. It seems they have to just to get (some) players to want to play in NY. The expenses are higher there, although I wonder why it matters how much an apartment costs when they’re making $20M per year, but it apparently does. The NY budget needs to be higher too because the Yanks tend to not get early draft picks because they’re always near the top of the standings and they don’t do resets like Tampa and other teams. So that’s where I’ve been coming from as a budget sympathizer at least. Maybe that helps? … |
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Post by Max on Jan 13, 2024 13:07:47 GMT -5
It was Cashman that brought Pettitte back to the Yankees. Along with Tex, Sabathia, and Burnett which allowed the Yankees to make the postseason in the first place. So now you are praising cashman for spending george’s money ? Lol wow
Wow what? Try not to "lol" so hard. Because here's some breaking news for you...GM's spend their owner's money.
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Post by Max on Jan 13, 2024 13:11:13 GMT -5
Seems like you don't understand the meaning of the article's title. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 13, 2024 13:14:58 GMT -5
Seems like you don't understand the meaning of the article's title. And you dont understand what full control is . Since everyone and their mother knows from 98 to 04 that it was mostly george that made the final decisions not cashman . And it was a condition cashman made for his return as gm in 05 . |
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Post by inger on Jan 13, 2024 13:15:05 GMT -5
Lol they havent been a ws contender in almost 15 years . In fact they are currently in their second longest ws appearance drought since they been called the yankees . And that is accomplished during cashman’s tenure as GM
If a team is in the postseason, they are WS contenders. The 2023 Diamondbacks should have told you that.
Yep. Once you’re in it’s a brand new mini season. Everybody has the the odds of being the 1 team out of 16 to win the WS. I hear criticisms all the time that the Yanks are built to win the regular season, but not built to win the playoffs, which sounds ludicrous to me. You’re either built to win or not. So with each team in the playoffs having a 6.3% chance of winning, all things being equal, you should expect to win once every 16 times you make the playoffs in the long run. It’s more about being healthy and happening to get hot at the right time than having the best team. Baseball is a sport of ebbs and flows, hot and cold streaks, more so than any other sport… |
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