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Post by themartian on Feb 2, 2024 16:40:33 GMT -5
And which team went nuts this off season?
They were able to do that because of the deferred contract that Ohtani signed. Who else was offering him 700 million guaranteed? Is that a small market kind of contract? Who else was offering Yamamoto a 50 million signing bonus? Is that a small market kind of contract? They've also added Heyward, Paxton and Hernandez. If he decides to keep playing they will most likely add Kershaw as well. So I would have to disagree that one of the top spending teams, that has committed over 1 billion to free agents this year, was acting like a small market team when they let Seager walk. They made a baseball decision to go with Lux and spend big elsewhere. Just like the Yankees may do with Gleyber (possibly for Soto). |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 2, 2024 16:43:12 GMT -5
They were able to do that because of the deferred contract that Ohtani signed. Who else was offering him 700 million guaranteed? Is that a small market kind of contract? Who else was offering Yamamoto a 50 million signing bonus? Is that a small market kind of contract? They've also added Heyward, Paxton and Hernandez. If he decides to keep playing they will most likely add Kershaw as well. So I would have to disagree that one of the top spending teams, that has committed over 1 billion to free agents this year, was acting like a small market team when they let Seager walk. They made a baseball decision to go with Lux and spend big elsewhere. Just like the Yankees may do with Gleyber (possibly for Soto). They also got glasnow too . Deferred or not the dodgers went nuts this off season |
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Post by themartian on Feb 2, 2024 17:00:04 GMT -5
Who else was offering him 700 million guaranteed? Is that a small market kind of contract? Who else was offering Yamamoto a 50 million signing bonus? Is that a small market kind of contract? They've also added Heyward, Paxton and Hernandez. If he decides to keep playing they will most likely add Kershaw as well. So I would have to disagree that one of the top spending teams, that has committed over 1 billion to free agents this year, was acting like a small market team when they let Seager walk. They made a baseball decision to go with Lux and spend big elsewhere. Just like the Yankees may do with Gleyber (possibly for Soto). They also got glasnow too . Deferred or not the dodgers went nuts this off season Yep and extended him at just over 9 figures. |
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Post by Max on Feb 2, 2024 17:50:42 GMT -5
They were able to do that because of the deferred contract that Ohtani signed. Who else was offering him 700 million guaranteed? Is that a small market kind of contract? Who else was offering Yamamoto a 50 million signing bonus? Is that a small market kind of contract? They've also added Heyward, Paxton and Hernandez. If he decides to keep playing they will most likely add Kershaw as well. So I would have to disagree that one of the top spending teams, that has committed over 1 billion to free agents this year, was acting like a small market team when they let Seager walk. They made a baseball decision to go with Lux and spend big elsewhere. Just like the Yankees may do with Gleyber (possibly for Soto). Wow. Once again, I don't know what post you're reading. But that's a lot of questions, and no real answers. Since I never said that the Dodgers are a small market team nor did I say that they are acting like a small market team. |
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Post by Max on Feb 2, 2024 17:56:45 GMT -5
Who else was offering him 700 million guaranteed? Is that a small market kind of contract? Who else was offering Yamamoto a 50 million signing bonus? Is that a small market kind of contract? They've also added Heyward, Paxton and Hernandez. If he decides to keep playing they will most likely add Kershaw as well. So I would have to disagree that one of the top spending teams, that has committed over 1 billion to free agents this year, was acting like a small market team when they let Seager walk. They made a baseball decision to go with Lux and spend big elsewhere. Just like the Yankees may do with Gleyber (possibly for Soto). They also got glasnow too . Deferred or not the dodgers went nuts this off season There is no "not." It actually happened. Ohtani's did sign a deferred contract, which helped the Dodgers with the L-Tax and allowed them to make a lot more moves. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 2, 2024 18:03:01 GMT -5
They also got glasnow too . Deferred or not the dodgers went nuts this off season There is no "not." It actually happened. Ohtani's did sign a deferred contract, which helped the Dodgers with the L-Tax and allowed them to make a lot more moves. Missing the point again . The point is that the dodgers went nuts this off season , who gives a flip if they deferred some of it ? |
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Post by azbob643 on Feb 2, 2024 18:14:16 GMT -5
Gleyber's arm strength was doubtful to my eye test, but then Inger shared some ratings on here a few weeks ago purporting otherwise. You may be correct that they were from Gleyber's earlier years in the minor leagues. That 75.9 MPH is not what you want at third. I also saw that DJ LeMahieu was at 84.3, not bad at this point in his career. 85.8 MPH Arm strength last 3 Yankee 3Bs...DJ LeMahieu - 79.7 MPH Gio Urshela - 80.5 MPH Josh Donaldson - 82.1 MPH |
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Post by Max on Feb 2, 2024 18:27:05 GMT -5
There is no "not." It actually happened. Ohtani's did sign a deferred contract, which helped the Dodgers with the L-Tax and allowed them to make a lot more moves. Missing the point again . The point is that the dodgers went nuts this off season , who gives a flip if they deferred some of it ? I didn't miss the point the first time, let alone again. Ohtani's contract played a role in the Dodgers being able to make so many expensive moves. Do you deny that? As for who gives a flip? The Dodgers do, since they were the ones to offer Ohtani that kind of contract. |
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Post by themartian on Feb 2, 2024 20:01:42 GMT -5
Gleyber's arm strength was doubtful to my eye test, but then Inger shared some ratings on here a few weeks ago purporting otherwise. You may be correct that they were from Gleyber's earlier years in the minor leagues. That 75.9 MPH is not what you want at third. I also saw that DJ LeMahieu was at 84.3, not bad at this point in his career. 85.8 MPH Arm strength last 3 Yankee 3Bs...DJ LeMahieu - 79.7 MPH Gio Urshela - 80.5 MPH Josh Donaldson - 82.1 MPH One, that's from 2020/2021. Two, you still have to make strong throws on close plays from 2b, and that is all that gets counted by baseball savant. His strong throws averaged 75 MPH in 2023, ie the present. Josh Donaldson and DJLM are much older players, what were their numbers like at age 26? They are also both far rangier than Gleyber, even at their advanced ages. Gio is also much rangier. And saying that other players don't have great arms doesn't make Gleyber's any better. Kim from the Padres will also be a free agent and he averaged over 90 MPH on his throws from 3b. Peraza averaged 88.2. Gleyber has a weak arm no matter how you slice it. |
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Post by azbob643 on Feb 2, 2024 20:10:18 GMT -5
Gleyber's arm strength from SS (when he had to make strong throws)...85.8 MPH Arm strength last 3 Yankee 3Bs...DJ LeMahieu - 79.7 MPH Gio Urshela - 80.5 MPH Josh Donaldson - 82.1 MPH One, that's from 2020/2021. Two, you still have to make strong throws on close plays from 2b, and that is all that gets counted by baseball savant. His strong throws averaged 75 MPH in 2023, ie the present. Josh Donaldson and DJLM are much older players, what were their numbers like at age 26? They are also both far rangier than Gleyber, even at their advanced ages. Gio is also much rangier. And saying that other players don't have great arms doesn't make Gleyber's any better. Kim from the Padres will also be a free agent and he averaged over 90 MPH on his throws from 3b. Peraza averaged 88.2. Gleyber has a weak arm no matter how you slice it. LOL...classic "GianDonEtc" response. Still pathetically lazy, after all these years... |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 2, 2024 20:12:29 GMT -5
Missing the point again . The point is that the dodgers went nuts this off season , who gives a flip if they deferred some of it ? I didn't miss the point the first time, let alone again. Ohtani's contract played a role in the Dodgers being able to make so many expensive moves. Do you deny that? As for who gives a flip? The Dodgers do, since they were the ones to offer Ohtani that kind of contract. Yeah you missed the point . The point is the dodgers went nuts this off season . Them deferring one contract out of all the contracts they gave out this off season, doesnt change that. And the other point you went off track on was king . The convo was about how the yankees would have used king . Not how the padres will be using him |
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Post by themartian on Feb 2, 2024 20:27:32 GMT -5
One, that's from 2020/2021. Two, you still have to make strong throws on close plays from 2b, and that is all that gets counted by baseball savant. His strong throws averaged 75 MPH in 2023, ie the present. Josh Donaldson and DJLM are much older players, what were their numbers like at age 26? They are also both far rangier than Gleyber, even at their advanced ages. Gio is also much rangier. And saying that other players don't have great arms doesn't make Gleyber's any better. Kim from the Padres will also be a free agent and he averaged over 90 MPH on his throws from 3b. Peraza averaged 88.2. Gleyber has a weak arm no matter how you slice it. LOL...classic "GianDonEtc" response. Still pathetically lazy, after all these years... No need to get upset and personal. I see you've already abandoned the baseball argument which doesn't surprise me. Pounding the table isn't an argument. |
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Post by azbob643 on Feb 2, 2024 20:32:40 GMT -5
Gleyber's arm strength from SS (when he had to make strong throws)...85.8 MPH Arm strength last 3 Yankee 3Bs...DJ LeMahieu - 79.7 MPH Gio Urshela - 80.5 MPH Josh Donaldson - 82.1 MPH Two, you still have to make strong throws on close plays from 2b, and that is all that gets counted by baseball savant. His strong throws averaged 75 MPH in 2023, ie the present. Gleyber has a weak arm no matter how you slice it. When was the last time a hitter beat the throw on a groundball to 2B? More specifically, when has a hitter beat the throw to 1B on a groundball to Gleyber? Weak arm?Chapman (Toronto) – 89.2 MPH Garcia (Kansas City) – 87.8 MPH Gleyber (New York) -85.8 MPH (SS)Devers (Boston) – 84.8 MPH Escobar (LA Angels) – 84.8 MPH Paredes (Tampa) – 84.6 MPH |
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Post by themartian on Feb 2, 2024 20:41:22 GMT -5
Two, you still have to make strong throws on close plays from 2b, and that is all that gets counted by baseball savant. His strong throws averaged 75 MPH in 2023, ie the present. Gleyber has a weak arm no matter how you slice it. When was the last time a hitter beat the throw on a groundball to 2B? More specifically, when has a hitter beat the throw to 1B on a groundball to Gleyber? Weak arm?Matt Chapman (Toronto) – 89.2 MPH Garcia (Kansas City) – 87.8 MPH Gleyber (New York) -85.8 MPH (SS)Devers (Boston) – 84.8 MPH Escobar (LA Angels) – 84.8 MPH Paredes (Tampa) – 84.6 MPH Gleyber doesn't play SS, he hasn't since 2021. Welcome to 2024 Bob. Players change. And yeah, 2b never, ever have to make hard throws, either to 1b or 2b.  That's why Gleyber trailed almost all other 2b in 2023. Why are those other 2b here in the present able to throw so much harder? Why does Kim average 90 MPH? Why did Gunnar Henderson average 91.4? Why are so many 2b throwing so much harder than the 75 MPH Gleyber averaged at the same position? It's the same top 5% of their throws across the board, the measurement comes from the same situations. I will tell you why. Gleyber has a weak arm. |
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Post by azbob643 on Feb 2, 2024 20:46:29 GMT -5
Gleyber (New York) 85.8 MPH
Run along now...GianDonEtc.
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That's why Gleyber trailed almost all other 2b in 2023.