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Post by themartian on Feb 3, 2024 11:30:18 GMT -5
Repeating yourself is childish. "Why are those other 2b here in the present able to throw so much harder? Why does Kim average 90 MPH? Why did Gunnar Henderson average 91.4? Why are so many 2b throwing so much harder than the 75 MPH Gleyber averaged at the same position? It's the same top 5% of their throws across the board, the measurement comes from the same situations." Why are you afraid to answer Bob? Why do you keep posting the same numbers and scouting reports from years ago? The “numbers” posted of the last 3 Yankee 3Bs and the top 5 AL 3Bs are not from “years ago”, but from last season…’23. As had originally been stated, Gleyber’s 85.8 MPH is from ’21, the last year he played SS. Rating his throws from SS, when a strong throw is often needed, is much more comparable to 3B than throws from 2B, which you choose to use for obvious reasons. What “others” have averaged from the same position is irrelevant. Now…I’ve answered your questions (nope) You're not understanding the stat. It only looks at the top 5% of throws, so the sample of throws that is measured is always taken from when a strong throw is needed. It makes sense though that you're confused in this discussion when you don't have a good grasp of the measurement you're trying to argue. Lance Lynn was 3rd in the Cy voting in '21, maybe we should trade for him? Josh Donaldson put up an .827 OPS in '21, maybe we should re-sign him? Players change over time Bob, every baseball fan should know that. Gleyber has changed over time, what he did in '21 is not relevant to what he did in '23, what he'll do in '24 and '25 when you envision he and his weak arm will take over 3b. And no, you've evaded my central questions. Why Bob was Gleyber at the bottom of the heap in 2b in throwing in '23? Why are almost all of the other 2b ahead of him, many by quite a large margin (10-15+ MPH)? Answer that question Bob or I won't bother keeping this discussion going. Why did so many other 2b average over 85 MPH in '23? How did Kim average 90, Henderson average 91.4? How did Peraza average almost 89? Why was Gleyber so far behind them? They were all measured with the exact same criteria, the top 5% of their throws by velocity. |
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Post by azbob643 on Feb 3, 2024 11:46:23 GMT -5
The “numbers” posted of the last 3 Yankee 3Bs and the top 5 AL 3Bs are not from “years ago”, but from last season…’23. As had originally been stated, Gleyber’s 85.8 MPH is from ’21, the last year he played SS. Rating his throws from SS, when a strong throw is often needed, is much more comparable to 3B than throws from 2B, which you choose to use for obvious reasons. What “others” have averaged from the same position is irrelevant. Now…I’ve answered your questions (nope) You're not understanding the stat. It only looks at the top 5% of throws, so the sample of throws that is measured is always taken from when a strong throw is needed. It makes sense though that you're confused in this discussion when you don't have a good grasp of the measurement you're trying to argue. Lance Lynn was 3rd in the Cy voting in '21, maybe we should trade for him? Josh Donaldson put up an .827 OPS in '21, maybe we should re-sign him? Players change over time Bob, every baseball fan should know that. Gleyber has changed over time, what he did in '21 is not relevant to what he did in '23, what he'll do in '24 and '25 when you envision he and his weak arm will take over 3b. And no, you've evaded my central questions. Why Bob was Gleyber at the bottom of the heap in 2b in throwing in '23? Why are almost all of the other 2b ahead of him, many by quite a large margin (10-15+ MPH)? Answer that question Bob or I won't bother keeping this discussion going. Why did so many other 2b average over 85 MPH in '23? How did Kim average 90, Henderson average 91.4? How did Peraza average almost 89? Why was Gleyber so far behind them? They were all measured with the exact same criteria, the top 5% of their throws by velocity. LOL!!! You just can't help yourself...can you. PS - Pretty sure everyone here, including myself, understands how the stat is calculated, regardless of how often you claim we don't. |
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Post by themartian on Feb 3, 2024 11:51:44 GMT -5
You're not understanding the stat. It only looks at the top 5% of throws, so the sample of throws that is measured is always taken from when a strong throw is needed. It makes sense though that you're confused in this discussion when you don't have a good grasp of the measurement you're trying to argue. Lance Lynn was 3rd in the Cy voting in '21, maybe we should trade for him? Josh Donaldson put up an .827 OPS in '21, maybe we should re-sign him? Players change over time Bob, every baseball fan should know that. Gleyber has changed over time, what he did in '21 is not relevant to what he did in '23, what he'll do in '24 and '25 when you envision he and his weak arm will take over 3b. And no, you've evaded my central questions. Why Bob was Gleyber at the bottom of the heap in 2b in throwing in '23? Why are almost all of the other 2b ahead of him, many by quite a large margin (10-15+ MPH)? Answer that question Bob or I won't bother keeping this discussion going. Why did so many other 2b average over 85 MPH in '23? How did Kim average 90, Henderson average 91.4? How did Peraza average almost 89? Why was Gleyber so far behind them? They were all measured with the exact same criteria, the top 5% of their throws by velocity. LOL!!! You just can't help yourself...can you. PS - Pretty sure everyone here, including myself, understands how the stat is calculated, regardless of how often you claim we don't. And you are still evading the question. "LOL" is not an argument. Weak sauce. And no, I don't think you do understand it, or if you do you still argue in a way that disregards what it really is. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 3, 2024 11:53:06 GMT -5
I am still waiting for some proof that torres will be better at third after failing at ss end being mediocre at best at 2b.
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Post by azbob643 on Feb 3, 2024 11:54:59 GMT -5
I am still waiting for some proof that torres will be better at third after failing at ss end being mediocre at best at 2b. What type of "proof" are you waiting for? |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 3, 2024 11:58:57 GMT -5
I am still waiting for some proof that torres will be better at third after failing at ss end being mediocre at best at 2b. What type of "proof" are you waiting for? More than just one obscure arm strength stat from when torres was at ss or 2b . I mean people here are saying that torres will be good and/ or better at third . Shouldn't they have to back up their argument? |
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Post by azbob643 on Feb 3, 2024 12:02:14 GMT -5
What type of "proof" are you waiting for? More than just one obscure arm strength stat from when torres was at ss or 2b . I mean people here are saying that torres will be good and/ or better at third . Shouldn't they have to back up their argument? Well...what specifically would "prove" to you he can or can't play 3B? |
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Post by inger on Feb 3, 2024 12:03:16 GMT -5
I am still waiting for some proof that torres will be better at third after failing at ss end being mediocre at best at 2b. The only way to prove something that has never happened is to make it happen. The roots of all this bickering come from my desire to trade Torres. If he can’t moved via trade, then mitigate the damage he can do by moving him to a position that he won’t hurt the team as much. There were one or more people that were either in favor of it, or at least interested. Indicating you want to see “proof” it’s you in the yes column, no? 🤓 |
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Post by themartian on Feb 3, 2024 12:05:07 GMT -5
What type of "proof" are you waiting for? More than just one obscure arm strength stat from when torres was at ss or 2b . I mean people here are saying that torres will be good and/ or better at third . Shouldn't they have to back up their argument? A guy with no range and whose arm appears to have turned in to a wet noodle at the ripe old age of 26 doesn't sound like a good 3b candidate to me. A guy who seems to take mental vacations moving to the hot corner? What could go wrong? And this same guy's entire game tanked the last time he tried a position other than 2b - defense and hitting, he tanked 100% for 2 straight seasons when they tried him at SS. |
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Post by inger on Feb 3, 2024 12:05:28 GMT -5
What type of "proof" are you waiting for? More than just one obscure arm strength stat from when torres was at ss or 2b . I mean people here are saying that torres will be good and/ or better at third . Shouldn't they have to back up their argument? Not saying he’ll be good. Not saying he’ll be better. He’s a shitty fielder in my opinion. By far I’d rather move him. To another team… |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 3, 2024 12:08:26 GMT -5
I am still waiting for some proof that torres will be better at third after failing at ss end being mediocre at best at 2b. The only way to prove something that has never happened is to make it happen. The roots of all this bickering come from my desire to trade Torres. If he can’t moved via trade, then mitigate the damage he can do by moving him to a position that he won’t hurt the team as much. There were one or more people that were either in favor of it, or at least interested. Indicating you want to see “proof” it’s you in the yes column, no? 🤓 How can you seriously say torres will hurt them less at third base than at second ?! If that was really the case then why did they try torres in the of in the past instead of 3b? |
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Post by themartian on Feb 3, 2024 12:08:59 GMT -5
More than just one obscure arm strength stat from when torres was at ss or 2b . I mean people here are saying that torres will be good and/ or better at third . Shouldn't they have to back up their argument? Not saying he’ll be good. Not saying he’ll be better. He’s a shitty fielder in my opinion. By far I’d rather move him. To another team… I feel like they should just stick it out with him for '24, leave him at 2b. If one of the kids emerges then maybe look at dealing him. But for now, get his bat in to the lineup to lengthen it. After seeing what the Twins got for Polanco, I don't think Gleyber will bring back more than he'll be worth to the '24 team in a trade. And then if he's not traded, make him a QO after the season, let him walk, and get a comp pick for him. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 3, 2024 12:09:41 GMT -5
More than just one obscure arm strength stat from when torres was at ss or 2b . I mean people here are saying that torres will be good and/ or better at third . Shouldn't they have to back up their argument? A guy with no range and whose arm appears to have turned in to a wet noodle at the ripe old age of 26 doesn't sound like a good 3b candidate to me. A guy who seems to take mental vacations moving to the hot corner? What could go wrong? And this same guy's entire game tanked the last time he tried a position other than 2b - defense and hitting, he tanked 100% for 2 straight seasons when they tried him at SS. I agree with you . I am just asking people who support moving torres to third to back up their side of the argument |
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Post by azbob643 on Feb 3, 2024 12:10:50 GMT -5
I am still waiting for some proof that torres will be better at third after failing at ss end being mediocre at best at 2b. The only way to prove something that has never happened is to make it happen. The roots of all this bickering come from my desire to trade Torres. If he can’t moved via trade, then mitigate the damage he can do by moving him to a position that he won’t hurt the team as much. There were one or more people that were either in favor of it, or at least interested. Indicating you want to see “proof” it’s you in the yes column, no? 🤓 My position has nothing to do with your stated desire to trade Torres. I wasn't even here whenever you originally took that position. The Yanks need Gleyber's bat in the lineup...period. I don't really care if he stays at 2B. But the complaint is always about his defense at 2B, completely ignoring his offensive contribution. So, if that's the problem, then move him to 3B and put a better glove at 2B. I know this...once a player gets on a fan's sh-list, every miscue, no matter how slight or inconsequential is scrutinized, magnified and exaggerated. |
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Post by Max on Feb 3, 2024 12:12:22 GMT -5
Hi Chi, good morning. I meant to ask your opinion...Do you think that the WS are going to trade Cease before the season starts or maybe sometime during the 2024 season?
Good morning Max. I think they would trade Cease before the season starts only if someone comes close to meeting their extremely high demands. They won't short sell him like the Brewers just did with Burnes. Chicago needs to give their fans something to watch during the season.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I heard that the WSox were talking to the Mariners. Needless to say if Cease isn't going to get traded to the Yankees I rather he gets traded to the Mariners than the Orioles. |
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