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Post by azbob643 on Feb 3, 2024 12:12:56 GMT -5
How can you seriously say torres will hurt them less at third base than at second ?! If that was really the case then why did they try torres in the of last season instead of at third while donaldson was hurt ? How many times does that question have to be asked and answered before it sinks in for you? |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 3, 2024 12:15:36 GMT -5
The only way to prove something that has never happened is to make it happen. The roots of all this bickering come from my desire to trade Torres. If he can’t moved via trade, then mitigate the damage he can do by moving him to a position that he won’t hurt the team as much. There were one or more people that were either in favor of it, or at least interested. Indicating you want to see “proof” it’s you in the yes column, no? 🤓 My position has nothing to do with your stated desire to trade Torres. I wasn't even here whenever you originally took that position. The Yanks need Gleyber's bat in the lineup...period. I don't really care if he stays at 2B. But the complaint is always about his defense at 2B, completely ignoring his offensive contribution. So, if that's the problem, then move him to 3B and put a better glove at 2B. I know this...once a player gets on a fan's sh-list, every miscue, no matter how slight or inconsequential is scrutinized, magnified and exaggerated. But how are you improving the infield defense by moving him to third ? |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 3, 2024 12:16:40 GMT -5
How can you seriously say torres will hurt them less at third base than at second ?! If that was really the case then why did they try torres in the of last season instead of at third while donaldson was hurt ? How many times does that question have to be asked and answered before it sinks in for you? Where was it answered ? I only saw one stat used and it has been torn to shreds here |
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Post by inger on Feb 3, 2024 12:17:21 GMT -5
Not saying he’ll be good. Not saying he’ll be better. He’s a shitty fielder in my opinion. By far I’d rather move him. To another team… I feel like they should just stick it out with him for '24, leave him at 2b. If one of the kids emerges then maybe look at dealing him. But for now, get his bat in to the lineup to lengthen it. After seeing what the Twins got for Polanco, I don't think Gleyber will bring back more than he'll be worth to the '24 team in a trade. And then if he's not traded, make him a QO after the season, let him walk, and get a comp pick for him. I’ll acquiesce to this. He’s a mistake that has taken years in the making. For years the excuse was that he had potential, that he was young. Now he’s in his prime years. He’s here, gotta love him. As far as his offense tanking, for most of his MLB seasons he’s tended to hit much better in one half of the season or the other. He’s prone to long slumps and hot streaks. He’s prone to brain farts and trying to fancy up his plays to look better, which often back fires on him. He’s been enabled by allowing him to stay on the team in order to see this glorious blossoming that just hasn’t happened… |
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Post by azbob643 on Feb 3, 2024 12:18:48 GMT -5
My position has nothing to do with your stated desire to trade Torres. I wasn't even here whenever you originally took that position. The Yanks need Gleyber's bat in the lineup...period. I don't really care if he stays at 2B. But the complaint is always about his defense at 2B, completely ignoring his offensive contribution. So, if that's the problem, then move him to 3B and put a better glove at 2B. I know this...once a player gets on a fan's sh-list, every miscue, no matter how slight or inconsequential is scrutinized, magnified and exaggerated. But how are you improving the infield defense by moving him to third ? I see you have "GianDonEtc" disease. Maybe I'll check in with you when you're asking the same questions a month from now. |
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Post by azbob643 on Feb 3, 2024 12:21:17 GMT -5
He’s been enabled by allowing him to stay on the team in order to see this glorious blossoming that just hasn’t happened… .273/.347/.453/.800/25 HR |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 3, 2024 12:21:42 GMT -5
But how are you improving the infield defense by moving him to third ? I see you have "GianDonEtc" disease. Maybe I'll check in with you when you're asking the same questions a month from now. And i see yet again you are not answering a question . And the reason is because you have NOTHING to answer it with . |
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Post by Max on Feb 3, 2024 12:26:06 GMT -5
More than just one obscure arm strength stat from when torres was at ss or 2b . I mean people here are saying that torres will be good and/ or better at third . Shouldn't they have to back up their argument? Not saying he’ll be good. Not saying he’ll be better. He’s a shitty fielder in my opinion. By far I’d rather move him. To another team…
I don't support the idea of moving Torres to 3B, but I don't totally dismiss the idea of him moving to 3B based solely on his arm strength. I rather the Yankees re-sign him and leave him at 2B. But I think the Yankees will either trade him or let him walk after the 2024 season, get a draft pick and use his salary that comes off the Yankees payroll towards signing another player. Maybe Santander and or Burnes should Soto sign with another team?
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Post by azbob643 on Feb 3, 2024 12:31:50 GMT -5
I rather the Yankees re-sign him and leave him at 2B.
Fine with me... |
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Post by Max on Feb 3, 2024 12:39:18 GMT -5
I rather the Yankees re-sign him and leave him at 2B.
Fine with me... I know Bob, and I also know that you didn't say the Yankees will move Torres to 3B. You also didn't say that the Yankees won't trade Torres or let him walk after the 2024 season. |
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Post by azbob643 on Feb 3, 2024 12:56:27 GMT -5
I know Bob, and I also know that you didn't say the Yankees will move Torres to 3B. You also didn't say that the Yankees won't trade Torres. Reading comprehension seems to be an issue for some. Actually, what I've said several times is that Yanks should leave him at 2B this year and wait to make a decision as far as extending him till later in the year. If he regresses offensively they can make a decision what to do with him then. But those who want to argue acknowledge his trade value will diminish if he tanks, while simultaneously complaining Yanks will get nothing in return if he flourishes and goes FA. That's called CYA in my book. |
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Post by chiyankee on Feb 3, 2024 14:10:37 GMT -5
Good morning Max. I think they would trade Cease before the season starts only if someone comes close to meeting their extremely high demands. They won't short sell him like the Brewers just did with Burnes. Chicago needs to give their fans something to watch during the season.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I heard that the WSox were talking to the Mariners. Needless to say if Cease isn't going to get traded to the Yankees I rather he gets traded to the Mariners than the Orioles. I wouldn't mind the Yanks trading for Cease if the price was right. He's very talented and I think he's much better than what he showed last season. The price right now would be extreme. |
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Post by Max on Feb 3, 2024 15:58:38 GMT -5
I know Bob, and I also know that you didn't say the Yankees will move Torres to 3B. You also didn't say that the Yankees won't trade Torres. Reading comprehension seems to be an issue for some. Actually, what I've said several times is that Yanks should leave him at 2B this year and wait to make a decision as far as extending him till later in the year. If he regresses offensively they can make a decision what to do with him then. But those who want to argue acknowledge his trade value will diminish if he tanks, while simultaneously complaining Yanks will get nothing in return if he flourishes and goes FA. That's called CYA in my book. In my opinion, it's either a reading comprehension issue or purposely twisting things around in order to argue and or talk spit. I'm not speaking about anyone in particular, but if anyone thinks the shoe fits them, they can wear it. I won't lose sleep over it. If Torres' trade value diminished it's because he's in his walk year. Looks like the best time to trade him would have been for Lopez, but from what I read the Yankees and the Marlins couldn't agree to a trade. It takes 2 GM to tango. Torres has proven that he can play under the pressure it takes to play for the Yankees. The Pinstripes aren't too heavy for Torres. As we know, that's not the case for everyone that has played for the Yankees. |
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Post by Max on Feb 3, 2024 16:01:35 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I heard that the WSox were talking to the Mariners. Needless to say if Cease isn't going to get traded to the Yankees I rather he gets traded to the Mariners than the Orioles. I wouldn't mind the Yanks trading for Cease if the price was right. He's very talented and I think he's much better than what he showed last season. The price right now would be extreme. I haven't heard much lately about the Yankees trading for Cease. There has been some talk about the Yankees either signing Brazier or trading for the Brewers Devin Williams. |
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Post by azbob643 on Feb 3, 2024 16:16:02 GMT -5
Reading comprehension seems to be an issue for some. Actually, what I've said several times is that Yanks should leave him at 2B this year and wait to make a decision as far as extending him till later in the year. If he regresses offensively they can make a decision what to do with him then. But those who want to argue acknowledge his trade value will diminish if he tanks, while simultaneously complaining Yanks will get nothing in return if he flourishes and goes FA. That's called CYA in my book. In my opinion, it's either a reading comprehension issue or purposely twisting things around in order to argue and or talk spit. I'm not speaking about anyone in particular, but if anyone thinks the shoe fits them, they can wear it. I won't lose sleep over it. If Torres' trade value diminished it's because he's in his walk year. Looks like the best time to trade him would have been for Lopez, but from what I read the Yankees and the Marlins couldn't agree to a trade. It takes 2 GM to tango. Torres has proven that he can play under the pressure it takes to play for the Yankees. The Pinstripes aren't too heavy for Torres. As we know, that's not the case for everyone that has played for the Yankees. I'll name names..."themartian" (GianDonEtc") and "posadafan24" (?unknown at this time?). As we know from previous experience, "GianDonEtc" can and will go on for months, even years, doing exactly that. Seems "posadafan24" has the same proclivity. IMO, there's never been a good time to trade Gleyber, and now is definitely not the right time. Not because he's in his walk year, but because you don't trade a 27 yo proven offensive force, especially from a team as weak hitting as the Yanks have been. Lots of talk re pitching being suspect. That being the case, they're gonna need all the offensive firepower they can get. |
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