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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 30, 2024 18:46:56 GMT -5
I have uber-Cubs fan relatives in Chicago. They'd kill to get Gleyber back to play 3B. I’d settle for a move to 3B… but even the Cubs fans do t want him at 2nd base, huh?… Why would torres be any better at third than at second ? The guy isnt a third baseman . |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 30, 2024 18:48:14 GMT -5
I’d settle for a move to 3B… but even the Cubs fans do t want him at 2nd base, huh?… Why would torres be any better at third than at second ? The guy isnt a third baseman . How could you possibly know that? Oh wait...you can't. |
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Post by qimqam on Jan 30, 2024 19:04:33 GMT -5
2B...after Gleyber is moved to 3B.   You know my thoughts on that...Re-sign Torres and leave him at 2B.
I see that Durbin has experience playing 3B. In my opinion, if a player can play SS he can play 2B or 3B. He doesn't have the power of a typical 3Bman, but Volpe's and or Torres' power numbers can off set that. Just speculating here, but it should be interesting what the Yankees think of Durbin. Their thoughts might come down to if Peraza is going to be traded or not if they decide to re-sign Torres.
He'd probably be the 1st 5'6" 3rd baseman in MLB history |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 30, 2024 19:07:47 GMT -5
You know my thoughts on that...Re-sign Torres and leave him at 2B.
I see that Durbin has experience playing 3B. In my opinion, if a player can play SS he can play 2B or 3B. He doesn't have the power of a typical 3Bman, but Volpe's and or Torres' power numbers can off set that. Just speculating here, but it should be interesting what the Yankees think of Durbin. Their thoughts might come down to if Peraza is going to be traded or not if they decide to re-sign Torres.
He'd probably be the 1st 5'6" in MLB history Freddie Patek - 5'5" / 3X AS |
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Post by qimqam on Jan 30, 2024 19:08:21 GMT -5
He'd probably be the 1st 5'6" in MLB history Freddie Patek - 5'5" / 3X AS Sorry I ment 3rd baseman |
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Post by inger on Jan 30, 2024 20:03:45 GMT -5
I’d settle for a move to 3B… but even the Cubs fans do t want him at 2nd base, huh?… They've got Nico Hoerner there, with Nick Madrigal as a backup. Besides...you want some pop outta your 3B. Perhaps you and others have missed this....273/.347/.453/.800/25 HR I don’t keep track of other teams and players as well as I used to, but I do know Hoerner is a durned good hitter with an elite glove… |
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Post by inger on Jan 30, 2024 20:16:48 GMT -5
I’d settle for a move to 3B… but even the Cubs fans do t want him at 2nd base, huh?… Why would torres be any better at third than at second ? The guy isnt a third baseman . 2B handle ball more frequently. Less chances = less opportunity to do harm. That’s why people like Harmon Killebrew, Bob Horner, Butch Hobson, etc. have been “Hidden” at 3B through the years. Add in BJ Surhoff, Todd Zeile, and Joe Torre who migrated to 3B to save their bodies from catching. I’d say Johnny Bench, but he was truly horrendous at 3B. In any event, Gleyber appears to be much more talented and athletic than any of those guys, so I believe with his strong arm he could handle it. He might be a really good 3B. He proved to be a poor SS, I believe he’s a negative at 2B on part because he has too much time to think. The Yanks lose a lot of DP’s with Gleyber in the middle of the diamond… |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 30, 2024 22:05:10 GMT -5
Why would torres be any better at third than at second ? The guy isnt a third baseman . 2B handle ball more frequently. Less chances = less opportunity to do harm. That’s why people like Harmon Killebrew, Bob Horner, Butch Hobson, etc. have been “Hidden” at 3B through the years. Add in BJ Surhoff, Todd Zeile, and Joe Torre who migrated to 3B to save their bodies from catching. I’d say Johnny Bench, but he was truly horrendous at 3B. In any event, Gleyber appears to be much more talented and athletic than any of those guys, so I believe with his strong arm he could handle it. He might be a really good 3B. He proved to be a poor SS, I believe he’s a negative at 2B on part because he has too much time to think. The Yanks lose a lot of DP’s with Gleyber in the middle of the diamond… Sorry but i disagree . Playing at third requires better reflexes and more baseball smarts than 2b . Its a known fact that players move to the right side of the infield for less physically demanding positions like 2b and firstbase . Torres has little to no experience at third base and with his brainless miscues at second i just dont see how that translates very well at third . How can you expect better from a player if you move him to a different spot every year when players need routine and years at one position to master it ? |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 31, 2024 10:49:51 GMT -5
Playing at third requires better reflexes and more baseball smarts than 2b . Its a known fact that players move to the right side of the infield for less physically demanding positions like 2b and firstbase . How does 3B require “more baseball smarts” than 2B? What is it you believe makes 2B a “less physically demanding position” than 3B? As for players “moving to the right side of the IF”…virtually every ML 2B was originally a SS thru high school, college and probably into the minors, and moved to 2B by the time they got to ML or 3B later in their career. Don’t know of any 3Bs who eventually moved to the “less physically demanding position” of 2B early or later in their careers. Can you name a few? No position on a baseball field is “easy”…each has its own unique challenges. But 2B has far more responsibilities than 3B…turning the DP, covering the bag on steal attempts, covering 1B on bunts, taking the relay from OF to name a few. I have to wonder…have you ever actually played the game of baseball? |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 31, 2024 10:51:43 GMT -5
Torres has little to no experience at third base and with his brainless miscues at second i just dont see how that translates very well at third . Gleyber has been projected to play 3B since early in his pro career… Baseball Prospectus~~~“Torres has good instincts at short and he has the hands to play the position but limited foot speed hurts his range and might cause a need to move to third down the line where his plus arm-strength will still be an asset.” Plus arm strength with carry. Fanside Fox Sports~~~“With his frame able to handle more weight well and his hands being his best defensive tool, it could make sense for Torres to move to third at some point.” Plus- to plus-plus arm strength. 247 Sports~~~The arm strength is above average…more than enough to handle third base. NJ Advanced Media~~~“He's got plus arm strength.” |
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Post by qimqam on Jan 31, 2024 13:01:52 GMT -5
Torres has little to no experience at third base and with his brainless miscues at second i just dont see how that translates very well at third . Gleyber has been projected to play 3B since early in his pro career… Baseball Prospectus~~~“Torres has good instincts at short and he has the hands to play the position but limited foot speed hurts his range and might cause a need to move to third down the line where his plus arm-strength will still be an asset.” Plus arm strength with carry. Fanside Fox Sports~~~“With his frame able to handle more weight well and his hands being his best defensive tool, it could make sense for Torres to move to third at some point.” Plus- to plus-plus arm strength. 247 Sports~~~The arm strength is above average…more than enough to handle third base. NJ Advanced Media~~~“He's got plus arm strength.” Did I just hear a mic drop !?!?!? |
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Post by themartian on Jan 31, 2024 13:02:16 GMT -5
Torres has little to no experience at third base and with his brainless miscues at second i just dont see how that translates very well at third . Gleyber has been projected to play 3B since early in his pro career… Baseball Prospectus~~~“Torres has good instincts at short and he has the hands to play the position but limited foot speed hurts his range and might cause a need to move to third down the line where his plus arm-strength will still be an asset.” Plus arm strength with carry. Fanside Fox Sports~~~“With his frame able to handle more weight well and his hands being his best defensive tool, it could make sense for Torres to move to third at some point.” Plus- to plus-plus arm strength. 247 Sports~~~The arm strength is above average…more than enough to handle third base. NJ Advanced Media~~~“He's got plus arm strength.” To be fair, early in his career he was supposed to be a SS. For whatever reason(s), he's only shown he can handle 2b at the ML level. He's passable but not particularly good there. I would be pretty concerned as a GM if I was to extend him with the idea that I'd switch him to any new position without first seeing some proof on the field now that he could handle it there. If he got an extended audition at 3b this year for example and did well there then I could see him having a future there. But I'd be worried about paying him to play 3b without him proving he could do it first. DJ isn't exactly an iron horse at this point and if he were to go on the IL in 2024 then 3b opens up. Would the Yankees then move Gleyber over? They could have used Peraza last year at 2b and moved Gleyber to 3b at times, but so far they have never played him there. The guy they got from the Dodgers (Vivas) may also be in the majors in 2024 and he's mostly a 2b who isn't noted for having a strong arm. Would they try him at 2b and Gleyber at 3b if DJ was out? And/or if Rizzo has lingering problems and DJ becomes the starter at 1b? So far it seems they are averse to moving Gleyber off of 2b, but maybe 2024 could be different. But would they would risk rocking the boat as trying to learn and adjust to 3b could upset his offense. I don't know about trading him, especially now in light of the Polanco deal. Would Gleyber have more or less value than Polanco did? Polanco has a pretty reasonable team option for 2025 so you get 2 years of control there, so arguably he had more trade value. His return wasn't horrible, but it really boils down to a top 100 prospect who is at least 2-3 years away. If the Yankees had Polanco instead of Gleyber I would not have done that deal, they are too win-now focused to make a deal headlined by a young prospect. If that's what Polanco fetched then I feel like the return for Gleyber wouldn't be win-now enough either. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 31, 2024 13:33:27 GMT -5
To be fair, early in his career he was supposed to be a SS. For whatever reason(s), he's only shown he can handle 2b at the ML level. He's passable but not particularly good there. I would be pretty concerned as a GM if I was to extend him with the idea that I'd switch him to any new position without first seeing some proof on the field now that he could handle it there. If he got an extended audition at 3b this year for example and did well there then I could see him having a future there. But I'd be worried about paying him to play 3b without him proving he could do it first. DJ isn't exactly an iron horse at this point and if he were to go on the IL in 2024 then 3b opens up. Would the Yankees then move Gleyber over? They could have used Peraza last year at 2b and moved Gleyber to 3b at times, but so far they have never played him there. The guy they got from the Dodgers (Vivas) may also be in the majors in 2024 and he's mostly a 2b who isn't noted for having a strong arm. Would they try him at 2b and Gleyber at 3b if DJ was out? And/or if Rizzo has lingering problems and DJ becomes the starter at 1b? So far it seems they are averse to moving Gleyber off of 2b, but maybe 2024 could be different. But would they would risk rocking the boat as trying to learn and adjust to 3b could upset his offense. As I previously said, many players early in their careers were SS…no guarantees they’d stay there at the ML level. Gleyber’s “only shown he can handle 2b at the ML level” because he hasn’t played 3B at that level. I and many who are far more experienced at evaluating talent believe he can, as I previously posted. As for extending him now…it’d be incredibly unfair to him to ask him to move to 3B before extending him, as he’s in his walk year. He can be resigned/extended this year with the options of keeping him at 2B or moving him to 3B in ’25. There’s obviously no rush, need or seeming intent to replace him at 2B in ’24. He’d have plenty of time during the off-season to work at 3B, possibly play winter ball. 3B will be an open spot in ’25. If the Yanks intend on keeping Peraza he can be inserted at 2B, although his glove is wasted at either 2B/3B. Or they can use him as trade currency and either acquire an established 2B or move someone (Durbin?) from the system to play 2B. Bottom line…Gleyber’s offense is far too productive to let go. Since 3B will be open in ’25, makes perfect sense to move him there. Again, his stats….275/.347/.453/.800/25HR…exactly what you want from a 3B. |
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Post by themartian on Jan 31, 2024 13:56:13 GMT -5
To be fair, early in his career he was supposed to be a SS. For whatever reason(s), he's only shown he can handle 2b at the ML level. He's passable but not particularly good there. I would be pretty concerned as a GM if I was to extend him with the idea that I'd switch him to any new position without first seeing some proof on the field now that he could handle it there. If he got an extended audition at 3b this year for example and did well there then I could see him having a future there. But I'd be worried about paying him to play 3b without him proving he could do it first. DJ isn't exactly an iron horse at this point and if he were to go on the IL in 2024 then 3b opens up. Would the Yankees then move Gleyber over? They could have used Peraza last year at 2b and moved Gleyber to 3b at times, but so far they have never played him there. The guy they got from the Dodgers (Vivas) may also be in the majors in 2024 and he's mostly a 2b who isn't noted for having a strong arm. Would they try him at 2b and Gleyber at 3b if DJ was out? And/or if Rizzo has lingering problems and DJ becomes the starter at 1b? So far it seems they are averse to moving Gleyber off of 2b, but maybe 2024 could be different. But would they would risk rocking the boat as trying to learn and adjust to 3b could upset his offense. As I previously said, many players early in their careers were SS…no guarantees they’d stay there at the ML level. Gleyber’s “only shown he can handle 2b at the ML level” because he hasn’t played 3B at that level. I and many who are far more experienced at evaluating talent believe he can, as I previously posted. As for extending him now…it’d be incredibly unfair to him to ask him to move to 3B before extending him, as he’s in his walk year. He can be resigned/extended this year with the options of keeping him at 2B or moving him to 3B in ’25. There’s obviously no rush, need or seeming intent to replace him at 2B in ’24. He’d have plenty of time during the off-season to work at 3B, possibly play winter ball. 3B will be an open spot in ’25. If the Yanks intend on keeping Peraza he can be inserted at 2B, although his glove is wasted at either 2B/3B. Or they can use him as trade currency and either acquire an established 2B or move someone (Durbin?) from the system to play 2B. Bottom line…Gleyber’s offense is far too productive to let go. Since 3B will be open in ’25, makes perfect sense to move him there. Again, his stats….275/.347/.453/.800/25HR…exactly what you want from a 3B. They tried him at SS and had to put him back at 2b. They've never tried him at 3b, even with ample chances to last year. Instead they went with DJLM (who is a better 2b) and with Peraza at 3b. If they were considering Gleyber for 3b, why wouldn't they have tried him there last year? They had two other players who were better suited to play 2b and yet they used them to play 3b and kept Gleyber at 2b. The question isn't what some scout said about Gleyber before he hit the pros, but about what does the current Yankee brass think. I can't ever remember them stating that they've considered moving Gleyber to 3b (although please link it if they have, I just can't remember it). Also what happens to DJLM in 2025? If he's the starting 3b in 2024, where does he move to? Depending on how real his bounce back was in 2023, he may be able to also produce more than enough for a 3b offensively. And while I really doubt they'd be interested, I have seen articles saying the Yankees should take a look at Alex Bregman who will also be a FA after 2024. The Yanks will be faced with Soto's free agency as well. They may very well decide that his offense is what's truly impossible to replace and go all out to re-sign him. Then I am not sure how much money will be left over to bring back Gleyber. A lot will also depend on how Dominguez does and how Jones progresses in the minors, and how guys like Vivas and Peraza progress. I'd be surprised to see the Yankees re-sign both Soto and Torres. |
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Post by Max on Jan 31, 2024 14:01:00 GMT -5
To be fair, early in his career he was supposed to be a SS. For whatever reason(s), he's only shown he can handle 2b at the ML level. He's passable but not particularly good there. I would be pretty concerned as a GM if I was to extend him with the idea that I'd switch him to any new position without first seeing some proof on the field now that he could handle it there. If he got an extended audition at 3b this year for example and did well there then I could see him having a future there. But I'd be worried about paying him to play 3b without him proving he could do it first. DJ isn't exactly an iron horse at this point and if he were to go on the IL in 2024 then 3b opens up. Would the Yankees then move Gleyber over? They could have used Peraza last year at 2b and moved Gleyber to 3b at times, but so far they have never played him there. The guy they got from the Dodgers (Vivas) may also be in the majors in 2024 and he's mostly a 2b who isn't noted for having a strong arm. Would they try him at 2b and Gleyber at 3b if DJ was out? And/or if Rizzo has lingering problems and DJ becomes the starter at 1b? So far it seems they are averse to moving Gleyber off of 2b, but maybe 2024 could be different. But would they would risk rocking the boat as trying to learn and adjust to 3b could upset his offense. As I previously said, many players early in their careers were SS…no guarantees they’d stay there at the ML level. Gleyber’s “only shown he can handle 2b at the ML level” because he hasn’t played 3B at that level. I and many who are far more experienced at evaluating talent believe he can, as I previously posted. As for extending him now…it’d be incredibly unfair to him to ask him to move to 3B before extending him, as he’s in his walk year. He can be resigned/extended this year with the options of keeping him at 2B or moving him to 3B in ’25. There’s obviously no rush, need or seeming intent to replace him at 2B in ’24. He’d have plenty of time during the off-season to work at 3B, possibly play winter ball. 3B will be an open spot in ’25. If the Yanks intend on keeping Peraza he can be inserted at 2B, although his glove is wasted at either 2B/3B. Or they can use him as trade currency and either acquire an established 2B or move someone (Durbin?) from the system to play 2B. Bottom line…Gleyber’s offense is far too productive to let go. Since 3B will be open in ’25, makes perfect sense to move him there. Again, his stats…. 275/.347/.453/.800/25HR…exactly what you want from a 3B. Far be it for me to speak for all Yankee fans... If the Yankees had a 2Bman at Triple A that put up those stats to go along with a low strikeout rate, my guess would be that there would be many vociferous Yankees fans wanting the Yankees to promote that player. |
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You know my thoughts on that...Re-sign Torres and leave him at 2B. 
