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Post by azbob643 on Jan 31, 2024 14:10:17 GMT -5
They tried him at SS and had to put him back at 2b. They've never tried him at 3b, even with ample chances to last year. Instead they went with DJLM (who is a better 2b) and with Peraza at 3b. If they were considering Gleyber for 3b, why wouldn't they have tried him there last year? They had two other players who were better suited to play 2b and yet they used them to play 3b and kept Gleyber at 2b. The question isn't what some scout said about Gleyber before he hit the pros, but about what does the current Yankee brass think. I can't ever remember them stating that they've considered moving Gleyber to 3b (although please link it if they have, I just can't remember it). They didn’t “try him at SS”. As you've previously said, that was his original “natural” position. They had no need or reason to “try him” at 3B last year. And you don’t move an IF to an unfamiliar position mid-season during a pennant race, as you and others have previously said. It isn’t “what some scout said about Gleyber before he hit the pros”. Those evaluations, made by professionals (which you and others are not), including his manager at SWB, were made while he was in the minors. And since when are you so confident in what “the current Yankee brass think”? |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 31, 2024 14:14:45 GMT -5
Again, his stats…. 275/.347/.453/.800/25HR…exactly what you want from a 3B. Far be it for me to speak for all Yankee fans... If the Yankees had a 2Bman at Triple A that put up those stats to go along with a low strikeout rate, my guess would be that there would be many vociferous Yankees fans wanting the Yankees to promote that player. Oh yeah...a .14 K rate. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 31, 2024 14:19:27 GMT -5
To be fair, early in his career he was supposed to be a SS. For whatever reason(s), he's only shown he can handle 2b at the ML level. He's passable but not particularly good there. I would be pretty concerned as a GM if I was to extend him with the idea that I'd switch him to any new position without first seeing some proof on the field now that he could handle it there. If he got an extended audition at 3b this year for example and did well there then I could see him having a future there. But I'd be worried about paying him to play 3b without him proving he could do it first. DJ isn't exactly an iron horse at this point and if he were to go on the IL in 2024 then 3b opens up. Would the Yankees then move Gleyber over? They could have used Peraza last year at 2b and moved Gleyber to 3b at times, but so far they have never played him there. The guy they got from the Dodgers (Vivas) may also be in the majors in 2024 and he's mostly a 2b who isn't noted for having a strong arm. Would they try him at 2b and Gleyber at 3b if DJ was out? And/or if Rizzo has lingering problems and DJ becomes the starter at 1b? So far it seems they are averse to moving Gleyber off of 2b, but maybe 2024 could be different. But would they would risk rocking the boat as trying to learn and adjust to 3b could upset his offense. As I previously said, many players early in their careers were SS…no guarantees they’d stay there at the ML level. Gleyber’s “only shown he can handle 2b at the ML level” because he hasn’t played 3B at that level. I and many who are far more experienced at evaluating talent believe he can, as I previously posted. As for extending him now…it’d be incredibly unfair to him to ask him to move to 3B before extending him, as he’s in his walk year. He can be resigned/extended this year with the options of keeping him at 2B or moving him to 3B in ’25. There’s obviously no rush, need or seeming intent to replace him at 2B in ’24. He’d have plenty of time during the off-season to work at 3B, possibly play winter ball. 3B will be an open spot in ’25. If the Yanks intend on keeping Peraza he can be inserted at 2B, although his glove is wasted at either 2B/3B. Or they can use him as trade currency and either acquire an established 2B or move someone (Durbin?) from the system to play 2B. Bottom line…Gleyber’s offense is far too productive to let go. Since 3B will be open in ’25, makes perfect sense to move him there. Again, his stats….275/.347/.453/.800/25HR…exactly what you want from a 3B. Those are his stats with his bat . Just because he can hit doesnt mean he can play in a position he has never really played before . Moving him there makes absolutely no sense at all . The guy was terrible at ss , so why would he be any better at a more physically demanding position like 3b ? And no 3b wont be empty next year since dj will still be under contract . And atleast he has shown he is capable of playing at third base. Btw if the yankees fo thought like you then why are they checking out matt chapman? |
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Post by ypaterson on Jan 31, 2024 14:22:31 GMT -5
I spent hours discussing Gleyber Torres on the YES board. I could understand the Yankees trading him for a quality starting pitcher. I could understamd the Yankees signing him to a contract extension. What I can't understand is why the Yankees would force a position change. Why is Peraza at 2nd with Torres at 3rd a better option than Torres at 2nd and Peraza at 3rd ? Who is the rookie ?
I still think the $$$ on Torres will go to at least the Semien level unless he has an off year. That doesn't work for anyone. But I don't get the notion of a position change.
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 31, 2024 14:27:12 GMT -5
I spent hours discussing Gleyber Torres on the YES board. I could understand the Yankees trading him for a quality starting pitcher. I could understamd the Yankees signing him to a contract extension. What I can't understand is why the Yankees would force a position change. Why is Peraza at 2nd with Torres at 3rd a better option than Torres at 2nd and Peraza at 3rd ? Who is the rookie ? I still think the $$$ on Torres will go to at least the Semien level unless he has an off year. That doesn't work for anyone. But I don't get the notion of a position change. I dont get it either . I mean wouldnt it make more sense to move peraza to third while he is in the minors this year? |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 31, 2024 14:27:20 GMT -5
Those are his stats with his bat . Just because he can hit doesnt mean he can play in a position he has never really played before . Moving him there makes absolutely no sense at all . The guy was terrible at ss , so why would he be any better at a more physically demanding position like 3b ? And no 3b wont be empty next year since dj will still be under contract . And atleast he has shown he is capable of playing at third base. Btw if the yankees fo thought like you then why are they checking out matt chapman? "Those are his stats with his bat". Thanks, Captain Obvious. So now you're saying 3B is "a more physically demanding position" than SS. Please explain... DJ will be 37 next year. Probably play some 1B. Meanwhile, Gleyber will be 28. I'll ask again...have you ever actually played the game of baseball? |
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Post by inger on Jan 31, 2024 14:29:53 GMT -5
Playing at third requires better reflexes and more baseball smarts than 2b . Its a known fact that players move to the right side of the infield for less physically demanding positions like 2b and firstbase . How does 3B require “more baseball smarts” than 2B? What is it you believe makes 2B a “less physically demanding position” than 3B? As for players “moving to the right side of the IF”…virtually every ML 2B was originally a SS thru high school, college and probably into the minors, and moved to 2B by the time they got to ML or 3B later in their career. Don’t know of any 3Bs who eventually moved to the “less physically demanding position” of 2B early or later in their careers. Can you name a few? No position on a baseball field is “easy”…each has its own unique challenges. But 2B has far more responsibilities than 3B…turning the DP, covering the bag on steal attempts, covering 1B on bunts, taking the relay from OF to name a few. I have to wonder…have you ever actually played the game of baseball? DJLM is an example wd have placed right in front of us. Players done move to the right side. They move to the corners… |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 31, 2024 14:32:04 GMT -5
Why is Peraza at 2nd with Torres at 3rd a better option than Torres at 2nd and Peraza at 3rd ? Who is the rookie ? I still think the $$$ on Torres will go to at least the Semien level unless he has an off year. That doesn't work for anyone. But I don't get the notion of a position change. Simple...Gleyber is the better bat and Peraza is the better glove, which you want up the middle. |
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Post by themartian on Jan 31, 2024 14:32:27 GMT -5
They tried him at SS and had to put him back at 2b. They've never tried him at 3b, even with ample chances to last year. Instead they went with DJLM (who is a better 2b) and with Peraza at 3b. If they were considering Gleyber for 3b, why wouldn't they have tried him there last year? They had two other players who were better suited to play 2b and yet they used them to play 3b and kept Gleyber at 2b. The question isn't what some scout said about Gleyber before he hit the pros, but about what does the current Yankee brass think. I can't ever remember them stating that they've considered moving Gleyber to 3b (although please link it if they have, I just can't remember it). They didn’t “try him at SS”. As you've previously said, that was his original “natural” position. They had no need or reason to “try him” at 3B last year. And you don’t move an IF to an unfamiliar position mid-season during a pennant race, as you and others have previously said. It isn’t “what some scout said about Gleyber before he hit the pros”. Those evaluations, made by professionals (which you and others are not), including his manager at SWB, were made while he was in the minors. And since when are you so confident in what “the current Yankee brass think”? If that was his natural position, then it calls in to question all of the scouting reports about his fielding that came from years ago before he became a pro. It doesn't really hold much water if those scouts and/or managers said he could play 3b if they also said he was a natural SS. I don't believe I said it was his natural position either. He did play that more than 2b in the minors. It was his primary position there. But teams will do that with whoever is the best middle IF prospect at a particular level to try to see if they can develop them in to being passable at SS. It takes a more rare skill set to play SS than 2b, so they will shoot for the stars as it doesn't hurt much if they player doesn't field at SS well in the minors. The proof is really in the major league pudding, and that showed Torres wasn't a SS at all but rather a 2b. They fell out of the race and made very future-thinking types of moves later in the year. They waived Bader for example and brought up Dominguez and Pereira. At that point they could have shuffled the infielders around but they didn't. They could have had Torres play 3b in ST in 2023 but they didn't. And I am not claiming to know what Boone and Cashman and others are planning exactly, but I can't ever remember them mentioning that Gleyber would play 3b. Maybe I am wrong but I don't see anyone linking them ever having said they're considering it. The only evidence I do have to look at is where they've played him and where they haven't. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 31, 2024 14:33:04 GMT -5
Those are his stats with his bat . Just because he can hit doesnt mean he can play in a position he has never really played before . Moving him there makes absolutely no sense at all . The guy was terrible at ss , so why would he be any better at a more physically demanding position like 3b ? And no 3b wont be empty next year since dj will still be under contract . And atleast he has shown he is capable of playing at third base. Btw if the yankees fo thought like you then why are they checking out matt chapman? "Those are his stats with his bat". Thanks, Captain Obvious. So now you're saying 3B is "a more physically demanding position" than SS. Please explain... DJ will be 37 next year. Probably play some 1B. Meanwhile, Gleyber will be 28. I'll ask again...have you ever actually played the game of baseball? Yes i have genius and tell me. Since when has a guy who was poor at ss done better at third?! Since when is it a good idea to keep moving a guy around the infield like in a video game?! This isnt mlb the show where you can move guys around the inf with no prob . Torres has never played at third in the majors before . Tell me in what freaking universe is it possibly a good idea to move him there ?! Especially when you have s glutton of infielders in the minors thst you can move there this year?! |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 31, 2024 14:33:55 GMT -5
DJLM is an example wd have placed right in front of us. Players done move to the right side. They move to the corners… Of course. Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of the game knows that. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 31, 2024 14:36:26 GMT -5
DJLM is an example wd have placed right in front of us. Players done move to the right side. They move to the corners… Of course. Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of the game knows that. Dj is a actually very good glove unlike torres though . |
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Post by themartian on Jan 31, 2024 14:38:44 GMT -5
Why is Peraza at 2nd with Torres at 3rd a better option than Torres at 2nd and Peraza at 3rd ? Who is the rookie ? I still think the $$$ on Torres will go to at least the Semien level unless he has an off year. That doesn't work for anyone. But I don't get the notion of a position change. Simple...Gleyber is the better bat and Peraza is the better glove, which you want up the middle. And yet Peraza played 3b and Gleyber was kept at 2b. Why was that? |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 31, 2024 14:40:32 GMT -5
Simple...Gleyber is the better bat and Peraza is the better glove, which you want up the middle. And yet Peraza played 3b and Gleyber was kept at 2b. Why was that? I want to see the answer to that one too . |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 31, 2024 14:43:47 GMT -5
If that was his natural position, then it calls in to question all of the scouting reports about his fielding that came from years ago before he became a pro. It doesn't really hold much water if those scouts and/or managers said he could play 3b if they also said he was a natural SS. Like many IFs, Gleyber was signed as a SS. Now you, someone with absolutely no background or experience as a professional talent evaluator, are questioning the evaluations of those who are. You’re also claiming to absolutely know that Gleyber can’t play 3B. How do you arrive at that conclusion with no knowledge or evidence to support that claim? PS - You're not fooling anyone. |
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