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Post by inger on Jan 31, 2024 15:03:16 GMT -5
I like that this has spurred discussion but I hate to see it disintegrate into borderline name calling (again). All I really want is Torres off of 2B. I’d be fine if he’s traded off the team because he’s not a good 2B. In lieu of trading I suggested we might be able to keep him if he went to 3rd where his defense would be less of an issue, and his quick hands and strong arm might allow him to prosper.
It’s not like I proposed to play him on the moon. Players can and do change positions as their skill set erodes.
Jackie Robinson went from 1B-2B-OF-3B.
Paul Molitor did the 2B to 3B route. So did Pete Ross. Ripken from
SS-3B…
The needs of the team should be placed first before those of the player.
The end…
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 31, 2024 15:05:30 GMT -5
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black Man , you're even dumber than I thought. I've never questioned the evaluations of those who do it professionally..."genius". Didnt you say you wanted to move torres to third when so far those experts have shown no interest in doing that? |
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Post by themartian on Jan 31, 2024 15:05:33 GMT -5
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black Man , you're even dumber than I thought. I've never questioned the evaluations of those who do it professionally..."genius". I don't think you should be getting so personal, it's just baseball. But we have the hindsight advantage now over scouts from 2015/2016. Gleyber's not a SS. They were wrong if they said he was a SS. We're more "expert" than they were because now we've seen it literally play out. It's baseball history now, not scouting speculation. And scouts are wrong literally all the time. Many high draft picks turn in to busts. Diamonds appear in the rough all the time. You don't have to be an expert to know that even the experts can't always accurately predict this game. Edit - and OK I will shut up now  |
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Post by inger on Jan 31, 2024 15:06:03 GMT -5
Hasn't it already been established that you don't move an IF to an unfamiliar position during the season? Why didn't they let Gleyber play there in ST then? Why didn't they make a switch when they were out of contention? That's evidence they aren't thinking about moving him there. I've yet to see any evidence that would show they are planning it. I don’t recall anyone saying the Yankees were thinking about playing him there. It was a suggestion that I made based on his poor play at 2B. Could we keep the bat while reducing the effect of his inconsistent glove work? … |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 31, 2024 15:06:50 GMT -5
I like that this has spurred discussion but I hate to see it disintegrate into borderline name calling (again). All I really want is Torres off of 2B. I’d be fine if he’s traded off the team because he’s not a good 2B. In lieu of trading I suggested we might be able to keep him if he went to 3rd where his defense would be less of an issue, and his quick hands and strong arm might allow him to prosper. It’s not like I proposed to play him on the moon. Players can and do change positions as their skill set erodes. Jackie Robinson went from 1B-2B-OF-3B. Paul Molitor did the 2B to 3B route. So did Pete Ross. Ripken from SS-3B… The needs of the team should be placed first before those of the player. The end… You forget one thing , those guys you listed had good to great gloves . Torres doesnt have a good glove . |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 31, 2024 15:07:57 GMT -5
Hasn't it already been established that you don't move an IF to an unfamiliar position during the season? Why didn't they let Gleyber play there in ST then? Why didn't they make a switch when they were out of contention? That's evidence they aren't thinking about moving him there. I've yet to see any evidence that would show they are planning it. I'll try once more...see if this gets thru to you... They had no need for an additional 3B in '23, with DJ, Donaldson, IKF & Cabrera on the roster. And no one, including myself, has said there's "evidence" Yanks plan to move Gleyber to 3B. I've said, IMO, that is what they should do. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 31, 2024 15:08:14 GMT -5
Why didn't they let Gleyber play there in ST then? Why didn't they make a switch when they were out of contention? That's evidence they aren't thinking about moving him there. I've yet to see any evidence that would show they are planning it. I don’t recall anyone saying the Yankees were thinking about playing him there. It was a suggestion that I made based on his poor play at 2B. Could we keep the bat while reducing the effect of his inconsistent glove work? … But how does that happen when third is more physically demanding than second and torres never played at third before . You want proof that moving the guy around the fiekd to save his bat wasnt a good thing , look at andujar . |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 31, 2024 15:10:23 GMT -5
Didnt you say you wanted to move torres to third when so far those experts have shown no interest in doing that? I have no idea what you're referring to. When have "those experts...shown no interest in doing that?" |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 31, 2024 15:12:08 GMT -5
Man , you're even dumber than I thought. I've never questioned the evaluations of those who do it professionally..."genius". I don't think you should be getting so personal, it's just baseball. Couldn't care less what you think. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 31, 2024 15:12:09 GMT -5
Didnt you say you wanted to move torres to third when so far those experts have shown no interest in doing that? I have no idea what you're referring to. When have "those experts...shown no interest in doing that?" Well look at last year , they kept torres at second and moved perazs to third and also tried cabrera at third at one point too . That shows me that they had no interest in moving torres to third |
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Post by inger on Jan 31, 2024 15:12:11 GMT -5
I like that this has spurred discussion but I hate to see it disintegrate into borderline name calling (again). All I really want is Torres off of 2B. I’d be fine if he’s traded off the team because he’s not a good 2B. In lieu of trading I suggested we might be able to keep him if he went to 3rd where his defense would be less of an issue, and his quick hands and strong arm might allow him to prosper. It’s not like I proposed to play him on the moon. Players can and do change positions as their skill set erodes. Jackie Robinson went from 1B-2B-OF-3B. Paul Molitor did the 2B to 3B route. So did Pete Ross. Ripken from SS-3B… The needs of the team should be placed first before those of the player. The end… You forget one thing , those guys you listed had good to great gloves . Torres doesnt have a good glove . Molitor was a bit Gleyber-like in that he struggled to play 2B well. He went in to play a half decent 3B before injuries diminished his skill set to the point that he had to DH to stay healthy. I’m glad to see that you recognize the problem though. Torres doesn’t have a good glove, and that harms the team at his current position. It’s strange to me because he sometimes makes tremendous plays and then he’ll make a boneheaded gaff on what appears to be an easy play. I don’t think it’s his glove as much as his focus… |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 31, 2024 15:12:38 GMT -5
I don't think you should be getting so personal, it's just baseball. Couldn't care less what you think. And yet here you are getting personal |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 31, 2024 15:13:57 GMT -5
But how does that happen when third is more physically demanding than second and torres never played at third before . One more time...how is 3B "more physically demanding" than 2B? |
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Post by themartian on Jan 31, 2024 15:14:05 GMT -5
Why didn't they let Gleyber play there in ST then? Why didn't they make a switch when they were out of contention? That's evidence they aren't thinking about moving him there. I've yet to see any evidence that would show they are planning it. I don’t recall anyone saying the Yankees were thinking about playing him there. It was a suggestion that I made based on his poor play at 2B. Could we keep the bat while reducing the effect of his inconsistent glove work? … Yeah maybe. I would just be skeptical seeing how he imploded when they moved him to SS from 2b. I would actually be up for trying it, but it doesn't seem like the Yankees want to do it. Seems weird to me that they'd put Peraza there before Torres. I would be worried if they signed him to a pricey/long extension with the idea of him playing 3b unless he'd already shown he could handle it. I think Bob is saying old scouting reports and his AAA manager suggested he could one day move to 3b. That's from back in 2015/16 though. The current Yankee front office has never said they've considered moving him to 3b that I know of. When he struggled defensively at SS his bat also tanked, and maybe his troubles defensively spilled over mentally. It seems to me maybe the Yanks are afraid that might happen again and are just leaving him where his comfort zone is. OK really shutting up about this now... |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 31, 2024 15:14:54 GMT -5
You forget one thing , those guys you listed had good to great gloves . Torres doesnt have a good glove . Molitor was a bit Gleyber-like in that he struggled to play 2B well. He went in to play a half decent 3B before injuries diminished his skill set to the point that he had to DH to stay healthy. I’m glad to see that you recognize the problem though. Torres doesn’t have a good glove, and that harms the team at his current position. It’s strange to me because he sometimes makes tremendous plays and then he’ll make a boneheaded gaff on what appears to be an easy play. I don’t think it’s his glove as much as his focus… Correct me if i am wrong but wasnt one of torres’s problems at ss his ability to throw? Moving him to third would make him have to cover more of the field with his throwing ability |
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